Canada: Gun Registration Failure

[JohnRich 4]

In the news:

Canada's gun registry does not work, according to Dr. Gary Mauser, a Simon Fraser University professor.

"We have spent $2 billion on licensing and registering guns in Canada and it has not decreased violent crime and suicide," Mauser said.

He has authored a study: The Failed Experiment, Gun Control and Public Safety in Canada...

Mauser said his study found that the approach to gun control in the United States - greater firearms access and stiffer penalties for criminals - works better than the Canadian model.

He said the gun registry is a waste of money and is destroying tradition.

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I wonder how many more policemen they could have hired with that same $2 billion, in order to actually catch and arrest true criminals?

[DrunkMonkey 0]

$2 Billion CDN--what is that, like eighty bucks US?

[Gawain 0]

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$2 Billion CDN--what is that, like eighty bucks US?

Only $79.99...!!

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[JohnRich 4]

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$2 Billion CDN--what is that, like eighty bucks US?

$1.5 billion U.S. dollars.

Let's see, if it costs $150,000 per year to pay and support a police officer, then that same $1.5 billion could have been used to put another 10,000 police officers on the street.

Which would be more effective at reducing crime:

1) Making a list of guns owned by law-abiding citizens, or;
2) Putting 10,000 more police officers on the streets to deter and
catch bad guys?

Gosh, that's a tough call...

[Kennedy 0]

but they promised it would only cost a few million, and it would pay for itself, and eden would come back to earth, and

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[christelsabine 1]

...and

perhaps should have handed over this amount as a gift to the US to help them employing more policemen? obviously needed ?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Canada's gun registry does not work, according to Dr. Gary Mauser, a Simon Fraser University professor.

I don't think you will find anybody in Canada who is happy with the gun registry, for all different reasons from people on all sides of the gun ownership debate.

[JohnRich 4]

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I don't think you will find anybody in Canada who is happy with the gun registry, for all different reasons from people on all sides of the gun ownership debate.

So are the legislators going to have the guts to abandon it and admit it is a failure? Or will they continue throwing more good money down the drain to prop up their vain beliefs about gun control?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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So are the legislators going to have the guts to abandon it and admit it is a failure? Or will they continue throwing more good money down the drain to prop up their vain beliefs about gun control?

It is not their vain beliefs I have a problem with. It is the complete and utter mis-management of the process that I have some issues with.

Just like the US and most other countries, it is unlikely a politician will admit he/she made a mistake.

[juanesky 0]

Nope, we are currently exporting that to aid Germany deal with the skin heads.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[christelsabine 1]

These few skin heads ! They hold their meeting one time per year and are happy with that.

It's quite easy to keep them under control with our police forces and our EUROs.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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These few skin heads ! They hold their meeting one time per year and are happy with that.

It's quite easy to keep them under control with our police forces and our EUROs.

You know, every time I read something about this in the newspaper, it's usually about some skinhead neonazis hurting or killing someone and the story usually states that neonaziism is on the increase in both Germany and France. I find it sort of laughable that Germans are to be so ill-trusted to not go off the deep end again that they must outlaw thought and philosophy in order to protect against it. By that I mean laws that will actually put you in prison if you "deny the holocaust," or hold meetings that purport to be a nazi party gathering. We don't have outlawed political parties in the United States. We deal with unpopular ideas out in the open, as opposed to trying to keep them swept under the rug.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[christelsabine 1]

Hi,
you mix it up a little bit, right?
Topic was failed gun registration in Canada.

To keep it short, I'll reply:
This thread hasnothing to do with increasing neo-naziism, nothing with holocaust and nothing with gathering parties of skin heads! Please, just note that not every skin head has to be considered as a "Nazi". Their (the "Nazi"-skind heads) gatherings are well observed, believe me.

Funny: You in the US "deal.... open"?? What does it mean "open"? The way your president is "open" with his informations? Open in presenting .... ?

OK, back to topics.

Gun registration is a good idea. We have it here in Germany and it works well. There is only a smaller number of licensed hunters, members of shooting clubs, owning guns. Purchase of guns is strictly controlled and really not easy. So, we do not have to deal with many gun crimes.

I do hope, these strict regulations/registrations will never be changed.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[PhillyKev 0]

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You know, every time I read something about this in the newspaper, it's usually about some skinhead neonazis hurting or killing someone and the story usually states that neonaziism is on the increase in both Germany and France.

As usual, sensationalism sells. just because it's in the newspaper a lot is not a fair representation of how widespread it is.

Was talking to a guy from Australia the other day. He said growing up that they though EVERY American baseball game resulted in a bench clearing brawl. Because that's the only footage they ever say on the news over there.

[JohnRich 4]

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Gun registration is a good idea. We have it here in Germany and it works well. Purchase of guns is strictly controlled and really not easy. So, we do not have to deal with many gun crimes.

I do hope, these strict regulations/registrations will never be changed.

There are countries with few gun controls and few gun murders.
There are countries with few legal guns and lots of gun murders.
There are countries with lots of legal guns and few gun murders.
There are countries with lots of legal guns and lots of gun murders.

And yet you conclude that strict gun control is the determining factor in having few gun crimes?

[jakee 1,608]

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We don't have outlawed political parties in the United States. We deal with unpopular ideas out in the open, as opposed to trying to keep them swept under the rug.

McCarthy.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[JohnRich 4]

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We don't have outlawed political parties in the United States. We deal with unpopular ideas out in the open, as opposed to trying to keep them swept under the rug.

McCarthy.

