If Gore "really won" in 2000, why is HE not the Dem candidate this time again?

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

This is what bothers me about the claims that just about all democrats made about Gore in the last presidential election:

They say that Gore really was the winner, and that he had the majority (or a plurality, at least) of the American people's votes. If it really was SO close -- more particularly if Gore really was the winner -- why then is he not the candidate they are running now??

I mean, if what the left is saying lately is true, Bush has screwed up, misled the country, caused the deaths of our troops, spent the (so-called) "surplus" that Clinton built (what a load of chicanery and bullshit), ruined the economy... SURELY, if all this is true and it is also true that the American people are aware of it, Gore, if he were to be running in this election, would have all of his prior support from those who voted for him, plus the support of more people who have seen how "bad" Bush has been for this country, and now Gore would be a shoo-in: the additional converts would easily put him over the top and now he'd win not only Florida but maybe *gasp* even his home state of Tennessee!

So someone tell me why, if Gore really was the "real winner" last time, they didn't just send him through the procedure again this time to actually take the presidency.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Nightingale 0]

maybe he didn't want to run?

[Gravitymaster 0]

In addition, if Bush wasn't really elected, then he can run for 2 more terms.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

Maybe it's a tacit admission by the dems that Gore wasn't really quite the fireball of popularity that they would have had us believe. After all, if he was, they could have started way ahead in this campaign, and all the "Bush stole the election" resentment would have carried a lot of water.

Apparently, they realized that Gore is such a loser of a candidate that even with all that advantage he STILL wouldn't win against Bush.

Kinda gives lie to everything they said about how he would have made a better president than Bush -- and also to their claims of believing that Gore was the true winner in 2000. I mean, if they believed that, and if Bush truly has screwed up, they'd be running Gore against him again to finally put the "right" man in office.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[PhillyKev 0]

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Maybe it's a tacit admission by the dems that Gore wasn't really quite the fireball of popularity that they would have had us believe.

Well, let's see. It is a fact that he won the popular vote. It's also a fact that if he won FL he would have won the electorate, it's also a fact that he lost FL by a few hundred votes.

Seems to me your disputing that, it's all a matter of record.

[Nightingale 0]

And maybe he just didn't want to go through all the campaign shit all over again.

You don't know. I don't know. Speculation is pointless.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

That would be hard to believe, given the claims of how the presidency was truly won by him and then stolen by Bush and the USSC.

And my point about all those claims of having actually won the popular vote, etc. -- what I'm asking is, if that were true, it would mean that he should be an easy win THIS time, so why is he not the guy they Dems propped up to run? It seems to me like a person grousing about how he would have won a marathon pretty easily if someone hadn't deliberately tripped him, making a HUGE big fucking stink about it and complaining for four years, but then declining to run it again to really settle whether he would have won the first time. I mean, he does claim to have been the fastest runner...
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Gawain 0]

Hell, even the democrats will admit that Gore is about is exciting as a piece of burnt toast. No one really wanted him back. I don't think he wanted to come back either.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Nightingale 0]

if he didn't want to run, he didn't want to run. The party can't force him to do so.

The republicans have been trying to get Powell to run for years. He just doesn't want to do it. Maybe Gore just didn't want to do it this time. It put a lot of stress on his family and personal life last time around. Perhaps he just doesn't want to go through it again.

[PhillyKev 0]

Easy answer. A lot of his popularity had to do with being part of the incumbent administration. That advantage is gone. I'd still vote for him over Bush, hell, I'd vote for him over Kerry. But, he didn't run. Why didn't Bush Sr. run again after losing to Clinton? What's the point of this question?

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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if he didn't want to run, he didn't want to run. The party can't force him to do so.

The republicans have been trying to get Powell to run for years. He just doesn't want to do it. Maybe Gore just didn't want to do it this time. It put a lot of stress on his family and personal life last time around. Perhaps he just doesn't want to go through it again.

A big difference exists between a guy who says he doesn't want to run and never has run and a guy who ran, claimed to be the winner, fought in court to be declared the winner, groused for months and years (and his people did, too) about having the election stolen, and then come the next election, "doesn't want to be president anymore."

