American hero revisited

[base283 0]

Relevant links
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Afghanistan,+pipeline&spell=1

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1049522;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

base283:
In respect of his passing, I totally agree with you. But in the Euro view he was only a bush henchmen to clear the way for an oil pipeline. same like Iraq.
take care,
space

Tunaplanet:
Is Base the same guy I see in the local bars drinking his whisky, looking over his shoulder in paranoia as he tells anyone that will listen his version of America and all of his conspiracy theories?
base283 responds
actually it´s the other way around, I listen to what the others are saying if you can comprehend my first post on this subject you might get a clue. Read this again “base283:
In respect of his passing, I totally agree with you. But in the Euro view he was only a bush henchmen to clear the way for an oil pipeline. same like Iraq.
take care,
space”
Do you understand what “Euro view” means? Its not my view. Polish up on your comprehension please sir.



crzjp20:
please move this thread befre i rip into base in a fassion that would not be exceptable on this forum....
... ok ill be nice, but still please move it, then ill give my opinion
base283 responds;
OK, lets do it.

kmcguffee:
To take the attack to the terrorists instead of sitting around trying to defend everything. Remember the country that was hiding UBL after 9/11? Maybe we can just pull out and watch Afghanistan collapse back into the Second Taliban Government. There is no oil or natural resources that we want or need in Afghanistan. Now, you tell me why you think we are in Afghanistan. The poppies?

We're not in Afghanistan to protect our homeland and family? You've got your information a little twisted. You're also showing complete disrespect for someone who had the courage to sacrifice for his beliefs.

base283 responds;
How did I diss this hero? Please work on reading comprehension and the twists will unfold.
Take care,
space

[Muenkel 0]

One question for you. Who attacked who on 9/11/01?

You know the famous phrase around here about scratching a sleeping lion's balls with a hot fork? Well that's what OBL did while being given safe haven by the Taliban.

It's smart not to pick a fight with the strongest guy on the block if you don't want your ass kicked.

God Bless America,
Chris

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base283 responds;
How did I diss this hero? Please work on reading comprehension and the twists will unfold.
Take care,

by bringing your political beliefs into a post about someone's demise in a forum(bonfire) that it was not made for. There is 3 other threads on this forum (speakers forum) on this subject keep it here.

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[base283 0]

There is nothing political about murder. I stated what the Euro view was. read my original post and top off on reading comprehension before.
take care,
space

[kmcguffee 0]

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read my original post and top off on reading comprehension before.

Maybe the problem isn't comprehension of the readers but writing ability of the poster.

This is from your links:

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History Of The Afghanistan
Pipeline Project
By Evgeny Antonov
The Russian Issues.com
10-19-1

No matter who comes to power in Afghanistan if the anti-Taliban operation succeeds, the first goal of a new government would be to restore the ruined economy. One of the ways of doing so is the construction of the Central Asian gas pipeline, a promising project that has been in works for almost ten years.

The idea to construct a trans-Afghani gas pipeline was born in Ashkhabad in the early 1990s. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, newly independent Turkmenia dreamt of becoming a "gas Kuwait": the country has approximately 2 trillion cubic meters of gas (30% of world deposits). The only problem was the fact that all the existing pipelines ran through Russia's territory. Obviously, Gazprom, the largest exporter of gas in the CIS, was not going to allow Turkmenian gas to be transported to Europe. Therefore, the idea to build a new pipeline emerged.

The Argentinean company, Bridas, developed the plan for the pipeline in 1994. The pipeline was to lead to the Pakistani port of Chaman. Islamabad became very interested in the project. The 1300-kilometer pipeline was to transport 1 billion cubic meters of gas a day. There was also a project for building a pipeline to India. China also expressed an interest in the $2 billion project.

Afghanistan was at relative peace when the project was being discussed. Turkmenian President Saparmurat Niyazov felt that the U.S. could help to guarantee the construction of the pipeline. He was able to find an American company that became interested in the project: Texan Unocal bought 54% of the consortium, while Bridas was simply dismissed.

