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Do you meet everyone at the door with a gun in your hand? Because if you're invaded by a gang of home invaders, it'd have to be on your holster most likely, and you'd have to be ready to shoot first and ask questions later.
Otherwise, it's as good as the gun at the gunshop.
And if you do, well, you must be a lot of fun to visit...
Wendy W.
Otherwise, it's as good as the gun at the gunshop.
And if you do, well, you must be a lot of fun to visit...
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
QuoteDo you meet everyone at the door with a gun in your hand? Because if you're invaded by a gang of home invaders, it'd have to be on your holster most likely, and you'd have to be ready to shoot first and ask questions later.
Nope, not holstered, but very easily retrieved from a short distance (atleast it is in my very small house).
So I guess you open the door to any knock (assuming they knocked and didn't break in) without checking out a window or peep hole first? You're kidding, right? I mean, it could be something worst then a Mexican Gang at your door...it could be some religious group trying to convert you and not leave you alone!
Ok, seriously, this goes back to the "someone in your house" thread we had a few months ago. If they're in my house, they're not supposed to be in my house (i.e. they don't live there), they're not there for good intentions. I obviously don't know if the intentions are to steal my TV or rape and kill my fiance, so they're going to get to leave in a body bag, plain and simple.
Of course if they're going out the window with my TV in their hands (its a small TV, afterall), then its theirs, they can have it, I have renters insurance for a reason.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
QuoteIf firearms are banned the average criminal (in fact 99.9% of criminals) won't have one, if firearms are allowed and therefore coomon as in USA then 99.9% of your criminals will have one - most criminals haven't got the money, time or intelligence to actually obtain an illegal firearm.
Heroin is banned. I guess that's why 99.9% of our heroin addicts don't have any of it.
Are you for real?! You really believe that gun bans mean that 99.9% of criminals can't get them? Did you miss where I said that the U.K. gov't. estimates 4-5 million guns ILLEGALLY in criminals' possession?
Can you provide ANY evidence to back up this RIDICULOUS claim of "99.9% of [American] criminals will have one"? Do you just like throwing around the cliche figure "99.9%" or something, even when it is hardly accurate in the least?
QuoteAnd yes I do believe if you keep yourself physically fit and train in self defence you can help protect yourself against an assailant.
Dude, that is just stupid. First of all, not everyone has the time, inclination, or even physical ability to "keep oneself physically fit and train in self defense." Does that mean that under your rules, those who can't or don't are not to be allowed to use the less physical means of self defense, i.e. a defensive handgun? The only way you're allowed to defend yourself is if you use brute force and martial arts? How about a karate master/mistress, who is now 78 years old with arthritis?
I tell you what, show me someone you consider to be really well trained in self defense, and I'll round up three well-built miscreants with knives and baseball bats, we'll have them stage a home-invasion robbery (becoming more and more common these days in your country) and we'll see how well your karate master does against them when they shove in his door and come at him. On the other hand, a defender with a gun could do very well for himself in that situation. And let's even say that they come barging in and they have guns too (since in countries where guns are legal, "99.9%" of criminals have them). If the homeowner starts shooting, there's a huge chance they'll turn tails and run away. Criminals don't want anything you have so bad that they want to get shot obtaining it. There are loads of actual examples of this.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
QuoteI have always thought that being reasonably fit, and having some knowledge of martial arts, i could hold my own against five guys for at least 15 seconds. Enough time for my partner to run away or run away myself. That is all i need.
If i have a gun, there is two options. Either i get killed or i end up in jail. The third option (self-defense) is not always there.
BWAHAHAHAHAA!! Okay, yeah, right, "you could hold your own against FIVE guys for at least 15 seconds...enough time to run away, blah blah..."
That is so laughable it's pathetic. What makes you so special, are you Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, and Sho Kosugi all wrapped into one? I guess you haven't even begun to think realistically about what it would be like to face even three guys who were intent on bashing you up.
And do you always think of things in such black/white terms? You might wish to consider that in the vast majority of incidents where an American presents a gun in self defense, the attacker abandons the attack and leaves and no shots are fired. You are most certainly not as certain to get sent to jail or be killed as you say. And what on earth do you mean that the option of self defense is not always there? I thought we were presuming that you would be drawing the gun because you were in a situation where you needed it for self defense! You're now saying that it would get you killed, whereas you'd be just fine duking it out with fists instead. And why would you be sent to jail if you used a gun in legitimate self-defense, anyway? Is self defense illegal over there (guffaw).
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
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QuoteIf firearms are banned the average criminal (in fact 99.9% of criminals) won't have one, if firearms are allowed and therefore coomon as in USA then 99.9% of your criminals will have one - most criminals haven't got the money, time or intelligence to actually obtain an illegal firearm.
You obviously haven't bothered to look into studies or statistics produced every year. I hate to break it to you, but you are so wrong it is actually really, really funny. Where did you get the idea that 99% of US criminals have guns? If you think so many of our criminals have guns, why aren't 99% of our crimes gun or at least violence, related? Also, you might want to even ask some britsin the forum if it's hard for their criminals to get a firearm. (hint: IT'S NOT!!)
QuoteAnd yes I do believe if you keep yourself physically fit and train in self defence you can help protect yourself against an assailant.
Sure, one on one in a fair fight, a physically fit person can handle an assailant. But what do you do when he has friends with him? Or he pulls a knife? Or they start to take your wallet then they decide to beat you for resisting? You have to remember, criminals are not stupid. They take the easy targets and they tilt the odds in their own favor.
