warpedskydiver 0 #51 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuote It is a total failure, and the whole thing needs to just stop. We have people in jail for YEARS for pot, clogging the lagal system and costing taxpayers THOUSANDS for no damn good reason. It pure madness. Thousands? I'd guess the cost would be somewhere in the 100 billion+ range... maybe he meant each person thousands Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #52 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuote It is a total failure, and the whole thing needs to just stop. We have people in jail for YEARS for pot, clogging the lagal system and costing taxpayers THOUSANDS for no damn good reason. It pure madness. Thousands? I'd guess the cost would be somewhere in the 100 billion+ range... I was saying EACH taxpayer had spent thousands on the war on drugs. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #53 April 18, 2006 YHea it sounds like i would. I will have to read up on it.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #54 April 18, 2006 Ah.... I'm slow today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #55 April 18, 2006 Talk to Shawn and I about it - we're pretty passionate about the Libertarian party/ideals; and you know Shawn, when he's interested in something he can talk about it for hours. Plus, its a good excuse for us to come over and check out your new XBox JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #56 April 18, 2006 Dude when will you be over. Let me know when you got time to hang out i'll cook some food and we can chill.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #57 April 18, 2006 QuoteGet a friend to buy it for them, the same way they get friends over 21 to buy them beer. I sincerely doubt the answer is quite that simple. Meth and heroin have a bit of a different effect on the body and psychy of a person than alcohol. Just legalize it really is, in my opinion, a bit of a too simplistic answer. At what age should it be legal? Should it be like tobacco, or should it be like alcohol. Or should it just be legal for everybody, regardless of age? How about prostitution? Should it be legal for a 12 year old girl to sell her body for money? How about a 14 year old? What would be the age limit? Do you really think that solves a problem, or just shifts the problem to a different area? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #58 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteGet a friend to buy it for them, the same way they get friends over 21 to buy them beer. I sincerely doubt the answer is quite that simple. Meth and heroin have a bit of a different effect on the body and psychy of a person than alcohol. Just legalize it really is, in my opinion, a bit of a too simplistic answer. At what age should it be legal? Should it be like tobacco, or should it be like alcohol. Or should it just be legal for everybody, regardless of age? How about prostitution? Should it be legal for a 12 year old girl to sell her body for money? How about a 14 year old? What would be the age limit? Do you really think that solves a problem, or just shifts the problem to a different area? how about tying it to the age of military service/ right to vote? Seems very logical Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #59 April 18, 2006 QuoteMeth and heroin have a bit of a different effect on the body and psychy of a person than alcohol. Not really... addictive personalites are addictive personalities - give them any addictive drug and they will most likely become addicted to it. I don't know that legalization would help such problems, but making it a crime has obviously not solved the problem. As for the prostitution thing, it should be legal for an adult woman to sell her body for money - who are we to tell her what she should do with her own body? A 12-year-old or a 14-year-old? Now we're getting into questions of when a person should be able to make important decisions for themselves... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #60 April 18, 2006 QuoteAs for the prostitution thing, it should be legal for an adult woman to sell her body for money - who are we to tell her what she should do with her own body? A 12-year-old or a 14-year-old? Now we're getting into questions of when a person should be able to make important decisions for themselves... I agree for an adult, the question of when one becomes an adult is really secondary. it just indicates that there will always be an illegal form of prostitution, with a criminal element attached to it. QuoteNot really... addictive personalites are addictive personalities - give them any addictive drug and they will most likely become addicted to it. I agree, but not quite what I meant. have you ever seen a 18 year old who has been on a three day meth bender? Let me tell you, it is quite a bit different from someone who has been drunk for 3 days.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #61 April 18, 2006 Quote I sincerely doubt the answer is quite that simple. Meth and heroin have a bit of a different effect on the body and psychy of a person than alcohol. Really? I rarely hear of someone doing heroin and then beating the shit out of his wife., or kids, but it happens all the time with alcohol. And do the current laws stop people from doing these drugs? Heck no. It is not even a deterrent. Quote Just legalize it really is, in my opinion, a bit of a too simplistic answer. At what age should it be legal? 18 - you can vote, die in a war, and be tried as an adult, so an adult you are. Quote Should it be like tobacco, or should it be like alcohol. Or should it just be legal for everybody, regardless of age? 18 Quote How about prostitution? Should it be legal for a 12 year old girl to sell her body for money? How about a 14 year old? What would be the age limit? 18 - you can vote, die in a war, and be tried as an adult, so an adult you are. And I highly doubt there would be a huge rush of 18 year old girls hoping to whore themselves out if it were legal. Generally those who do it could care less if it is legal or not, so the law is not the deterrent. The deterrent is the social stigma, self-esteem, fear of disease, etc. Those things would not change if the law was relaxed. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #62 April 18, 2006 Quote I agree, but not quite what I meant. have you ever seen a 18 year old who has been on a three day meth bender? Let me tell you, it is quite a bit different from someone who has been drunk for 3 days.... You abviously never saw me in my college days. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #63 April 18, 2006 all those answers are nice. But fact remains that an illegal element remains in place. With that illegal element comes a criminal side. So, what have you really solved? Personally I see heroin and alcohol quite a bit differently. Yes both can be addictive, I do tend to believe that recreational heroin use is slightly more difficult than recreational alcohol use due to the effects of the substance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #64 April 18, 2006 QuoteYou abviously never saw me in my college days. on meth or alcohol? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #65 April 18, 2006 QuoteI agree, but not quite what I meant. have you ever seen a 18 year old who has been on a three day meth bender? Let me tell you, it is quite a bit different from someone who has been drunk for 3 days.... Yep, I've seen an 18-year-old meth addict on a three-day bender, and I've seen an 18-year-old alcoholic on a three-day bender. Both were scary, and neither can say that they are better than the other one. Alcohol is easily as dangerous of a drug as meth is. If you think otherwise, then you are horribly misinformed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #66 April 18, 2006 Quoteall those answers are nice. But fact remains that an illegal element remains in place. With that illegal element comes a criminal side. So, what have you really solved?Quote well they wouldn't be illegal so no crime would be involved due to lack of profit in it. Personally I see heroin and alcohol quite a bit differently. Yes both can be addictive, I do tend to believe that recreational heroin use is slightly more difficult than recreational alcohol use due to the effects of the substance. Yeah Heroin Users don't usually attack people or shoot themselves in a chemical induced rage. they just throw up and suffocate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #67 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou abviously never saw me in my college days. on meth or alcohol? Alcohol. I was quite a mess at times. Why is it OK that people drink themselves into a stupor, but not OK when someone wants to do heroin? Same result. You only feel OK about alcohol because you have experienced it (probably), but have not experienced heroin. It's like a wuffo who thinks all skydivers are completely insane. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bmcd308 0 #68 April 18, 2006 Society can absorb big shocks. Some shocks are absorbed without a whole lot of fanfare, like the repeal of Prohibition. Some take generations or even centuries to overcome, like the repeal of slavery. That social changes might be perceived as difficult does not mean that making them is not the right thing to do. If our current government were suddenly replaced with a libertarian government, would there be massive problems? Oh, hell yes. Why? We are not used to living as free people and would have a tough time adapting at first. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #69 April 18, 2006 Quoteall those answers are nice. But fact remains that an illegal element remains in place. With that illegal element comes a criminal side. So, what have you really solved? You will never see the removal of all black market. But I see it as being greatly reduced.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #70 April 18, 2006 QuoteYou will never see the removal of all black market. But I see it as being greatly reduced. Well, hell! There's a black market in cupcakes. Do you think the Rotary Club Ladies' Auxiliary bake sales get proper health licenses and report their income? I don't see the old ladies machine gunning their rivals though. Sheesh! Some people really can't think past their propaganda training, can they? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #71 April 18, 2006 Quotehow's that 'war on drugs' going? In the 25 years since the war started, Um, it's been a bit longer than 25 years, sir. The term "War on Drugs" was actually from 1971 - so 45 years would be a better estimate. While I understand the convenience of blaming Reagan for it, let's take a quick look at when certan drugs were banned: Opium was first banned in San Francisco (damn, they were "forward-thinking) even back then) in 1875. In 1914, the Harrison Act "effectively" banned opium and cocaine. In 1920, alcohol was banned. In 1937, marijuana was taxed to illegality. In 1971, Nixon really commenced the large-scale "War on Drugs." I'm just searching for a little truth... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #72 April 18, 2006 QuoteThe term "War on Drugs" was actually from 1971 - so 45 years would be a better estimate. I'm 45 years old??? Why hasn't anyone told me this??? Oh wait, 2006 minus 1971 only equals 35, so I'm really not that old... so what are you talking about??? Hmm, the 'war on drugs' has probably been around ever since anyone had anything more important to do than minding their own business... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #73 April 18, 2006 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meth and heroin have a bit of a different effect on the body and psychy of a person than alcohol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not really... addictive personalites are addictive personalities - give them any addictive drug and they will most likely become addicted to it. Actually, they all have different effects. An addict on heroin is generally mellow and well-behaved. Of course, if he can't get his fix, then he becomes violent or a criminal. Anything to get the fix. Meth, on the other hand, sends people on benders. The dude who stile that tank in San Diego about 10 years ago was on meth. They are extremely unpredictable, and are similarly difficult to deal with when they cannot get a fix. Cocaine is a different beast - but more similar to meth. Drugs like alcohol are self-limiting in that the user passes out with large quantities. Cocaine, like meth, can keep a person awake to take more. And more. And more. Cocaine users generally spin outta control into a downward spiral, but usually are cognizant of themselves and their situation. LSD? There's no tellign what the individual person on the individual trip will do, but they are more of a danger to themselves than anyone else. PCP? There's some scary stuff. Each drug is so different that you've got to look at things without generalities. The cocaine and crack problems managed to extinguish themselves pretty well because the hardocre users managed to extinguish themselves. Meth was cheaper, easier to manufacture and move, and more available, so it's taking over. And trust me, meth is a HUGE fucking problem. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #74 April 18, 2006 Damned type-o's. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #75 April 18, 2006 QuoteYeah Heroin Users don't usually attack people or shoot themselves in a chemical induced rage. they just throw up and suffocate. So would you have any trouble with allowing a 14 year old to legally use heroin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 3 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Zipp0 1 #67 April 18, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou abviously never saw me in my college days. on meth or alcohol? Alcohol. I was quite a mess at times. Why is it OK that people drink themselves into a stupor, but not OK when someone wants to do heroin? Same result. You only feel OK about alcohol because you have experienced it (probably), but have not experienced heroin. It's like a wuffo who thinks all skydivers are completely insane. Zipp0 -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #68 April 18, 2006 Society can absorb big shocks. Some shocks are absorbed without a whole lot of fanfare, like the repeal of Prohibition. Some take generations or even centuries to overcome, like the repeal of slavery. That social changes might be perceived as difficult does not mean that making them is not the right thing to do. If our current government were suddenly replaced with a libertarian government, would there be massive problems? Oh, hell yes. Why? We are not used to living as free people and would have a tough time adapting at first. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #69 April 18, 2006 Quoteall those answers are nice. But fact remains that an illegal element remains in place. With that illegal element comes a criminal side. So, what have you really solved? You will never see the removal of all black market. But I see it as being greatly reduced.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #70 April 18, 2006 QuoteYou will never see the removal of all black market. But I see it as being greatly reduced. Well, hell! There's a black market in cupcakes. Do you think the Rotary Club Ladies' Auxiliary bake sales get proper health licenses and report their income? I don't see the old ladies machine gunning their rivals though. Sheesh! Some people really can't think past their propaganda training, can they? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #71 April 18, 2006 Quotehow's that 'war on drugs' going? In the 25 years since the war started, Um, it's been a bit longer than 25 years, sir. The term "War on Drugs" was actually from 1971 - so 45 years would be a better estimate. While I understand the convenience of blaming Reagan for it, let's take a quick look at when certan drugs were banned: Opium was first banned in San Francisco (damn, they were "forward-thinking) even back then) in 1875. In 1914, the Harrison Act "effectively" banned opium and cocaine. In 1920, alcohol was banned. In 1937, marijuana was taxed to illegality. In 1971, Nixon really commenced the large-scale "War on Drugs." I'm just searching for a little truth... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #72 April 18, 2006 QuoteThe term "War on Drugs" was actually from 1971 - so 45 years would be a better estimate. I'm 45 years old??? Why hasn't anyone told me this??? Oh wait, 2006 minus 1971 only equals 35, so I'm really not that old... so what are you talking about??? Hmm, the 'war on drugs' has probably been around ever since anyone had anything more important to do than minding their own business... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #73 April 18, 2006 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meth and heroin have a bit of a different effect on the body and psychy of a person than alcohol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not really... addictive personalites are addictive personalities - give them any addictive drug and they will most likely become addicted to it. Actually, they all have different effects. An addict on heroin is generally mellow and well-behaved. Of course, if he can't get his fix, then he becomes violent or a criminal. Anything to get the fix. Meth, on the other hand, sends people on benders. The dude who stile that tank in San Diego about 10 years ago was on meth. They are extremely unpredictable, and are similarly difficult to deal with when they cannot get a fix. Cocaine is a different beast - but more similar to meth. Drugs like alcohol are self-limiting in that the user passes out with large quantities. Cocaine, like meth, can keep a person awake to take more. And more. And more. Cocaine users generally spin outta control into a downward spiral, but usually are cognizant of themselves and their situation. LSD? There's no tellign what the individual person on the individual trip will do, but they are more of a danger to themselves than anyone else. PCP? There's some scary stuff. Each drug is so different that you've got to look at things without generalities. The cocaine and crack problems managed to extinguish themselves pretty well because the hardocre users managed to extinguish themselves. Meth was cheaper, easier to manufacture and move, and more available, so it's taking over. And trust me, meth is a HUGE fucking problem. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #74 April 18, 2006 Damned type-o's. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #75 April 18, 2006 QuoteYeah Heroin Users don't usually attack people or shoot themselves in a chemical induced rage. they just throw up and suffocate. So would you have any trouble with allowing a 14 year old to legally use heroin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
