SkyDekker 1,465 #76 April 18, 2006 QuoteEach drug is so different that you've got to look at things without generalities. The cocaine and crack problems managed to extinguish themselves pretty well because the hardocre users managed to extinguish themselves. Meth was cheaper, easier to manufacture and move, and more available, so it's taking over. And trust me, meth is a HUGE fucking problem. yeah but since all can be addictive some people on here seem to think it is quite alright to group them all together and treat them the same. Personally I think drinking a beer and doing a hit of meth have quite different effects and have a different degree of possibility of addiction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #77 April 18, 2006 QuoteWell, hell! There's a black market in cupcakes. Do you think the Rotary Club Ladies' Auxiliary bake sales get proper health licenses and report their income? I don't see the old ladies machine gunning their rivals though. Sheesh! Some people really can't think past their propaganda training, can they? Thanks for debating the issue.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #78 April 18, 2006 QuoteHeroin Users don't usually attack people or shoot themselves in a chemical induced rage. they just throw up and suffocate. Heroin users attack people or shoot themselves when in a rage induced by lack of chemicals. Seriously. Junkies account for a fairly large percentage of petty criminals. With their fixes, they are usually well behaved. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #79 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteYeah Heroin Users don't usually attack people or shoot themselves in a chemical induced rage. they just throw up and suffocate. So would you have any trouble with allowing a 14 year old to legally use heroin? here I will post it again in case you didn't read it "how about tying it to the age of military service/ right to vote? " Seems very logical Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #80 April 18, 2006 Quote Personally I think drinking a beer and doing a hit of meth have quite different effects and have a different degree of possibility of addiction. I guess you don't know any alcoholics then. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #81 April 18, 2006 QuoteYou will never see the removal of all black market. But I see it as being greatly reduced. I agree with that. I am comenting on the statement that legalization will remove the problem. And to find out how many libertarions are okay with legalization of all controled substances. How about prescription meds, should they be available over the counter to all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #82 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteHeroin Users don't usually attack people or shoot themselves in a chemical induced rage. they just throw up and suffocate. Heroin users attack people or shoot themselves when in a rage induced by lack of chemicals. Seriously. Junkies account for a fairly large percentage of petty criminals. With their fixes, they are usually well behaved. exactly and if it were legal and cheap we wouldn't have that problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #83 April 18, 2006 QuoteActually, they all have different effects. Agreed, but I still would say that alcohol is just as addictive as meth or heroin, if given to the right person. QuoteAnd trust me, meth is a HUGE fucking problem. Unfortunately, I have to agree with that too. Meth is bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #84 April 18, 2006 >I guess you don't know any alcoholics then. ?? If everyone who drank was an alcoholic, then your statement would make sense. But most people _do_ drink, and are not alcoholics. Which would seem to indicate that, for most people, drinking a beer does NOT lead to alcoholism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #85 April 18, 2006 Quote>I guess you don't know any alcoholics then. ?? If everyone who drank was an alcoholic, then your statement would make sense. But most people _do_ drink, and are not alcoholics. Which would seem to indicate that, for most people, drinking a beer does NOT lead to alcoholism. And smoking a joint does not lead to doing meth and going on a rampage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #86 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou will never see the removal of all black market. But I see it as being greatly reduced. I agree with that. I am comenting on the statement that legalization will remove the problem. And to find out how many libertarions are okay with legalization of all controled substances. How about prescription meds, should they be available over the counter to all? Legalization does not necessarily mean straight over-the-counter. It does not have to mean a free for all. This is one issue where I lean towards legalization for most substances, but there would still be control and regulation. And it would be taxed all to hell too.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #87 April 18, 2006 QuoteI guess you don't know any alcoholics then. sigh...yes both are addictive....in my mind to differing degrees. To you I guess they are the same.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #88 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteI guess you don't know any alcoholics then. sigh...yes both are addictive....in my mind to differing degrees. To you I guess they are the same.... Alchohol may have killed more people than any other drug on earth btw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #89 April 18, 2006 Quote>I guess you don't know any alcoholics then. ?? If everyone who drank was an alcoholic, then your statement would make sense. But most people _do_ drink, and are not alcoholics. Which would seem to indicate that, for most people, drinking a beer does NOT lead to alcoholism. Everyone who uses illegal drugs is not a drug addict. There are millions who use illegal drugs sociially, with no ill effects on you or society. Who are these people? They are your doctors, dentists, bus drivers, teachers, and politicians. And on the question of another message - Yes, OTC meds should be available without a prescription. The only exception might be antibiotics or other drugs that bacteria can adapt to with overuse. