damion75 0 #76 April 29, 2004 Quote The difference is Sadr doesn't want to negotiate. Not too much of a problem though since Sadr is not in Fallujah and has nothing to do with it - being a different sect...*************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #77 April 29, 2004 Here you go. :Godwin's Law: /prov./ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damion75 0 #78 April 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteSo you blame the difference in sector violence on who is tasked with that sector? Yes - but I don't think it is naive Quote Do you think if the brits were tasked with Fallujah, they'd be doing any better right now? Please. Yes, because we would not have got sucked into it in the first place. We also consider tactics other than going in all guns blazing. Quote You also completely mischaracterize the actions of the British forces. They are dealing with different kinds of insurgents. Who told you that? QuoteYeah, british police are so successful in their own country. Last time I looked, Iraq was not our country... try and stay on topic! Quote And why is it you are incapable of seeing the differences between US controlled areas and British areas? Is there a Sadr equivalent in the brit area? Er... yes! He's Called Muqtada al SADR and he is a self styled Shia leader. The greatest concentration of Shia are in the UK controlled area but strangely we have managed to control the situation to avoid the sort of problems which have occurred elsewhere in Iraq. This is a situation where the US really cant say "Its only working for you because we gave you the easy bit!" Quote Where are you getting this garbage? Have you forgotten that our last three wars were against irregulars using improvised everything, including explosives? Yep - you guys did a LOT of urban counter insurgency in that time... Sorry to have to be the one to tell you but it IS a bit different to the jungle... QuoteAlso, you've had 35 years, and have accomplished basically squat in Northern Ireland. (don't tell you found peace, you've had that before; you're cycling, not improving) We were in Afghanistan for what, a year, and sent every terrorist in the region underground or to his maker. Remind me how many soldiers we have had killed by the IRA in the last decade? Hmmm... different issue again - sorry.*************** Not one shred of evidence supports the theory that life is serious - look at the platypus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #79 April 29, 2004 'We were in Afghanistan for what, a year, and sent every terrorist in the region underground or to his maker. ' LOL..........Do you really belive that? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #80 April 29, 2004 Hey, good news for our future in Iraq from CNN: "Meanwhile, U.S. troops were in negotiations with Iraqi security forces on a plan for Fallujah that would reposition U.S. forces and use former Iraqi military to secure the city, a senior military official told CNN." Negotiations such as this are what will turn this conflict from a war into a peacekeeping operation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #81 April 29, 2004 Yes, this second it was an the news: they will back track the southern part of Fallujah within 3 says, the northern within next. week. a good step. power will behanded over to a former general of SH. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #82 April 29, 2004 I really hope it works out. I am very skeptical though. The leader is a former General in SH's Army. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #83 April 29, 2004 >I am very skeptical though. The leader is a former General in SH's Army. Yep; it's certainly not an ideal solution. But it might be the least bad of many very bad solutions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #84 April 29, 2004 Thought you might find this article interesting. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4856772/ From the article: QuoteBut neither here, nor in the Baghdad palace that serves as the headquarters of the U.S. occupation administration, nor in the corridors of official Washington, is the solution to the Fallujah problem clear. Although American officials and Iraq's U.S.-backed leaders agree that the insurgents should be captured or killed, preferably before the Americans hand over limited sovereignty on June 30, no good options exist to accomplish that goal, according to U.S. officials familiar with the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,151 #85 April 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteI thought we won back in May when GWB made his victory speech on the carrier. You thought wrong. For those of us who couldn't understand, Dubya was declaring victory over Saddam's military. For those of us who listened to the entire speech or read the transcript, he also cautioned against assuming everything was over. Do try to pay attention. More US troops killed in Iraq in April '04 than during "Combat operations" of March-April '03. This whole affair has been and is being grossly mismanaged by the CinC.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #86 April 30, 2004 QuoteThis whole affair has been and is being grossly mismanaged by the CinC. What's your plan, Kallend? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,151 #87 April 30, 2004 Quote QuoteThis whole affair has been and is being grossly mismanaged by the CinC. What's your plan, Kallend? - Jim Replace the C in C with someone who can tell the difference between lies and the truth, who is not an arrogant cowboy, who accepts responsibility for his own mistakes, and who does not put our boys in harm's way under false pretenses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #88 May 1, 2004 That's nice, except you left out what you would do differently to avoid grossly mismanaging the entire affair. ps - "our boys" have been in Iraq since Desert Shield. What would you have done to bring them home?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Skyrad 0 #79 April 29, 2004 'We were in Afghanistan for what, a year, and sent every terrorist in the region underground or to his maker. ' LOL..........Do you really belive that? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #80 April 29, 2004 Hey, good news for our future in Iraq from CNN: "Meanwhile, U.S. troops were in negotiations with Iraqi security forces on a plan for Fallujah that would reposition U.S. forces and use former Iraqi military to secure the city, a senior military official told CNN." Negotiations such as this are what will turn this conflict from a war into a peacekeeping operation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #81 April 29, 2004 Yes, this second it was an the news: they will back track the southern part of Fallujah within 3 says, the northern within next. week. a good step. power will behanded over to a former general of SH. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #82 April 29, 2004 I really hope it works out. I am very skeptical though. The leader is a former General in SH's Army. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #83 April 29, 2004 >I am very skeptical though. The leader is a former General in SH's Army. Yep; it's certainly not an ideal solution. But it might be the least bad of many very bad solutions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #84 April 29, 2004 Thought you might find this article interesting. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4856772/ From the article: QuoteBut neither here, nor in the Baghdad palace that serves as the headquarters of the U.S. occupation administration, nor in the corridors of official Washington, is the solution to the Fallujah problem clear. Although American officials and Iraq's U.S.-backed leaders agree that the insurgents should be captured or killed, preferably before the Americans hand over limited sovereignty on June 30, no good options exist to accomplish that goal, according to U.S. officials familiar with the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #85 April 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteI thought we won back in May when GWB made his victory speech on the carrier. You thought wrong. For those of us who couldn't understand, Dubya was declaring victory over Saddam's military. For those of us who listened to the entire speech or read the transcript, he also cautioned against assuming everything was over. Do try to pay attention. More US troops killed in Iraq in April '04 than during "Combat operations" of March-April '03. This whole affair has been and is being grossly mismanaged by the CinC.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #86 April 30, 2004 QuoteThis whole affair has been and is being grossly mismanaged by the CinC. What's your plan, Kallend? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #87 April 30, 2004 Quote QuoteThis whole affair has been and is being grossly mismanaged by the CinC. What's your plan, Kallend? - Jim Replace the C in C with someone who can tell the difference between lies and the truth, who is not an arrogant cowboy, who accepts responsibility for his own mistakes, and who does not put our boys in harm's way under false pretenses.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #88 May 1, 2004 That's nice, except you left out what you would do differently to avoid grossly mismanaging the entire affair. ps - "our boys" have been in Iraq since Desert Shield. What would you have done to bring them home?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
