Cheney's Airtime versus Kerry's Airtime on CNN

[Gawain 0]

CNN has been broadcasting Kerry's "rebuttal" speech at Westminster College for the past 30 minutes. Cheney spoke there four days ago, and the the president of the college decided to give Kerry a chance to rebut the political items within Cheney's speech.

How much airtime did Cheney get four days ago...anyone...anyone...Bueller...

Kerry is currently spouting something about the UN is the way to go with a resolution and that the US is alone in Iraq....blah blah blah...

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[PhillyKev 0]

Someone needs to balance out FOX fair and balanced reporting.

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Of the 56 partisan guests on Special Report between January and May, 50 were Republicans and six were Democrats -- a greater than 8 to 1 imbalance. In other words, 89 percent of guests with a party affiliation were Republicans.

On Special Report, 65 of the 92 guests (71 percent) were avowed conservatives--that is, conservatives outnumbered representatives of all other points of view, including non-political guests, by a factor of more than 2 to 1.
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Of Blitzer's 67 partisan guests, 38 were Republicans and 29 were Democrats -- a 57 percent to 43 percent split in favor of Republicans. Thirty-five out of 109 guests (32 percent) were avowed conservatives, with the remaining 68 percent divided up among the rest of the political spectrum, from center-right to left.

http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/sources.html

[Gawain 0]

You point does nothing to address the here-and-now of what I just witnessed, close to 45 minutes without interruption.

There are campaign rules about equal airtime for candidates. Does this not apply since Kerry isn't a "nominee" yet?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[billvon 3,131]

>Kerry is currently spouting something about the UN is the way to go with a resolution . . .

Something he's been saying for a while. Bush is finally seeing the light. Who knows? Perhaps within a few months Bush will have switched over to the rest of Kerry's plan, and some good will have come out of all this slamming of one another.

[PhillyKev 0]

Ok, then, how much airtime has Kerry's running mate gotten? If you want a comparison, how much airtime has Bush had compared to Kerry on CNN? I'll bet Bush has more.

And rules about equal airtime applies to equal access. In other words, if they allow one party to purchase advertising, they must allow the other as well. That was broken by CBS when they wouldn't air the MoveOn.org ads during the superbowl about Bush medicaire plan, but ran Bush's ads promoting his medicaire plan. But it has nothing to do with news coverage of public events.

[Kennedy 0]

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Ok, then, how much airtime has Kerry's running mate gotten? If you want a comparison, how much airtime has Bush had compared to Kerry on CNN? I'll bet Bush has more.

Does Kerry HAVE a running mate yet?

Do you think maybe the president gets more time because he IS the president right now? You know that whole running the country making news and whatnot, separate from the campaigns.

What has Kerry done in his official role? As far as I know, he made it back to DC for one whole day (to vote for the AWB, against gunshows, and against protecting legal commerce -amendments and the bill)

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And rules about equal airtime applies to equal access. In other words, if they allow one party to purchase advertising, they must allow the other as well. That was broken by CBS when they wouldn't air the MoveOn.org ads during the superbowl about Bush medicaire plan, but ran Bush's ads promoting his medicaire plan. But it has nothing to do with news coverage of public events.

(A) MoveOn.org is not a political party.
(B) They deemed the add offensive and inappropriate to the SuperBowl.
- maybe if Kerry had aired his own ads with a lower 'Stern value,' they would have been played.
(C) This is the same MoveOn.org attempting to dodge Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform laws by claiming the laws don't apply to them?

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[kallend 2,174]

Oh boo hoo hoo. It's so unfair!

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[PhillyKev 0]

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Does Kerry HAVE a running mate yet?

No, that's my point.

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Do you think maybe the president gets more time because he IS the president right now?

Yes, I'm sure he does. Again, that's my point.

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What has Kerry done in his official role?

I didn't know that the media was limited to covering topics that only center around people acting in an official role.

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(A) MoveOn.org is not a political party.

Neither is medicaire.

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(B) They deemed the add offensive and inappropriate to the SuperBowl.

Because it depicted children working? They deemed the message offensive to their political idealogies.

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(C) This is the same MoveOn.org attempting to dodge Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform laws by claiming the laws don't apply to them?

Didn't you just say they weren't a political party? Campaign finance laws DON'T apply to them. They don't endorse any candidates. They aren't dodging anything, they're following the law. Guess you don't deduct anything on your taxes since the law permits you to.

[PhillyKev 0]

Oh, and by the way. MoveOn.org was originally formed during the Clinton scandal in an effort to have Clinton censured for his actions. It's a political watch dog group, not a partisan one. They just heppen to be giving Bush a hard time now because to anyone independent, it's clear that he's responsibile for a lot of really wrong things.

All the hard core conservatives on here peg me as a radical democrat. The truth is, I almost voted for Bush. The only reason I didn't is because he started announcing his proposed cabinet members and I saw the radicals among them and feared what they would do to our freedoms and quality of life. Turns out I was right.

I'm now a devout Kerry supporter. Not because I'm a democrat, and not because I think Kerry is some kind of saint. I am because supporting him is the only way to get the religious extremists out of power.

[Kennedy 0]

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What has Kerry done in his official role?