QuoteThe proliferation of firearms amongst the community means you or someone you know is more likely to become a victim.
Really? Is that why only about 3 or 4% of Americans are likely to be victims of a crime this year, while 27% of Brits will be victims?
Or are you quoting the most ridiculous and disproven statistic in criminology, the idea that purchasing a gun makes you 23, no 34, no 48% more likely to be victimized? THAT one really is down right laughable.
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Kennedy 0
Oh, this is going to be just too much fun picking apart.....
So in the last week, I've met a mischaracterize Che and Mao, I've introduced myself to Mousolinni, and now I get to meet Bruce Lee reincarnated.
I hate to break it to you, but you haven't got a prayer of saving your own life against 5 thugs. Sure, maybe you can keep them back for 15 seconds, but then what? Are you going to curl up in a ball and hope they don't hurt you?
I have an exercise for you. In all these idle daydreams of yours, why don't you try tilting the field in their favor. Maybe have them get the drop on you, or surround you and your partner. Now what?
FYI: Not every situation begins with the best possible circumstances.
So how is it that if you have a gun you get killed? You think so highly of yourself that you can hold them off hand to hand, but if you pull a gun they will take it and shoot you with it? Or are you thinking they will pull their own gun? If that's the case, why wouldn't they only shoot a person with a gun, but not a person kicking their ass with hands and feet?
How can you possibly say the option of self defense is not there? If that option is not there, what is?
Here is a brochure you might find useful.
QuoteI have always thought that being reasonably fit, and having some knowledge of martial arts, i could hold my own against five guys for at least 15 seconds. Enough time for my partner to run away or run away myself. That is all i need.
If i have a gun, there is two options. Either i get killed or i end up in jail. The third option (self-defense) is not always there.
So in the last week, I've met a mischaracterize Che and Mao, I've introduced myself to Mousolinni, and now I get to meet Bruce Lee reincarnated.
I hate to break it to you, but you haven't got a prayer of saving your own life against 5 thugs. Sure, maybe you can keep them back for 15 seconds, but then what? Are you going to curl up in a ball and hope they don't hurt you?
I have an exercise for you. In all these idle daydreams of yours, why don't you try tilting the field in their favor. Maybe have them get the drop on you, or surround you and your partner. Now what?
FYI: Not every situation begins with the best possible circumstances.
So how is it that if you have a gun you get killed? You think so highly of yourself that you can hold them off hand to hand, but if you pull a gun they will take it and shoot you with it? Or are you thinking they will pull their own gun? If that's the case, why wouldn't they only shoot a person with a gun, but not a person kicking their ass with hands and feet?
How can you possibly say the option of self defense is not there? If that option is not there, what is?
Here is a brochure you might find useful.
QuoteShould escape be impossible, utilize the Safe, Non-Violent, Limp technique, or what we affectionately call the SNiVeL,
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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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QuoteYep. We have very few legally held firearms and as a consequence most of our criminals are not armed and of those that are armed very few actually use them. That was my argument fromthe beginning.... get rid of firearms.
4-5 million illegal guns and about 60 million people.
One illegal gun for every tenth or twelfth citizen.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, if most of your criminals don't have guns, then 20% of your residents must be criminals.
Newsflash for you: when a government prohibits something, a black market springs up to fill the void. From drugs to guns to anything you can think of, it's available if you really want it.
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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Kennedy 0
So it's inconceivable that someone might retrieve a firearm after a person breaks into their house?
I wish the "Armed Citizen" page from this magazine were posted online somewhere. I'd love to link you all to it so you could see just a sampling, and get the idea that this is in fact possible and does happen.
I guess you don't hear about it all that often because a butchered family is bigger news than a scared off perp. "If it bleeds, it leads," remember?
I wish the "Armed Citizen" page from this magazine were posted online somewhere. I'd love to link you all to it so you could see just a sampling, and get the idea that this is in fact possible and does happen.
I guess you don't hear about it all that often because a butchered family is bigger news than a scared off perp. "If it bleeds, it leads," remember?
witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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D22369 0
QuoteDo you meet everyone at the door with a gun in your hand? Because if you're invaded by a gang of home invaders, it'd have to be on your holster most likely, and you'd have to be ready to shoot first and ask questions later.
Otherwise, it's as good as the gun at the gunshop.
And if you do, well, you must be a lot of fun to visit...
Wendy W.
LOL, I can see what you are saying, but to answer your question...... at my duplex there are three in the living room, and at least one in each of the other rooms - bathroom included, all are loaded, and except for the 12 gage they are discretely hidden, they are easy to get ahold of.
At the very least, I have options - I can run to another room to obtain a firearm and to delay the inevitable combat, or use what is close at hand, the Skelton family didnt have any, and were helpless victims..... I HATE when I read about bad things happening to good people.
Roy
They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.
ok, in a public place I can accept that,
but we were speaking of guns at home. If someone decides to enter your house and attack you then you probably cannot avoid the situation, if their are several attackers then your odds of walking away from the confrontation drop drastically.
We had a very nice family in the Yakima Valley that was butchered by a mexican gang performing an initiation rite several years ago, they had no guns, just bats and knives - the family had no guns either.....they are dead - father, mother, two boys. The police were only thier for the aftermath... A gun or two in the hands of the homeowner may have kept them alive......
Roy
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