He sure wanted it in late 2000 and early 2001. What happened to his drive, his resolve, and his claims that he'd be a good president? Suddenly he "doesn't want" to be president anymore? "Doesn't want" to run and campaign? HE CLAIMED TO HAVE MISSED BY A NOSE! (Or rather, he claimed to not have missed AT ALL!) Shit, if he HAD been elected, does that mean that by this date he would have long since stopped wanting to be president, and he would have just languished away his final couple of years in office??

The claim of not wanting to run this time kind of diminishes the claim of how bad he wanted it last time. That's all I'm sayin'.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[billvon 3,110]

>If it really was SO close -- more particularly if Gore really was the
>winner -- why then is he not the candidate they are running now??

Because Gore decided not to run.

[billvon 3,110]

>The claim of not wanting to run this time kind of diminishes the
> claim of how bad he wanted it last time.

Perhaps he didn't want republicans to call his wife a whore, or endure any of the other nastier aspects of another campaign.

[PhillyKev 0]

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The claim of not wanting to run this time kind of diminishes the claim of how bad he wanted it last time. That's all I'm sayin'.

Ok, you're right. Don't vote for him.

[Jimbo 0]

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Perhaps he didn't want republicans to call his wife a whore, or endure any of the other nastier aspects of another campaign.

IIRC, she's not a whore, she's a drunk.

And a music-nazi.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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>The claim of not wanting to run this time kind of diminishes the
> claim of how bad he wanted it last time.

Perhaps he didn't want republicans to call his wife a whore, or endure any of the other nastier aspects of another campaign.

Really getting a lot of mileage out of this aren't you Bill?
Question: What is the difference between a housewife and a prostitute?

[PhillyKev 0]

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Question: What is the difference between a housewife and a prostitute?

The prostitute is honest?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Question: What is the difference between a housewife and a prostitute?

The prostitute is honest?

You do like life on the edge don't you?

[AggieDave 6]

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Well, let's see. It is a fact that he won the popular vote. It's also a fact that if he won FL he would have won the electorate, it's also a fact that he lost FL by a few hundred votes.

He could have "won" the electorate. The electorate doesn't necissarily vote in accordance to the popular vote, though. Its just been the custom/tradition.

That's what got me in the Bush/Gore win/lost debate. Bush was voted in by the elctorial, not the popular vote, in accordance with the constitution. End of story.

If the popular vote was actually the deciding factor, then it would probably be a different story.

*shrug*

Oh well, I guess I'll be the minority here on this website by not being somewhere between liberal to extreme-liberal, but being a conservative.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[PhillyKev 0]

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The electorate doesn't necissarily vote in accordance to the popular vote, though. Its just been the custom/tradition.

Actually, depends on the state. Some states split their delegates according to percentage of the popular vote, most go all one way or the other. But of them, some go along with the popular vote out of tradition and have on a couple occasions dissented, but some are legally required to vote for the candidate chosen by popular vote. Each state gets to make its own rules regarding its electorates.

[AggieDave 6]

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Each state gets to make its own rules regarding its electorates.

Thanks for the correction, you are correct.

The bottom line is, though, popular vote does NOT guaruntee the electorate vote across the board.

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[PhillyKev 0]

Of course not. That's the point. Gore did win the popular vote. He did not win the electoral vote. That's not really up for debate. Why he didn't win the electoral vote, now that's a different matter which I REALLY REALLY don't want to get into.

[AggieDave 6]

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Why he didn't win the electoral vote, now that's a different matter which I REALLY REALLY don't want to get into.

Ahhh, come on, we can discuss that, toss in some abortion and guns and...why the hell not, lets toss RSLs into the debate as well.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[jakee 1,594]

Really? Thats how the greatest democracy in the world works?
I thought the electorate was bound to go along with the majority vote, oh well.
Sounds like its not so much a vote as a sort of opinion poll, is that about right?

While we're on the subject who exactly are the delegates who cast the votes that count?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Samurai136 0]

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The claim of not wanting to run this time kind of diminishes the claim of how bad he wanted it last time. That's all I'm sayin'.
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Not really. If you had a career in congress and then presided over it for 8 years, campaigned hard for presidency and lost by getting screwed in the highest court in the land; would you go back for seconds?

Probably not. It's the same supreme court. What's to say it couldn't happen again? Most people who get fucked by the system give up on participating in it, that's all.

Ken

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