However, the situation in Afghanistan has changed a great deal. In 1996, the Taliban captured Kabul. Members of the consortium had to negotiate with a new and unpredictable partner. According to Mike Thatcher, a PR director at Unocal, "we have been negotiating with the Taliban and the Northern Alliance. We simply wanted to know when the war in Afghanistan would end and who would finance the project. There was no reply. When the Taliban gave refuge to Osama Bin Laden after he had organized the terrorist acts in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998, we decided to quit the project."

There is, however, a different opinion. According to our diplomatic source, "Unocal was not really trying to push the project. The company was simply lying to Ashkhabad. The U.S. is not interested in the Central Asian pipeline. If it is built, Washington will be unable to control the gas market in the region. Unocal was simply an effective tool for preventing this project from being realized."

When there is peace in Afghanistan, the idea of the Central Asian gas pipeline is likely to surface again. In a recent interview, the Pakistani ambassador in Moscow, Iftihar Murshed, stated that "the key to solving the Afghani crisis is in economics. The construction of this pipeline could solve some of the economic problems in the region."

The only question is whether anyone will be willing to take part in such a risky project. Unocal refuses to do so. According to Thatcher, "we have left the consortium. Our company is a small one; we do not have many resources. As of now, we have a number of projects in Indonesia and China and we would not be able to begin any new ones within the next five years or so."

It is also quite unlikely that Bridas will return to the idea. No other company has expressed an interest in the project: the political risks are too high. The Central Asian pipeline that is destined to "pacify" Afghanistan will probably remain a paper project.

It does not present strong evidence to support a war but you believe what you would like. Also, the resources are not in Afghanistan only the proposed pipe line going through Afghanistan.

What are the Eurowhiners suggesting we should have done in response to 9/11? Nothing? I would like to hear a detailed, realistic, plan. Not this kumbaya let's all love one another bullshit you guys keep putting out.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[base283 0]

OBL denied being a part of the 9-11 attack. what gives on that? I have no clue. why did they fly out his family? What was the modified military c130 doing flying around in the area at the time of the collisions? This has really nothing to do with anything in my post. One can go crazy with the conspiracy theories, I prefer not to. My post stated the euro view. not even my view.
take care,
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[crzjp20 0]

ok base im going to try to be nice here, cause i really want to rip you a new one, but i wont.

why do i want to do that? Cause you called a person who is servinge his country a murderer. People get killer in war, even civilians, but the US take huge actions to prevent those deaths. But when the other side places civilians infront of their lines to protcet themselves from our fire then the chance of them getting killed is drasticaly increased.

now as for your murder claim.... congagulatino you just punned ever person in the armed forces as a murder. That includes me, and frankly that offends me and pisses me off to no end. Why, cause i know what we do, i know how many steps we take o protect people, and i know that i am not a henchmen for President bush. I am a servent to our country, and i will protect it just like i would protect my family. If someone came into your home, and tried to hurt your fam9ily would you sit there and let it happen, or would you take action? Well on 9-11 people came into my country and hurt my "family" so you kbnow what, they have to pay the price. if war could happen without death it would be great, but we are not at that point with technology.

and as for the oil and all that crap, what the hell are you talking about dude?? are you crazt?? we went there for justice and that is what we are still getting. I dont know if you read the report very well, but he was in afganistan, not iraq. you know your country has troops on there as well, so does france. and so does many other countries. That is a joint operation. The Un suported it, and has helped with it. Those bastards came over here and attacked us, now they have to pay.

on Dec. 7th 1941, our base in hawaii was bombed by the japs, it lead to a war. it brought us into a war in Europe, where who were we fighting? your country.
If you want to talk about murders, let take a look at your countries history: do you know how even the persains were? they killer millions. Then came the nazis, they almost wiped all the jews. over 5 million jews were starved, humilated, and then murdered. If the US had not gotten into the war then the number would have been much much greater. so were we murders then for saving the lives of all those who were set to die at the hands of the germans??

you call them murders casue you dont like the politics, i call them heros cause i dont like it when people try to hurt me country and it takes alot to sign on that dotted line, trust me, and when people are willing to give their lives for a just cause they are heros.

