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When should a country extradite a suspect? (In this case a man accused of being "Bin Laden's banker")

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Not pointing out South Africa specifically (though I do not agree with the policy you noted, the same issue, closer to home for me, is in Mexico too), but I would wager that any country that found itself with bin Laden in custody would be the focus of political and economic pressure the world has never known if that policy were cited as a reason for "keeping him". That's what could happen with the current US leadership. We all know what happened several years ago with different political leadership at the helm. :S
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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"MINE are bigger than yours. So there. Nyah!"

Before responding and perhaps even giving an unsolicited/anti American opinion, I really would need to see some form of comparison. I can then make an educated and probably cuturally superior judgement.B|B|
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Bin Laden is also a bit of an odd case.
He is now implicated in so many crimes in a variety of countries that he might end up facing charges in any number of those countries, with or without death penalty in those countries.
I would be pretty ambivalent if a country were to waive their highly held principles regarding extradition, or even appoint a special commission to try him. That decision would be up to the administration of the country that had him in custody.
I do maintain that executing him, or Saddam, would not be beneficial to suppressing terror globally. I also recognise that the US needs closure on the 9/11 episode, and that OBL's head on a stick would go a long way to achieving that.
What I'm basically driving at is, I have no easy answer to the situation.
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Not pointing out South Africa specifically (though I do not agree with the policy you noted, the same issue, closer to home for me, is in Mexico too), but I would wager that any country that found itself with bin Laden in custody would be the focus of political and economic pressure the world has never known if that policy were cited as a reason for "keeping him".



Hence my question. Most respondents posted that a country should abide by it's extradition treaties and it's own constitution. Isn't it therefore hipocritical and inconsistent to change the rules for someone such as Bin Laden?
Apart from that, my other problem with this issue is that, as everyone knows, South Africa's crime rate is already very high and by taking this stance I believe we are inviting even more criminals to seek a safe haven here.


To Juanesky: All countries have histories. Our's is not a particularly rosy one and it is easy to knock Tonto or any other South African, based on our country's past. However, as South African I am proud to live in a country in Africa which has just held it's third democratic elections - elections which have been hailed as the best ever held anywhere in Africa - extremely well organised, free, fair and peaceful (no mention even of 'hanging chads';)). If one spent all one's time dwelling on the past, there would be no country in the world that would be able to hold it's collective head very high.



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Not pointing out South Africa specifically (though I do not agree with the policy you noted, the same issue, closer to home for me, is in Mexico too), but I would wager that any country that found itself with bin Laden in custody would be the focus of political and economic pressure the world has never known if that policy were cited as a reason for "keeping him".



Hence my question. Most respondents posted that a country should abide by it's extradition treaties and it's own constitution. Isn't it therefore hipocritical and inconsistent to change the rules for someone such as Bin Laden?
Apart from that, my other problem with this issue is that, as everyone knows, South Africa's crime rate is already very high and by taking this stance I believe we are inviting even more criminals to seek a safe haven here.



Your question is valid. Is it hypocritical? -- No. Is it inconsistent? -- Yes.

It does point to a double-standard. However, double-standards and inconsistencies are abound all over the world. I really wonder how much it has been discussed diplomatically between countries. I know that if I had any say in it, I would be flexing every muscle to ensure in no uncertain terms, bin Laden is handed to the US (and if necessary, "or else").
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I guess your nick fitsyou well in spanish. I do not see a single mention of US in the first post, yet you still make a bad taste comment about the US out of the blue, and pretend to hide this under false pretensions.

Gracias por tu explicacion, Tonto.:|
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I guess your nick fitsyou well in spanish.


personnal attack...

do you not think they should also have to bring to court the people who trained and formed Ben Laden (eg CIA)
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Yes, they should, and while you are at it, please add those bankers who helped closing accounts of murdered people, hid stolen money, goods and gold in their banks, and pretend trying to amend their culpability after 50 years of denials?. EG Swizz banks:P
"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Oh wait. I'm a girl . I guess that means I have boobies instead



Yeah?

Well.

MINE are bigger than yours. So there. Nyah!

Bwaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

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Michele



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I guess your nick fitsyou well in spanish. I do not see a single mention of US in the first post, yet you still make a bad taste comment about the US out of the blue, and pretend to hide this under false pretensions.

Gracias por tu explicacion, Tonto.:|


The only country that i know of that reports to be actively searching for Bin Laden outside their frontier is the US (although they are more interested now in Irak) so it is not unreasonable to assume that the US would be the most interested in their extradition. To be honest i thought the first post meant the USA although it didn´t explicitly say it.
Tonto in spanish means silly, estupid (more stupid than silly since silly can be consider under some circumstances a term of endearment, and tonto not). That is a personal attack. If you want to do a personal attack, you should do so in a way that we all understand. Not only the poeple who speaks spanish. That way you give the greenies a chance to delete your post.

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If you want to do a personal attack, you should do so in a way that we all understand. Not only the poeple who speaks spanish. That way you give the greenies a chance to delete your post.



In this case, considering the source, I don't think there was any doubt that the statement was likely to be abrasive, ill-considered, and offensive.:|

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There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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