John Kerry - in the know

[TheAnvil 0]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,118252,00.html

Note to Kerry: Bush released pay records and etc weeks ago. Reading the paper really helps one understand current events. Tell us about Dewey Canyon if you're so interested in events of the time period...or the VVAW and their effect upon POWs...where, exactly, you saw all those atrocities committed...etc.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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[PhillyKev 0]

Still wondering when the republicans will start talking about current, relevant issues in relation to the campaign. Closest thing I can think of is the whole gay marriage constitutionial amendment which like every other initiative of GWB has been forgotten (not that I'm complaining).

[Ron 10]

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Still wondering when the republicans will start talking about current, relevant issues in relation to the campaign. Closest thing I can think of is the whole gay marriage constitutionial amendment which like every other initiative of GWB has been forgotten (not that I'm complaining).

Kerry being a two faced liar is very relevant...If he lied before for political gain he will do it again.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[TheAnvil 0]

Let's see....what are conservatives talking about lately...

- we've PROVEN liberal bias in the press with CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS's brilliant non-reporting on Senatore Dodd's comments on the Senate floor as compared to their intense coverage of Senator Lott's comments at a party (not that we hadn't proven this 1000 times over already)

- we're talking about making tax cuts permanent

- we're talking about preventing internet taxation

- we're talking about Iraq

- we're talking about abortion (not the topic of this thread, you know who you are)

- we're talking about memo's proposing to torpedo a judicial nominee 'because he is Hispanic'

- we're talking about the NEA's sponsoring an abortion rights march

- we're talking about all of these attacks on GWB

And many other things.

Vinny the Anvil
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[PhillyKev 0]

Sorry, I was referring to the republican campaign people, not the people on this site. Obviously all us blow hards cover the gambit

[PhillyKev 0]

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Kerry being a two faced liar is very relevant...If he lied before for political gain he will do it again.

I can't believe what a non-issue this is. Making the claim that he is a two faced liar over the semantics of comments made a decade apart over an incident 3 decades ago is ridiculous. It's the same as your comments in one thread both praising and deriding the VA hospital. Do I think you're a two faced liar? No. You answered two different specific questions honestly from your perspective. This is such a smoke screen. Talk about wagging the dog.

[billvon 3,120]

>- we've PROVEN liberal bias in the press with CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS's
>brilliant non-reporting on Senatore Dodd's comments on the Senate
> floor

And we've proven a conservative bias in CNN with their biased reporting of the latest Kerry smear:

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A man who served in the same Navy unit as Sen. John Kerry denounced on Tuesday charges the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee made as an antiwar protester that he and other U.S. troops committed atrocities in Vietnam.

"I saw some war heroes ... John Kerry is not a war hero," said John O'Neill, a Houston lawyer who joined the Navy's Coastal Division 11 two months after the future senator left Vietnam. "He couldn't tie the shoes of some of the people in Coastal Division 11."
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Or is that just "fact-based reporting" because smears against democrats are facts, whereas smears against republicans are biased partisan tactics?

>we're talking about making tax cuts permanent

And running up the biggest deficit in history. Applying for more and more credit cards as you max out the old ones is not a sound financial strategy, but does pander to the more clueless voters.

>we're talking about all of these attacks on GWB

Hmm. Latest Bush commericals do a lot more attacking of Kerry than talking about attacks on Bush. The best defense is a good offense and all.

And don't forget, you're calling a man's wife, a woman you don't know, a whore. That will surely sway some votes to the side of the republicans!

[TheAnvil 0]

Hmmm......you equate a CNN report detrimental to Kerry to the all out assault on Sen. Lott AND their non-coverage of Sen. Dodd's incident and call that conservative bias? Odd set of scales you have there Bill.

Note to Bill: spending causes deficits. Folks who support a candidate proposing a national health care system, a 40,000 troop increase in the Army, and many other expensive programs have no credibility when talking about the deficit. Conservatives who are ticked at GWB are talking about the deficit too.

Attack ads. GWB has been under constant assault by the left since their primary began (before that actually). They can live with the attack ads he's running.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[PhillyKev 0]

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Kerry being a two faced liar is very relevant...If he lied before for political gain he will do it again.

Then I guess Bush being a two faced liar is relevant, and lying about relevant issues is a little more serious IMO. You guys are all harping about Kerry saying one thing, and then saying something different. Well Bush says one thing and the DOES something different.