I didn't know that the media was limited to covering topics that only center around people acting in an official role.

They are not limited in anything. They are the one group allowed to say anything they want and spend anything they want. They are only limited by the requirement to offer each party an equal amount of advertising space.

My point was that the only coverage he's getting is the campaign coverage because that's all he's doing. Bush on the other hand is the president, so he's dealing with a few hundred hot topics, and getting press because of it.

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And rules about equal airtime applies to equal access. In other words, if they allow one party to purchase advertising, they must allow the other as well. That was broken by CBS when they wouldn't air the MoveOn.org ads during the superbowl about Bush medicaire plan, but ran Bush's ads promoting his medicaire plan. But it has nothing to do with news coverage of public events.

(A) MoveOn.org is not a political party.

Neither is medicaire.

You made my point for me. Bush aired his ads concerning medicare. Kerry didn't. MoveOn.org wanted to air their ads, but they are not a party, so there is no equal access law for them. You said yourself they are a separate group.

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This is the same MoveOn.org attempting to dodge Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform laws by claiming the laws don't apply to them?

Didn't you just say they weren't a political party? Campaign finance laws DON'T apply to them. They don't endorse any candidates. They aren't dodging anything, they're following the law.

You're wrong on this point Kev. McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform is aimed largely at political parties, but have you forgotten the Supreme Court challenge filed by ACLU, NRA, and a hundred other civil rights groups?

By your logic, the NRA should be able to advertise whenever and however they please, They cannot. Neither can the ACLU. Both, and all others, are limited, and are completely gagged 30 before primaries and 60 days before a general election.

Why do you think MoveOn should be allowed to advertise anything they please while NRA and ACLU and everyone else is silenced?

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=801911#801911
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=802198#802198

If you want to look at who is trying to evade the law, look into anyone trying to claim "527s" are exempt. (hint: George Soros and all the anti Bush groups composed of democratic electioneers)

No one is allowed to run ads that even mention a candidate for office. You can't campaign for or against a candidate.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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My point was that the only coverage he's getting is the campaign coverage because that's all he's doing. Bush on the other hand is the president, so he's dealing with a few hundred hot topics, and getting press because of it.

And my point was that Kerry is not getting more airtime than Bush. Doesn't matter why Bush is getting the exposure, he's still getting it.

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You made my point for me. Bush aired his ads concerning medicare. Kerry didn't. MoveOn.org wanted to air their ads, but they are not a party, so there is no equal access law for them. You said yourself they are a separate group.

True, they're not a political part, they aren't guaranteed equal access. Didn't think that one through all the way.

However, Bush did not air his using campaign funds. He used taxpayer money with the claim that he was trying to garner support for a medicaire action that had already been passed...

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You're wrong on this point Kev. McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform is aimed largely at political parties, but have you forgotten the Supreme Court challenge filed by ACLU, NRA, and a hundred other civil rights groups?

I'm pretty sure the superbowl wasn't during any kind of blackout period. None of the other groups you mentioned were limited.

[juanesky 0]

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I'm now a devout Kerry supporter. Not because I'm a democrat, and not because I think Kerry is some kind of saint. I am because supporting him is the only way to get the religious extremists out of power.

But you can do the same, join the Navy, or Army. The age is up to 38.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[PhillyKev 0]

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But you can do the same, join the Navy, or Army. The age is up to 38.

I enlisted for 6 years at age 18 in 1990 to be a nuke. Would have been in Gulf War I. I was diagnosed with asthma during the physical. So, no, I can't.

[TheAnvil 0]

Pathetic. Fox is SO biased towards the right that they aired the entire Dim Presidential Primary debate during prime time. Granted, anyone with a three digit IQ hearing that debate realized that all participants were morons, but at least Fox aired it - unlike CNN's decision to air JC Watt's response to Clintons SOTU.

CNN's fair and balanced coverage of Senator Dodd's statements on the Senate floor is where, Philly?

Oh. I know. It's non-existent. Odd set of scales you have there. Perhaps you should BALANCE them.

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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(C) This is the same MoveOn.org attempting to dodge Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform laws by claiming the laws don't apply to them?

Didn't you just say they weren't a political party? Campaign finance laws DON'T apply to them. They don't endorse any candidates. They aren't dodging anything, they're following the law. Guess you don't deduct anything on your taxes since the law permits you to.

You need to bone up on your knowledge of just what this bullshit "campaign finance reform act" did. It's not a limiter on parties, it's a limiter on the contributions -- and free speech (advertisments within a certain number of days of an election) -- of political action groups.

Some say that it was specifically aimed to squelch the voice and influence of the National Rifle Association in particular, but it casts a wide net and snares other groups as well, notably AARP and ACLU, as well as NAACP. These groups are not allowed to directly identify a candidate or particular legislation by name in their ads within X days of an election.

Groups like Moveon.org claim cynically and dishonestly that they are exempt from the law. It's amusing that the law was so heavily pushed by democrats, and now groups that heavily push democrats don't want to be bound by it.
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[PhillyKev 0]

I understand that, but we haven't reached that blackout period yet. So, I'm still trying to figure out where moveon broke the law or did something no one else could do by trying to air commercials during the superbowl.