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Do you meet everyone at the door with a gun in your hand? Because if you're invaded by a gang of home invaders, it'd have to be on your holster most likely, and you'd have to be ready to shoot first and ask questions later.

Otherwise, it's as good as the gun at the gunshop.

And if you do, well, you must be a lot of fun to visit...:P

Wendy W.



The question was not asked of me personally, but I wish to respond.

How to answer a knock at the door is a very individual thing, and depends in large part on the circumstances. What hour of the day or night is it? What kind of residence is it (apartment, house, etc.)? Is the knock polite, or loud and insistent. Is there a way to easily see who is at the door? Is anyone expected, or is it odd for anyone to be showing up?

If you could read "The Armed Citizen," (Kennedy mentioned it) which is the page each month in NRA's magazine that culls actual newspaper articles about people successfully using firearms to defend against criminal attack, you would see that people do often succeed in using a handgun against home invaders. (Most of the stories are about home invasions. Some are about carrying legally and having to use the gun in self defense.) Some of the stories involve people who answered a door unarmed, got attacked by one or more people, and had to struggle to get to their gun, which they did, and ended the attack. In many of the stories, no shots are fired, and the attacker runs off. In some of those, he is later apprehended. In other stories, he is held at gunpoint for the police to take into custody. In still others, he is shot and wounded or killed. In some, the defender is also wounded, but often not as badly as he wounds his attacker.

I myself live on a relatively safe street that is just at the verge of a not-so-nice area, but my block is where the upscale part of the town begins. I also live in a cottage in the back, set from the street at the end of the driveway and back behind the pool. People would have to come out of their way to bring trouble here. It is not the kind of house that is a real target of opportunity. So I usually know if someone is coming over, and if someone unexpectedly shows up, I usually hear the gate clank first, and I can see from two windows or the peephole who is there. You can bet that if it is someone suspicious, I know enough to ask their intentions through the door, and if I'm not satisfied, he isn't coming in, I'm not going out, the police are getting called, and if the door gets pounded in, copper-jacketed lead is going to be flying at it.

Sometimes that's just the way it is. I'm actually a lot of fun to visit, once you get through my screening process. :P
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4-5 million illegal guns and about 60 million people.

One illegal gun for every tenth or twelfth citizen.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, if most of your criminals don't have guns, then 20% of your residents must be criminals.

Newsflash for you: when a government prohibits something, a black market springs up to fill the void. From drugs to guns to anything you can think of, it's available if you really want it.



Actually for the year April 2002 to March 2003 (I haven't found figures for 2003/2004 I'm afraid) there were 10,248 gun crimes - that is 0.41% of all crime in the uk.

I do know about black markets.....but if weapons are freely available then every Tom, Dick and Harry can have one and you have petty criminals carrying them. If they are only available on the black market however then fewer people carry them and it makes it more difficult for all but the most determined criminal to obtain one.

One more point - I'm not sure how many illegal weapons are available in the UK but I'll bet those that have them have more than one each which means your estimate of every tength or twelfth person is incorrect. In fact I don't know anyone who has one.

(I will concede however that my 99.9% figure was plucked out of the air - I meant highly likely rather than quoting an accurate figure - I think you knew that ;))

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Seems there is a cultural difference between those in the USA and the UK on this topic. Those in USA seem more ready to accept the use of weapons for whatever reason. (This is also evident in your dealings with Iraq - your military operate slightly differently to that of the Brits). I don't think we will ever agree on this particular topic...... put it down to cultural differences and remember that there isn't necessarily a right way and a wrong way, just different ways. Maybe I'd think differently if I had been brought up in USA and vice versa.

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For some of us, the idea of using our guns against anybody is just not there. Many of us use them for recreation...hunting, target shooting, pointin' em in the air and makin' noise while campin'...etc. Wouldn't you be a little pissed if the government came into your house and counted your soccer balls....er footballs?!;)
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I wish the "Armed Citizen" page from this magazine were posted online somewhere. I'd love to link you all to it so you could see just a sampling, and get the idea that this is in fact possible and does happen.



Your wish is my command. Below are not one, but two websites, chock full o' stories about armed citizens who have used guns in self defense, even in the scenario where it is here claimed they are useless.

The Armed Citizen

Operation Self Defense

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Your wish is my command. Below are not one, but two websites, chock full o' stories about armed citizens who have used guns in self defense, even in the scenario where it is here claimed they are useless.

The Armed Citizen

Operation Self Defense



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you do it with your hands; it's much more satisfying.



I know your response is supposed to be cute...whatever.

Actually, I can greatly defend myself with my hands. I'm not going to go into the entire and long story, but the short answer is, I've been trained very well. I don't need any sort of weapon, but I'd rather have a stick then nothing, a knife then a stick and a gun instead of a knife.

Sort of like, I *can* swoop a big PD-7 cell F111 canopy, but I'd rather have my Crossfire2. All around its just better for the job.
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For some of us, the idea of using our guns against anybody is just not there. Many of us use them for recreation...hunting, target shooting, pointin' em in the air and makin' noise while campin'...etc. Wouldn't you be a little pissed if the government came into your house and counted your soccer balls....er footballs?!;)



Balls of any description can't be used to kill people

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For some of us, the idea of using our guns against anybody is just not there. Many of us use them for recreation...hunting, target shooting, pointin' em in the air and makin' noise while campin'...etc. Wouldn't you be a little pissed if the government came into your house and counted your soccer balls....er footballs?!;)



Balls of any description can't be used to kill people



People have been killed due to being struck by baseballs, soccer balls, golf balls and cricket balls.
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Wouldn't you be a little pissed if the government came into your house and counted your soccer balls....er footballs?!;)



Balls of any description can't be used to kill people



Tell that to the guys who died in your last soccer riots.

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For some of us, the idea of using our guns against anybody is just not there. Many of us use them for recreation...hunting, target shooting, pointin' em in the air and makin' noise while campin'...etc. Wouldn't you be a little pissed if the government came into your house and counted your soccer balls....er footballs?!;)



Balls of any description can't be used to kill people



It's always fun to watch the anti-gun people "dance" to avoid answering a point.

Okay, let's make the example knives, instead of balls. Would you like to answer the question now? Would you want the police to come to your home, to search and inventory all the knives in your home?

Or are you going to dance around the issue again?

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