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Within that budget I proposed last night is a substantial increase in Medicare funding of $400 billion on top of what we already spend, over the next 10 years. This is a commitment that America must make to our seniors. A reformed and strengthened Medicare system, plus a healthy dosage of Medicare spending in the budget, will make us say firmly, we fulfilled our promise to the seniors of America." - Bush, 1/29/03

TRUTH: Under Bush's proposal, there should be a roughly $40 billion increase in Medicare each year for a decade. However, Bush's 2004 budget proposes just $6 billion - 85% less than what would be needed to meet his goal. Additionally, his budget would leave 67% of the total $400 billion pledge to be spent after 2008. [Bush Budget, pg. 318]

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"Our goal is a system in which all Americans have got a good insurance policy, in which all Americans can choose their own doctor, in which seniors and low-income citizens receive the help they need. ... Our Medicare system is a binding commitment of a caring society. We must renew that commitment by providing the seniors of today and tomorrow with preventive care and the new medicines that are transforming health care in our country." -- George W. Bush, Medicare address, March 4, 2003

TRUTH: his program makes dramatic cuts in the benefits for both the poor and the elderly

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"This administration is committed to your effort. And with the support of Congress, we will continue to work to provide the resources school need to fund the era of reform." - Bush, 1/8/03

TRUTH: The President's 2003 budget - the first education budget after he signed and touted the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) - proposed to cut NCLB programs by $90 million overall, leaving these programs more than $7 billion short of what was authorized under the bill. Bush's 2004 budget for NCLB is just 1.9% above what he proposed in 2003 - $619 less than needed to offset inflation.

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"Every single child in America must be educated, I mean every child. ... There's nothing more prejudiced than not educating a child." -- George W. Bush, presidential debate versus Vice President Al Gore, Oct. 11, 2000

TRUTH: In his 2003 budget, Bush proposed funding levels far below what the legislation called for, requesting only $22.1 billion of the $29.2 billion that Congress authorized. For the largest program, Title I of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, which provides support to students in impoverished school districts, Bush asked for $11.35 billion out of the $18.5 billion authorized. His 2004 budget was more than $6 billion short of what Congress authorized.

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My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax, provide relief for families and small businesses, and help millions of seniors in retirement by eliminating the double taxation of dividends.

TRUTH: The Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center found 8.1 million taxpayers who would receive no tax cuts.

According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax credit.

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The White House that insisted that the tax cuts haven't contributed to the deficit ("The budget returned to deficit because of war, recession and emergencies associated with the terrorist attacks of September 11th"). (fact sheet)

TRUTH: "The deterioration in the performance of the economy together with income tax relief … produced a drop in the surplus to $127.1 billion (1.3% of GDP) and a return to deficits"? (Incidentally, the budget deficit is now projected to be $455 billion.) (buried inside the White House budget documents,)

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"People in the 10 percent bracket, they benefit the most from" the Bush tax cut.

TRUTH: Crunching the Tax Policy Center numbers, CBPP found that 89 percent of all single taxpayers (as opposed to "head of household" taxpayers) in the 10 percent bracket would receive no tax relief. It said some "head of household" taxpayers in the 10 percent bracket were left out, too.

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Clear Skies legislation, when passed by Congress, will significantly reduce smog and mercury emissions, as well as stop acid rain. It will put more money directly into programs to reduce pollution, so as to meet firm national air-quality goals. ..." -- George W. Bush, Earth Day speech, April 22, 2002

TRUTH: The act, in fact, delays required emission cuts by as much as 10 years, usurps the states' power to address interstate pollution problems and allows outdated industrial facilities to skirt costly pollution-control upgrades.

[turtlespeed 226]

It's a shame that you have to cut and paste your thoughts - all that original thinking.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>Kerry being a two faced liar is very relevant...

"Our budget will run a deficit that will be small and short-lived."

"But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them."

"The states can do what they want to do (with respect to gay marriage.)"

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush endorsed a constitutional amendment Tuesday that would restrict marriage to two people of the opposite sex.

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building."

"A president and his advisers, including his adviser for national security affairs, must be able to communicate freely and privately without being compelled to reveal those communications to the legislative branch."

(although in fairness you could call the last one just a flip-flop.)

[PhillyKev 0]

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It's a shame that you have to cut and paste your thoughts - all that original thinking.

