School Zero Weapon Tolerance

[kallend 2,146]

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Should the kid be punished for Mom's screw up? Yes. Zero tolerance means Zero tolerance.

So you approve of zero tolerance policies, which treat every offense, regardless of type of weapon, circumstances, or motives, as if they were actual attempts to harm others.

Wonderful. Big Brother has some job openings for you.

You totally misrepresented his answer. Saying that the law should be followed is quite different from saying that you approve of the law.

Been taking spin lessons from Ann Coulter?

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[kallend 2,146]

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The taking over of our educational systems by the left is the smartest move they ever made.

Well, if the right devoted a bit more time and effort to education, they could take over instead.

Doesn't alter the fact that school boards elected by the voters in local communities put these policies in place. Don't like school policies? Vote the bums out.

This is in fact the recent change - the Christian Right has found it can get a voice much greater than its true size by focusing attention on the local school boards.

How many of us really track issues lower than the level of city mayor? Or have any idea if they should reelect a judge? You don't have to garner that many people to grab control at the school board.

I see zero weapons tolerance as the perfect melding of leftists and religious nuts. They can also work well together to excise from books the mention of historical and scientific facts they don't like.

Interesting idea, but I'm not sure I can think of any instance where the "left" has tried to impose anti-scientific policies. There are many instances where the right has done this.

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[kallend 2,146]

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Big Brother has some job openings for you.

...And they pay quite well! I know.

Do you work for Attorney General Ashcroft, then?

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[JohnRich 4]

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I'm not sure I can think of any instance where the "left" has tried to impose anti-scientific policies.

Think of environmental policies...

[kelpdiver 2]

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Interesting idea, but I'm not sure I can think of any instance where the "left" has tried to impose anti-scientific policies. There are many instances where the right has done this.

The "left" is more prone to revisionist history - ie, Whitey is bad, or nuking Japan was a racist act. The "right" is usually in a huff over Huck Finn or JD Salinger, or the notion that we share a history with the apes dating back more than 6000 years.

Both such zealots would prefer to decide for us what information is acceptable to see.

[kallend 2,146]

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I'm not sure I can think of any instance where the "left" has tried to impose anti-scientific policies.

Think of environmental policies...

To the best of my knowledge, the scientific establishment is more at odds with the right over environmental policies. See the editorial in this month's Scientific American, which lambasts Bush for his pseudo-science.

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(it did not say they were letting her graduate)

The implication was in the article "As an alternative to expulsion, Amanda will enter the district's Phoenix Alternative Program for the final three weeks of her senior year."

Oh, that's great. So she gets branded as someone who had to go to "alternative school," i.e. drug dealers, drug smokers, violent kids, and pregnant teens. Way to go. Even though we know she was NOT a problem kid of any kind. "Sorry, hon, we hate to do this, but our unyielding, nondiscretionary rule says we have to. You understand."

To hell with people who refuse to think.

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Her mother should have been more responsible with her weapon.

That said, I think the school overreacted, but it seems as though the situation has been resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

Fine, maybe her mother should have been more responsible with her "weapon."

But "resolved to everyone's satisfaction"??

I hardly think that the girl herself feels that there is some necessity for punishing her, or that she did something wrong in the first place. SHE knows that SHE did not actually "bring" a weapon to school. (Semantically yes, she "brought" it, but realistically, it "came with her.") SHE knows that SHE had no intent to use a weapon against anyone. So SHE knows that SHE is being punished merely to satisfy a wrongheaded policy.

Why would you leave her out of "resolved to everyone's satisfaction"? Seems her and her family's satisfaction are the only ones NOT being considered. The people who are satisfied are the ones who weren't gonna rest until she got punished in SOME way to show how toothy their "zero intelligence tolerance" policy is.

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It's real easy to see where folloing ideas of the Left requires no knowledge of scientific facts and/or studies.

Examples:
animal rights versus population control (hunting)

eco freaks versus conservationists

gun grabbers versus the right to self defense

Shall I continue?

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[kallend 2,146]

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It's real easy to see where folloing ideas of the Left requires no knowledge of scientific facts and/or studies.

Examples:
animal rights versus population control (hunting)

eco freaks versus conservationists

gun grabbers versus the right to self defense

Shall I continue?

You are confusing the perversion of science (Bush administration) with the use of valid scientific results to promote inappropriate policies (Ralph Nader).

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You draw a line there that may not exists. That's a judgment call. I could easily argue the reverse as true (whether or not I believe it), or I could say both sides are doing the same thing, choice A or B.

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[kallend 2,146]

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You draw a line there that may not exists. That's a judgment call. I could easily argue the reverse as true (whether or not I believe it), or I could say both sides are doing the same thing, choice A or B.

You might do that, but are you an active professional scientist? A long list of notable scientists has issued a statement condemning the Bush administration for misuse of science.

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[billvon 3,110]

>It's real easy to see where folloing ideas of the Left requires no
>knowledge of scientific facts and/or studies.

Actually I see the opposite.

Conservatives push silly ideas like hydrogen cars and "clean coal." Environmentalists push efficient cars, solar DHW and grid-tie on homes, alternative fuels - all things that work now.

Commercial fishermen decimate entire species of fish. Conservationists push for catch limits and seasonal restrictions.

