turtlespeed 226 #51 May 11, 2004 QuotePersonally, I am against abortion. I would not have one. That's my CHOICE. However, I believe abortion should remain legal, because others have a right to choose differently. Being pro-choice isn't about encouraging people to have abortions. Its about making sure they have the choice available to them and can make an informed decision for themselves. I tend to agree with you. That is not the point I was making. Kerry can do no wrong, in your eyes, but the man has no true convictions of his own - We need a leader - we need someone that will stand up and say what he believes in and back it up with his actions. Haven't you had enough of the lies and half truths?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #52 May 11, 2004 Quote I really don't put much stock in what he did thirty years ago. what I (and most other voters) care about is what he's done recently, and what he'll do in the next four-eight years. And for the record, I don't give a damn about whether or not Bush showed up for guard duty. What matters to me is what he did as gov. of Texas, and what he's doing now in the White House. People change as years pass. I care about who they are NOW. That's really cool. I've always applied those rules when entering into a relationship with someone, and I imagine thats what most American voters are doing. It's who we are now that matters. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #53 May 11, 2004 Quote That's really cool. I've always applied those rules when entering into a relationship with someone, and I imagine thats what most American voters are doing. It's who we are now that matters. t That's all fine and good - Oh - one little tiny snag - he hasn't changed. He still is running away from the decisions he has made in the past, and will do most anything to acomplish the segregation between the truth and what he wants you to see.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #54 May 11, 2004 I'm not American, so Kerry probably doesn't want me to see anything, or doesn't care about what I do see. My answer also refered to Bush, and me not caring that he never turned up for guard duty. I still say - it's who we are now that matters. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #55 May 11, 2004 QuoteSo, lemme get this straight . . . If a guy follows an illegal order yeah, I think we can all agree that's bad, but you think that's worse than a guy that starts an illegitimate war -- a war under false pretense? You still have not shown that there was no credible threat of WMD's...And the simple thing is SH was not playing nice and ignoring the UN. So your "Illegitimate war" is still invalid as the first time you said it."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #56 May 11, 2004 QuoteKerry can do no wrong, in your eyes, but the man has no true convictions of his own - We need a leader - we need someone that will stand up and say what he believes in and back it up with his actions. You want someone who shares your ideals to back up those ideals with action. For those of us that don't share those ideals it's not very pleasant. Bush was supposed to be a "uniter not a divider". He's the exact opposite, and that's what you like about him. What we need is someone who understands that there is diversity and differences of opinions and idealogy in this country and doesn't move to restrict or force other people because there's don't agree with his. I'm not talking about fundamental morals. But for issues like abortion, gun control, etc. They're pretty much split 50-50 across the population. When it's that divided, we DO NOT need someone forcing their opinion on HALF the population. We need someone that understands that is the least restrictive in their policies to protect the American ideal of personal liberty and freedom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #57 May 11, 2004 They gave Lieberman a 29. Basically, if you trust the ratings on that site, the Republicans are far more "middle of the road" than Democrats. There are a lot more 1-20 Dems than there are 80-99 Reps. There are also a lot more 50s and 60s Reps than there are 40s and 50s Dems. Either the site is incapable of finding a solid 1-100 scale with a fair 50, or the Dems really are that radical/socialist/liberal. QuoteThe following ratings are based on calculations by the organization of economic, defense and foreign policy voting records. These percentages are calculated through a complex mathematical formula to determine how conservatively a member of Congress voted in relation to the rest of the House or Senate. What a bunch of crap. They didn't look atthe most important voting records to determine conservative vs liberal: how they voted about issues here at home unrelated to the economy. No wonder McCain ended up over the fifty mark. Look at any politician's answers. They all want to increase spending, they just don't agree on what. Two sides of the same coin anyone?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boudy 0 #58 May 11, 2004 The National Journal Conservative Composite Score is only 1 of 6 sub-categories under "National Journal". (it's just the page that google linked for my request) The hosting site is actually "Vote Smart.Org." It is a non-partisan clearing house for political information. It provides about 36 major categories/political issues from which to compare Congress members. (I previously quoted McCain's high "Conservative" rating from Interest groups such as Christian Coalition in earlier post. The mirror image of the Nat J. Conservative Composite - the Nat. J. Liberal Composite can be accessed through National Journal link below. The Liberal Composite is sharply skewed in reverse fashion. (it seems to me that Nat. J. defines "liberal" & "conservative" primarily along voting party lines; that may not be an accurate definition but these results refute the propagated image that McCain votes Democratic most the time) BTW, Liberal Composite rates Kerry at 97% I know you bother more than most to back your arguments with at least some research - so I think you might want to revisit the Vote Smart site & click around. Vote Smart uses biased special interest group ratings as well less blatantly biased (perhaps even objective) sources such as National Journal. Short of exhaustive independent research, the site provides you a fairly good portrait on how Congress members are rated across a broad spectrum of issues/viewpoints. McCain's rating all issues http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0061103 Gun Control Congressional Ratings http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=002975M Gun Owners Ratings http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=002966M National Journal Liberal Composite Scores http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=002939M Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