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #90 April 18, 2006 >And smoking a joint does not lead to doing meth and going on a rampage . . . ?? No one said it did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #91 April 18, 2006 Quote>And smoking a joint does not lead to doing meth and going on a rampage . . . ?? No one said it did. Ah fuck Bill I clicked on the wrong one to respond to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #92 April 18, 2006 Quote[ Yes, OTC meds should be available without a prescription. This statement is redundant. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #93 April 18, 2006 Quote>I guess you don't know any alcoholics then. ?? If everyone who drank was an alcoholic, then your statement would make sense. But most people _do_ drink, and are not alcoholics. Which would seem to indicate that, for most people, drinking a beer does NOT lead to alcoholism. There are people who do meth that are not addicts. I have seen enough people addicted to both, and enough people who use without abusing, that I really can't say which one is more addictive. They are very similar drugs, yet the fact that society has approved of one of them and not the other makes them appear to be quite different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #94 April 18, 2006 Quoteexactly and if it were legal and cheap we wouldn't have that problem And now we have gone full circle. Accept that for a large part of the population it would still be illegal and therefor hard to get. Driving up the price on the black market, resulting in the same problems you have now. Maybe to a lesser degree. The question would be, how much lesser. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #95 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuote[ Yes, OTC meds should be available without a prescription. This statement is redundant. Shit.... You know what I meant! Prescription meds should be available OTC. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #96 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteexactly and if it were legal and cheap we wouldn't have that problem And now we have gone full circle. Accept that for a large part of the population it would still be illegal and therefor hard to get. Driving up the price on the black market, resulting in the same problems you have now. Maybe to a lesser degree. The question would be, how much lesser. gee how shall I say this?... WRONG go to Amsterdam and tell me how much black market drug dealing is going on today vs. 25yrs ago? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #97 April 18, 2006 Quotegee how shall I say this?... WRONG go to Amsterdam and tell me how much black market drug dealing is going on today vs. 25yrs ago? I grew up in The Hague, roughly 45 minutes from Amsterdam. I lived there for over 24 years. I am well aware of the drug policies of The Netherlands. No drug is legal in The Netherlands. There is a huge market in illegal drugs in The Netherlands. There is a problem with illegal prostitution. There is an ongoing problem with underage prostitution. If you believe that there is no or limited criminal involvement in the legal prostitution in The netherlands, then you have obviously never gone beyond walking the red light district. I have been reading dutch newspapers for quite some time....where are you getting all your info on Amsterdam from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #98 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuotegee how shall I say this?... WRONG go to Amsterdam and tell me how much black market drug dealing is going on today vs. 25yrs ago? I grew up in The Hague, roughly 45 minutes from Amsterdam. I lived there for over 24 years. I am well aware of the drup policies of The Netherlands. No drug is legal in The Netherlands. There is a huge market in illegal drugs in The Netherlands. There is a problem with illegal prostitution. There is an ongoing problem with underage prostitution. If you believe that there is no or limited criminal involvement in the legal prostitution in The netherlands, then you have obviously never gone beyond walking the red light district. I have been reading dutch newspapers for quite some time....where are you getting all your info on Amsterdam from? been there several times and there is a huge difference over the last 25 years Had friends who lived there and I was only a short drive from there where I lived(by american standards) I never said drugs were LEGAL there I was merely using the efforts they have made there to reduce drug related crime as an example...would you like it to be the way it used to be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #99 April 18, 2006 Quotebeen there several times and there is a huge difference over the last 25 years okay well that settles it then. You visited there a couple of times. I guess you also stayed at a Holiday Inn while there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #100 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuotebeen there several times and there is a huge difference over the last 25 years okay well that settles it then. You visited there a couple of times. I guess you also stayed at a Holiday Inn while there? no usually with some chick or hotel Pulitzer why?...and yeah I had only been there >100x Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
