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>The first is the standard that the Iraquis can brutally beat, abuse,
> torture and parade the dead bodies of soldiers around their streets,
> publicize it and it is all ok.
??? All is certainly not OK with that. Where did you see anyone claim it was?
>But as soon as the UN/US violates the Geneva Convention, Bush has
>to formally apologize to the low-life assholes.
I see this as a positive step. Once Bush can admit that the US was wrong, we may start getting some much-needed support back from the international community. After 9/11 nearly the whole world was behind us; since then we've alienated a lot of the world - and ironically it has been our allies (former and current) who have had the most impact in thinning Al Qaeda's numbers.
>Sorry to all you Bush supporters, but this should PROVE, beyond a
> shadow of a doubt, that this president (not capitalized for a reason)
> does not care about the lives of the American/UN soldiers in Iraq
> but only about the politics of the so-called 'war' and his oil.
That's ridiculous. I think Bush is going about several things in the wrong way, but there is no doubt in my mind that he cares a great deal about american lives being lost overseas. Oil was certainly one factor in the war, but it was far from the only factor. A much stronger factor leading to the war were the long-standing plans in the PNAC paper for political change in the Middle East, which was being pushed even during the Clinton administration.
> torture and parade the dead bodies of soldiers around their streets,
> publicize it and it is all ok.
??? All is certainly not OK with that. Where did you see anyone claim it was?
>But as soon as the UN/US violates the Geneva Convention, Bush has
>to formally apologize to the low-life assholes.
I see this as a positive step. Once Bush can admit that the US was wrong, we may start getting some much-needed support back from the international community. After 9/11 nearly the whole world was behind us; since then we've alienated a lot of the world - and ironically it has been our allies (former and current) who have had the most impact in thinning Al Qaeda's numbers.
>Sorry to all you Bush supporters, but this should PROVE, beyond a
> shadow of a doubt, that this president (not capitalized for a reason)
> does not care about the lives of the American/UN soldiers in Iraq
> but only about the politics of the so-called 'war' and his oil.
That's ridiculous. I think Bush is going about several things in the wrong way, but there is no doubt in my mind that he cares a great deal about american lives being lost overseas. Oil was certainly one factor in the war, but it was far from the only factor. A much stronger factor leading to the war were the long-standing plans in the PNAC paper for political change in the Middle East, which was being pushed even during the Clinton administration.
Quote>The first is the standard that the Iraquis can brutally beat, abuse,
> torture and parade the dead bodies of soldiers around their streets,
> publicize it and it is all ok.
??? All is certainly not OK with that. Where did you see anyone claim it was?
It wasn't OK? Then where what the demand for a formal apology? Where were the 'do-gooders' taking a stance saying "we apologize for brutally abusing the bodies of your fallen soldiers." Where were the US and Coalition Forces' supporters in Iraq saying "sorry for the actions of our bretheren." There were none, nor did we ask, request, or demand one.
Quote>Sorry to all you Bush supporters, but this should PROVE, beyond a
> shadow of a doubt, that this president (not capitalized for a reason)
> does not care about the lives of the American/UN soldiers in Iraq
> but only about the politics of the so-called 'war' and his oil.
That's ridiculous. I think Bush is going about several things in the wrong way, but there is no doubt in my mind that he cares a great deal about american lives being lost overseas.
Really? Why was he and his Conservative Media trying to put a halt to the names and recognition of the Troops that have died overseas? Why is he and his 'Republican' led military keeping tired, exhausted, burnt out soldiers over there for extended periods of time, telling them they are going home, then sending them back into the trenches? Why is he and his FCC so afraid of pictures of coffins being aired? And why is he still meeting with known Terrorist nation leaders? Why hasn't anything been done with Hussein yet? Sorry to say it, but his tenure is starting to mirror Lyndon Johnson.
I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.
- Voltaire
billvon 3,116
>It wasn't OK? Then where what the demand for a formal apology?
In which case? Prisoners taken by Hussein's government before the invasion last year? We killed most of those people; they can't apologize. Prisoners taken recently? They were taken hostage by small bands of thugs, thugs who (generally) ran away when confronted. And if they didn't, it would be a better idea to arrest them than to simply ask for an apology and then leave.
The only government in Iraq right now is the US-installed provisional authority. Should we ask them to apologize to us? They are us. It would be sort of silly.
>Really? Why was he and his Conservative Media trying to put a halt
> to the names and recognition of the Troops that have died
> overseas?
Because the media here is free to do whatever it wants even if it's stupid or disrespectful. I prefer a free press even when they are biased or disrespectful.
> Why is he and his 'Republican' led military keeping tired,
> exhausted, burnt out soldiers over there for extended periods of
> time, telling them they are going home, then sending them back
> into the trenches?
Because if we draw down the troop levels too much, more soldiers will die due to inadequate protection and support. Iraq will be a massive undertaking that will take years, thousands of lives and billions of dollars. The time to decide we didn't want to do it is before we invaded, not a year afterwards when the country is in shambles.
>Why is he and his FCC so afraid of pictures of coffins being aired?
Because there was a rule against showing coffins that dates back to the Clinton administration. Whether or not the rule is a good idea is a different story.
>And why is he still meeting with known Terrorist nation leaders? Why
> hasn't anything been done with Hussein yet?
Like what? Kill him? I hope they turn him over to the Iraqis once they set up a government and justice system and let them do whatever they want to him. They are the people he brutalized; they deserve to determine his fate.
In which case? Prisoners taken by Hussein's government before the invasion last year? We killed most of those people; they can't apologize. Prisoners taken recently? They were taken hostage by small bands of thugs, thugs who (generally) ran away when confronted. And if they didn't, it would be a better idea to arrest them than to simply ask for an apology and then leave.
The only government in Iraq right now is the US-installed provisional authority. Should we ask them to apologize to us? They are us. It would be sort of silly.
>Really? Why was he and his Conservative Media trying to put a halt
> to the names and recognition of the Troops that have died
> overseas?
Because the media here is free to do whatever it wants even if it's stupid or disrespectful. I prefer a free press even when they are biased or disrespectful.
> Why is he and his 'Republican' led military keeping tired,
> exhausted, burnt out soldiers over there for extended periods of
> time, telling them they are going home, then sending them back
> into the trenches?
Because if we draw down the troop levels too much, more soldiers will die due to inadequate protection and support. Iraq will be a massive undertaking that will take years, thousands of lives and billions of dollars. The time to decide we didn't want to do it is before we invaded, not a year afterwards when the country is in shambles.
>Why is he and his FCC so afraid of pictures of coffins being aired?
Because there was a rule against showing coffins that dates back to the Clinton administration. Whether or not the rule is a good idea is a different story.
>And why is he still meeting with known Terrorist nation leaders? Why
> hasn't anything been done with Hussein yet?
Like what? Kill him? I hope they turn him over to the Iraqis once they set up a government and justice system and let them do whatever they want to him. They are the people he brutalized; they deserve to determine his fate.
Sorry, got my Shiite crossed... edited for change.
I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it.
- Voltaire
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