So back off Killman, he gavce it all up, what have you done?

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[crzjp20 0]

you actually believe that UBL didnt mastermind the 9-11 attacks?? are you nutts?

concidering the al quada(spelling) has taken credit for it on more than one time.

so if they didnt do it who did? Did the US attack their self?? cause that is what they are implying. But if that were the case then why were their 2 f-16 in the air to take down the plane that was heading to wahington, before it was taken down by HEROS who stepd up and toke the plane back???

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[kallend 2,151]

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you actually believe that UBL didnt mastermind the 9-11 attacks?? are you nutts?

concidering the al quada(spelling) has taken credit for it on more than one time.

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This is satire, right?

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[crzjp20 0]

yup

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[rickjump1 0]

I agree. This "Euro View"crap" started WWII and surfaced again after. History has a way of repeating itself; only now we are considered the bad guys. Thank God not everyone feels this way. We will bury our dead with honor and move on.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[lawrocket 3]

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There is nothing political about murder. I stated what the Euro view was. read my original post and top off on reading comprehension before.
take care,
space

Okay. Am I the only person here that refuses to look to Europe for moral guidance? I can look at fairly recent history - several events over the last hundred years, and state that European countries certainly have no stranglehold on morality. I know these are little things like, oh, WWI and WWII, and Europe's recent history of mass genocide (including the Eastern European countries still duking it out today).

Let Europe look at US soldiers as henchmen, while refusing to do a damned thing about the activities of other Europeans. Well, I guess European henchmen DID finally kidnap and hold Milosivic hostage, where he still is rotting in prison. A few years late, eh?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[base283 0]

I apologize if my writing ability fails to communicate what I wrote. I posted the euroview and now you think it´s my view also. click the attatchment and you will see that there are 168,999 other links than the one you chose. certainly we can posts urls back and forth all day , but to what avail. This has escalated into an argument and communication has ceased. But at least you did click on the link. 2/3 of the Germans think that 9-11 was a US government plot according to media sources. I don´t post my opinion on it. I am just trying to tell the Euroview. go ahead and kill the messenger if you wish. it won´t change anything. cya
take care,
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[base283 0]

My bad, Thanks for enlightening me. I was calling GW´s string pullers the murderer not the members of the armed forces. sorry for the induced misunderstanding. BTW, i am American. Germany is where I now reside. Thanks for not ripping me a new one. I only wanted to give the Euro view as it was told to me.
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[Beerlight 0]

From reading your post, I had a feeling you "were not" German. I assume now your are either active duty U.S. military, a U.S. dependent or have retired and are now residing in Germany. Am I correct on that assumption?

Buck

[TomAiello 26]

BASE 283 is definitely not US military.

He's what might be called a conscientious objector. I believe he left the US over a decade ago, because he was tired of some US government policies (or perhaps just bored).

He took the classic advice of so many (some of whom appear to want to offer it to him in this thread) to "leave if you don't like it."

I'm not sure of his current citizenship, but I think he might accurately be described, in a philosophical sense, as a citizen of the world.

He's a fun guy to party with, too.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[kiltboy 0]

Hi Buck,

I have a question about the picture you posted on the previous thread on bonfire. Where did you get it?

The reason I ask is that Tillman was killed in Afghanistan and as far as I'm aware France and Germany have troops deployed there (not sure about russia). I don't understand then why those patches would be on his sleeve.

Thanks,
David

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Hi Buck,

I have a question about the picture you posted on the previous thread on bonfire. Where did you get it?

The reason I ask is that Tillman was killed in Afghanistan and as far as I'm aware France and Germany have troops deployed there (not sure about russia). I don't understand then why those patches would be on his sleeve.

Thanks,
David

Sent to me by a friend. Don't read too much into it.
And that's not Tillman in the photo........

Buck

[kiltboy 0]

Hi Buck,

Fair enough.