Conservatives supress science that is inconvenient for them; instead they revise scientific reports to have the correct political spin. Scientists accept that sometimes science does not produce the results you desire.

Developers want everything zoned for maximum density housing, retail and commercial space. Environmentalists push for greenbelt rules, drainage areas and zoning laws.

Conservatives think that the solution to too much traffic is building more roads, which makes as much sense as dealing with obesity by buying a bigger belt. Environmentalists push for public transportation and better up-front city planning.

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You might do that, but are you an active professional scientist? A long list of notable scientists has issued a statement condemning the Bush administration for misuse of science.

And a long list of military men has said that Kerry is unfit to be President.

Now would you please take your Bush-bashing somewhere else? It is off-topic in this thread. Go start your own!

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>And a long list of military men has said that Kerry is unfit to be President.
>Now would you please take your Bush-bashing somewhere else?

Now that's a funny post!

[kallend 2,146]

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You might do that, but are you an active professional scientist? A long list of notable scientists has issued a statement condemning the Bush administration for misuse of science.

And a long list of military men has said that Kerry is unfit to be President.

Now would you please take your Bush-bashing somewhere else? It is off-topic in this thread. Go start your own!

I'll post here, thank you. The scientists who condemned Bush included many Nobel laureates and Medal of Science winners. Did the military men of whom you speak include many Medal of Honor winners and 4 star generals? If so, I'll consider the analogy reasonable.

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And a long list of military men has said that Kerry is unfit to be President.

Did the military men of whom you speak include many Medal of Honor winners and 4 star generals? If so, I'll consider the analogy reasonable.

I think that the men who served directly with him are a better judge of his character than some high-level REMF's. (rear echelon muth.. f.....s) Who knows you better: your own family, or your University President?

By the way, it's fun to watch your ever-shifting standards of proof, designed to match some things with your personal beliefs, and to discount other things which don't match your personal beliefs.

I suppose if I did find a MOH winner or a 4-star General that was opposed to Kerry, then your response would be: "Oh yeah, well I bet you can't find a former Secretary of Defense who says that!"

Now would you please take your Bush-bashing somewhere else? It is off-topic in this thread. Why do you prefer to hijack irrelevant threads with this material, instead of starting your own? Are you afraid you might have to defend your position if your name is associated with an idea?

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And a long list of military men has said that Kerry is unfit to be President.

Did the military men of whom you speak include many Medal of Honor winners and 4 star generals? If so, I'll consider the analogy reasonable.

By the way, it's fun to watch your ever-shifting standards of proof, designed to match some things with your personal beliefs, and to discount other things which don't match your personal beliefs.

It's called Kallend's scientific methods

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[kallend 2,146]

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And a long list of military men has said that Kerry is unfit to be President.

Did the military men of whom you speak include many Medal of Honor winners and 4 star generals? If so, I'll consider the analogy reasonable.

By the way, it's fun to watch your ever-shifting standards of proof, designed to match some things with your personal beliefs, and to discount other things which don't match your personal beliefs.

It's called Kallend's scientific methods

What are your scientific credentials? Or are you just sniping again?

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[Jimbo 0]

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What are your scientific credentials? Or are you just sniping again?

Professor, do you remember the old childhood saying "It takes one to know one"?

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[kallend 2,146]

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I just can't resist.

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What are your scientific credentials? Or are you just sniping again?

Professor, do you remember the old childhood saying "It takes one to know one"?

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I AM a scientist, and I don't recognize juanesky as one

Fact is, a group of the US's leading scientists has condemned the Bush administration's scientific distortions. If the anti-Kerry military group represents leading military opinion in the US, I might take them equally seriously. As it is, they just look like a bunch of disgruntled right wingers.

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If the anti-Kerry military group represents leading military opinion in the US, I might take them equally seriously. As it is, they just look like a bunch of disgruntled right wingers.

There it is again! See? This is another example of that selective filter you use to color your opinions and judgements.

First, you imply that only generals are properly fit to judge someone's character, disparaging everyone of lower rank.

And I haven't noticed you characterizing the two servicemen in Kerry's TV ads who support him, as "a couple of disgruntled left wingers". Tsk tsk.

Don't look now, but your bias is showing.

[kallend 2,146]

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If the anti-Kerry military group represents leading military opinion in the US, I might take them equally seriously. As it is, they just look like a bunch of disgruntled right wingers.

There it is again! See? This is another example of that selective filter you use to color your opinions and judgements.

First, you imply that only generals are properly fit to judge someone's character, disparaging everyone of lower rank.

And I haven't noticed you characterizing the two servicemen in Kerry's TV ads who support him, as "a couple of disgruntled left wingers". Tsk tsk.

Don't look now, but your bias is showing.

No - I am comparing the credentials of the scientists who criticize Bush with the credentials of the military folks who criticize Kerry, and observing that one group (the scientists) appears to be extraordinarily well qualified, whereas the other group is just average.

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No - I am comparing the credentials of the scientists who criticize Bush with the credentials of the military folks who criticize Kerry, and observing that one group (the scientists) appears to be extraordinarily well qualified, whereas the other group is just average.

Just average? Who do you suggest is better qualified to judge Kerry than those who he reported to?

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