Are you sure you want to bring up past history, in comparing Germany and the U.S.?

[PhillyKev 0]

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Are you sure you want to bring up past history, in comparing Germany and the U.S.?

Huh? What does McCarthy have to do with Germany?

[Kennedy 0]

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Are you sure you want to bring up past history, in comparing Germany and the U.S.?

Huh? What does McCarthy have to do with Germany?

He was asking if you want to bring up a country's past mistakes for comparison.

US - McCarthy, who was an egomaniac and problably slightly insane...
versus

Germany - well, you get the idea


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I think what he's saying is that we should concentrate on the here and now. I agree.

ps - McCarthy was right, the CIA was completely inundated with "reds," and certain memebers of congress filled their staff with them as well.

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[christelsabine 1]

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There are countries with few gun controls and few gun murders.
There are countries with few legal guns and lots of gun murders.
There are countries with lots of legal guns and few gun murders.
There are countries with lots of legal guns and lots of gun murders

I am talking about our strict gun control and its regulations. It's working fine here in Germany and that's exactly what I wanted to say.

No need to amend anything. It's in fact my conclusion that rigid gun control is main factor for the low gun crime rate we have. On that I hold firm on my convictions.

Our/your gun prescriptions must not necessarily match to your/my country.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[juanesky 0]

Yep they gave that control to the skin heads....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Gun registration is a good idea. We have it here in Germany and it works well. There is only a smaller number of licensed hunters, members of shooting clubs, owning guns. Purchase of guns is strictly controlled and really not easy. So, we do not have to deal with many gun crimes.

I do hope, these strict regulations/registrations will never be changed.

So glad to see that Germans still support gun registration, so many decades after those very laws were used to make Jews defenseless against the Nazi regime.

If gun registration works so well over there, why did you have that kid shoot KILL 13 teachers and 2 students back in 2002? Here's a link to the story:

School shooting worse than Columbine in strict gun-control Germany -- how could this happen?!

Gun registration serves no purpose except for later gun confiscation. Period. You can argue the point with history, if you like, but history shows it is unequivocally true.

Here's a question for anyone who wishes to answer:
What is it about a registered gun that makes that gun unable to be used to kill someone in a criminal attack?

...I'll wait.

FROM THE ARTICLE IN THE LINK:

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The shooting came just hours before the German parliament approved a new bill tightening the country's already strict gun controls. (Full story)

Germany already has strict laws governing the right to a gun, but experts say the country is awash with illegal weapons smuggled into the country from eastern Europe and the Balkans.

People wanting to buy a hunting rifle must undergo checks that can last a year, while those wanting a gun for sport must be a member of a club and obtain a license from the police.

Interior Minister Otto Schily said there was not much to be happy about on this day, but that he was glad the new tougher gun control legislation passed "with a broad majority in parliament."

"The aim of law is to strengthen and to sharpen the (existing) laws," Schily said, but added the danger was from illegal weapons, not legal ones.

Glad why? Because gun laws that he admits don't do the trick were made "tougher"? How will tougher gun laws that still target only LEGAL guns help stop gun crime in the future? The experts have said that Germany is already "AWASH with illegal weapons."

The doublethink of gun control supporters is truly staggering.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[christelsabine 1]

1 - Poorly to notice that the our past still is an argument in present times. Deal with your own past.

2 - The sad story of school boy killing so many others is one of the very rare gun crime cases.
Perhaps, this boy saw too many old Schwarzenegger movies?

3 - Gun laws cannot be strict enough. Our law.
Watch you own and see the results.

@ Juanesky, post No. 21:
Your one-liner simply is nonsens and shows a frightening lack of knowlege.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Did you even read that article I linked to?

In Germany (Europe in general, even the U.K. island!) you have a major problem with weapons flowing all over the place on the black market thanks to the fall of the soviet union. Did you read that there are estimated 10 million legal guns in Germany, TWICE that in ILLEGAL guns, and only 80-some million people?!

You say that gun laws cannot be strict enough -- but fail to realize that gun laws control only those inclined to obey law in the first place. How have your strict gun laws prevented over 20,000,000 illegal guns to abound in your country?

And I point AGAIN to that mass murder in the school, because although it may be a rarity (so is a killing of more than fifteen people here, too) it happened in a country whose laws, you claim, keep gun violence at bay. How do you reconcile the occurrence of a heinous murder using guns with your claim that your gun laws are working well?

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[juanesky 0]

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1 - Poorly to notice that the our past still is an argument in present times. Deal with your own past.

We deal with the past here too, constantly, from families, monuments, holidays, books, and many other things of those who made the great sacrifice in wars, but in 2 major wars, both of them somehow managed to have your country as one of the instigators.

I have gone to Pearl Harbor 3 times, and every single time, I have seen the bullet holes from 62 years ago that reminds me of the cowardice of Japanese government on not declaring war, and us not being fully prepared for it.

Poorly blind, the Germans now are bent in hiding certain facts about the holocaust in todays'schools. They are currently denying it and the surge in the skinheads and hatred towards anything non-aryan is a real threat rising back. That is a history that should never be forgotten and stopped right on the spot.

But back on track, the gun registration is a failure, in Canada as well as many other countries, including yours.

As for the rise of neo nazis, it is a real threat and has been a close call personally for me while visiting your "great" country.

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2 - The sad story of school boy killing so many others is one of the very rare gun crime cases.
Perhaps, this boy saw too many old Schwarzenegger movies?

So you fault his education on the movies he watched? oh boy...

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3 - Gun laws cannot be strict enough. Our law.
Watch you own and see the results.