nacmacfeegle 0 #26 May 7, 2004 "Everybody like having Jesus at a party" He did a neat buffet with fish sandwiches too.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #27 May 7, 2004 I think I want to nominate Deuce as dz.commer of the year. This nomination has included the right to continue to post funny stuff in Speaker's Corner. OK, right might not be the word -- my sincerest wishes... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #28 May 7, 2004 Yes, as a matter of fact I'd say he does. Unfortunately for those seeking to rationalize their anti-death penalty position on such, they must also acknowledge Jesus' declaration about the Chair of Peter's authority....and also must acknowledge the death penalty levied against Sapphira and Ananias. Their argument does not hold up against Scripture, much less against analysis. I think that a personal vengeance vs governmental justice argument in favor the death penalty ignores nothing from Scripture and is the reason the current Catechism does not forbid the death penalty outright. WDYT? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #29 May 8, 2004 QuoteYes, as a matter of fact I'd say he does. Unfortunately for those seeking to rationalize their anti-death penalty position on such, they must also acknowledge Jesus' declaration about the Chair of Peter's authority....and also must acknowledge the death penalty levied against Sapphira and Ananias. Their argument does not hold up against Scripture, much less against analysis. I think that a personal vengeance vs governmental justice argument in favor the death penalty ignores nothing from Scripture and is the reason the current Catechism does not forbid the death penalty outright. WDYT? According to my Bible, Ananias and Sapphira dropped dead, they weren't executed by Peter.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #30 May 9, 2004 And WHY did they drop dead? For offenses against the community. Also from the New Testament we have Romans 13:1-4 and 6:23 showing St. Paul's position on government justice. Interesting. By taking a justice vice personal vengeance position, no facet of Scripture need be ignored. Aquinas and St Augustine (in City of God) both conclude the death penalty to be tolerable by Christian standards, with St. Augustine actually taking my position with regards to the difference between personal vengeance and capital punishment by a state. Cardinal Avery Dulles wrote an excellent piece on the subject a couple of years back - good reading. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #31 May 9, 2004 if they just dropped dead, however, doesn't that mean that God smited them, rather than MAN executing them? How does that favor the death penalty? It seems as though it would encourage people to defer to God's judgement in such matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #32 May 10, 2004 Perhaps...if the incident itself were the lone leg supporting my argument...and if Acts 5:9-10 didn't seem to indicate Peter as the one executing Sapphira (if not executing himself then at the very least timing it)... Good point though. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #33 May 10, 2004 Quotedoesn't that mean that God smited them I think the proper usage is "smote". I just love the whole "smiting" thing. I suspected recently that Guy Wright wasn't going to "Axe" me from the Sequential Record, but "Smite" me from it. "You keep dragging your ass down to the base, JP, and I will smite you from this attempt". "Where's JP" "I smote him" "JP? What happened?" "I was smitten" Smiting is cool. I want to see much more usage of the whole smitage thing. "I jumped from the Herc and the frigging prop blast smote the hell out of me!" More stuff like that, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,608 #34 May 10, 2004 Quote"I jumped from the Herc and the frigging prop blast smote the hell out of me!" And if I ever get to jump a herc I suspect that I will be smitten by it as well.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #35 May 10, 2004 QuotePerhaps...if the incident itself were the lone leg supporting my argument...and if Acts 5:9-10 didn't seem to indicate Peter as the one executing Sapphira (if not executing himself then at the very least timing it)... Good point though. The Ananias/Sapphira argument is feeble. How about Matthew 5 - 7... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #36 May 10, 2004 Feeble? I think not, even by itself, but think that if it makes you feel better. You've poked no hole in either my own argument or Catholic catechism. When incorporated into my own argument, which holds that personal vengeance is against the teachings of Christ but that the death penalty as carried out by a government is perfectly legitimate, the Ananias/Sapphira argument fits in quite nicely. There are several verses in Matthew 5-7 that show the personal vengeance facet of my argument - to which one were you referring? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