Thanks,
Davdi

[base283 0]

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you actually believe that UBL didnt mastermind the 9-11 attacks?? are you nutts?

Please read this quote from my post, I am asking a question, I do not know the answer. I then make a statement saying "I have no clue"-

quote " OBL denied being a part of the 9-11 attack. what gives on that? I have no clue."

I in no way am bashing americans, relax guys, I am asking whattupwiddat? Am I the only one who saw this in the media?
"Bin Laden was interviewed September 28th by a pro-Taliban newspaper. Here's a summary:
"In an interview with 'Ummat' -- a publication sympathetic to Afghanistan's ruling Taliban -- bin Laden said both he and al Qaida had 'nothing to do with the terrorist attacks in America' and that 'hard-line Jewish organizations might be involved…'"

take care & please stop reading things into my posts.
space

[crzjp20 0]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/10/ar911.osama.exclusive/

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape/

foor for though if you think he knew nothing about them.

there are other articles, but i will only post these casue of time.

I was being extremly sarcastic about that as well, but reality is that UBL did this, be was involved, and he knew about it. He took pride in the attacks, and the after effects. Justice will be served to him as well. wether it is in a court room, or on the field of battle, at the hand of your so called murderes. His time is coming.

sorry if i come across strong on this, the reason why is casue i have lost very close frineds in the 911 attacks, and the following wars. And frankly it pisses me off when they are disrespected. So in return i react the way i have. You can have your opinions cause you are entitled to them. I dont like the,, and i dont suport them, but i will take a bullet for you to protect them.

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[Michele 1]

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Am I the only one who saw this in the media?
"Bin Laden was interviewed September 28th by a pro-Taliban newspaper. Here's a summary:
"In an interview with 'Ummat' -- a publication sympathetic to Afghanistan's ruling Taliban -- bin Laden said both he and al Qaida had 'nothing to do with the terrorist attacks in America' and that 'hard-line Jewish organizations might be involved…'"

There have been many theories about the "jews" doing this. It is horrible that they - as they have been for centuries - were blamed; even if it's so untrue as to be ludicrous and disgusting.

Rest assured, OBL and AQ were the masterminds and the instigators. His denial was done to prevent an attack on Afghanistan and the Taliban. When that didn't work, he admitted the involvement.

Before you start looking at the jews - even peripherially - or stating something that is ludicrous on it's face, please take the time to research your position.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[rickjump1 0]

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"In an interview with 'Ummat' -- a publication sympathetic to Afghanistan's ruling Taliban -- bin Laden said both he and al Qaida had 'nothing to do with the terrorist attacks in America' and that 'hard-line Jewish organizations might be involved…'"

Are just trying to enlighten us with this nonsense? Did you believe this yourself when you first read it? Just asking.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[base283 0]

Hi Michele,
I am not looking at the jews, not even peripherally. The quote was from the media quoting OBL. NOT ME! Whats up with you guys? I am not prejudice against any group. Jeesh. What is my position? I have none to research. I asked a question. So far in this thread I have been accused of being German, AntiAmerican, conspiracy theorist, condemner of the US military and now you have accused me of blaming the jews.
I am none of those things. Never have been and never will. I am a full blooded American and proud to be one. I would never give up my US citizenship for any reason, I was Born American and I will die American.
Thankfully you are the only one to even attempt to answer. does anybody have any more insight on the denial? I am trying to understand the Euroview as well as the US view, I am being objective about it me thinks.
Please continue.
take care,
space

[Michele 1]

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Thankfully you are the only one to even attempt to answer. does anybody have any more insight on the denial?

On which denial - OBL's?

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I am trying to understand the Euroview as well as the US view, I am being objective about it me thinks.

Can you lay out what you understand is the Euroview?

I think people - including myself - believe you are stating *your* position. Maybe it's the languaging of the posts, but I sure thought you were advancing a position which slammed the Jews. If that's not the case, as you stated, then I apologize.

So, what are your questions specifically? Not that I can answer them, but I would be interested in knowing your questions precisely.

Thanks, Base. And have a good one!

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~