That's the difference between hypothetical or imaginary accusations and facts. Just because you think Kerry lied because someone told someone who told you that he did doesn't make it true. The quotes that I pasted are verifiable, unlike the baseless, meaningless accusations coming from your side of the fence.

Since when did the truth have anything to do with original thinking. Original thinking does have a big part to play in smear campaigns, however. I know you guys need to be creative to come up with evidence of Kerry's lies. Not my fault it's so much easier for me to just cut and paste GWB's own words and actions.

[TheAnvil 0]

Given the age demographics of the US populace, can you give me ONE realistic scenario where we WOULDN'T be running a deficit in the next decade?

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[Ron 10]

wow..you found www.johnkerry.com

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kallend 2,150]

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Still wondering when the republicans will start talking about current, relevant issues in relation to the campaign. Closest thing I can think of is the whole gay marriage constitutionial amendment which like every other initiative of GWB has been forgotten (not that I'm complaining).

Kerry being a two faced liar is very relevant...If he lied before for political gain he will do it again.

Oh no, that's both major party candidates that are two-faced liars.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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wow..you found www.johnkerry.com

Actually the source for all of those GWB quotes is www.whitehouse.gov.

[Ron 10]

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Oh no, that's both major party candidates that are two-faced liars.

Id rather go with the one I know, that the wannabe Kennedy

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[mikkey 0]

Just a question from an interested outsider (non-American): Isn't it dangerous for the Republicans to bring up 30 year old stuff? Wouldn't this justify the democrats bringing up GWB's alcohol consumption and drink driving when he was "young and irresponsible" at around 40 years of age and also alleged drug use? Do you guys think this is going to be a complete mud slinging match over the next 6 month?

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[Ron 10]

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Just a question from an interested outsider (non-American): Isn't it dangerous for the Republicans to bring up 30 year old stuff?

Yep....And really stupid. However both sides are to blame.

The Dems bring up GWB's questionable NG time...So the Reb have to counter with Kerry's winter soldier testimony and his questionable practices in reguards to his anit-war movement.

The thing that gets me is it is quite clear that most didn't care about GWB's time in service....We had elected him and before him we elected a draft dodger. I don't blame him for not wanting to go to war...Hell mmost GI's don't want to go to war, and if I were a powerful man I would do what I could to protect my son from war.

As for Kerrys military record...I have no doubt he was a war hero...And having been in the military I can understand (But not excuse) his actions about trying to get medals, and his war crimes.

So I agree with Sen. John McCain....They both served..shut up already.

My issue is with Kerry's whole career as a wannabe Kennedy and his two faced actions...And really not so much his changing his mind...But how he claims he never did.

Bush is not perfect but I trust the man, and he is a leader. And that is really what it boils down to for me.

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Do you guys think this is going to be a complete mud slinging match over the next 6 month?

Oh yeah, its gonna be ugly.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"Do you guys think this is going to be a complete mud slinging match over the next 6 month?"

Thats exactly what we have in store, I suspect Mikkey.
The strategy in most US elections is not to demonstrate the strengths of their own candidates, their policies, and their manifestos, rather to illuminate failings in the opposition.
It makes great entertainment, nobody really wants a good clean fight, do they?

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Yeah??? Well, they started it.

[turtlespeed 226]

How does someone vote for something and then vote against it and say that he never changed his mind?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>How does someone vote for something and then vote against it and
> say that he never changed his mind?

Done all the time. Bush said Rice could not testify due to serious constitutional concerns; then he lets her. He was for free trade, then against it and for steel tariffs, then against them. He said states should decide on their own whether to allow gay marriage, then he proposes a constitutional amendment to ban it. He says our troops should not be used for nation building then he uses them to install a new government in Iraq. Politics as usual.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>How does someone vote for something and then vote against it and
> say that he never changed his mind?

Done all the time. Bush said Rice could not testify due to serious constitutional concerns; then he lets her. He was for free trade, then against it and for steel tariffs, then against them. He said states should decide on their own whether to allow gay marriage, then he proposes a constitutional amendment to ban it. He says our troops should not be used for nation building then he uses them to install a new government in Iraq. Politics as usual.

ok - but about the last part. . ."say that he never changed his mind? "

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,120]

>but about the last part. . ."say that he never changed his mind? "

Again, politics as usual. Just as Bush said he could not think of a single mistake he has made, Kerry will not admit to changing his mind. Both do not want to give their enemies fodder.