PhillyKev 0 #1 April 20, 2004 Here's some actual votes, not quite what Bush is trying to convey about Kerry. Gee, sure looks like he votes against the miliitary and veterans, doesn't it. I specifically went back before 9/11 so that event wouldn't skew why he voted YES on these issues. See http://www.vote-smart.org for more. QuoteSenator John Forbes Kerry voted YES. Vote to authorize a military pay raise of 4.8 percent in 2000 and annual pay increases through 2006. S 4: Soldiers', Sailors', Airmen's, and Marines' Bill of Rights Act of 1999 Vote to pass a bill to authorize a military pay raise of 4.8 percent in 2000 and annual pay increases through 2006 of 0.5 percent above the inflation rate. The bill would also provide additional incentives to certain enlisted personnel who remain on active duty for an additional year, provide additional pension options and benefits, and establish a $180 per month allowance for members eligible for food stamps, among other provisions. Bill introduced by Warner, R-VA. (Bill passed 91-8 on 2/24/99) QuoteSenator John Forbes Kerry voted YES. Vote on a Conference Report that would authorize funds for defense program spending. S 1059: An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2000 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe personnel strengths for such fiscal year for the armed forces, and for other purposes. QuoteSenator John Forbes Kerry voted YES. Vote on a bill appropriating funds for Military Construction for Fiscal Year 2000 S 1205: Military Construction Appropriations Act, 2000 Vote on a bill appropriating $8.3 billion in funds for Military Construction for Fiscal Year 2000. Among other provisions, the bill includes $1.07 billion for Army construction, $784 million for Air Force construction, $771 million for defense wide projects, $638 million for National Guard and reserve construction projects, $261 million for a chemical weapon demilitarization project, and $100 million toward NATO's security investment program. Bill introduced by Burns, R-MT. (Bill passed 97-2 on 6/16/99) QuoteSenator John Forbes Kerry voted YES. Vote to pass a bill to authorize $264.7 billion in defense spending for the Department of Defense. S 1122 Fiscal Year 2000 Defense Appropriation Vote to pass a bill to authorize $264.7 billion in defense spending for the department of Defense. Bill introduced by Stevens, R-AK (Bill passed 93-4 on 6/8/99) QuoteSenator John Forbes Kerry voted YES. Vote on an amendment to transfer $329 million from the Defense Department to the Veterans Affairs Department for veterans health care programs. S 2057: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1999 Vote on an amendment to transfer $329 million from the Defense Department to the Veterans Affairs Department for veterans health care programs. The transfer would be conducted by the Secretary of Defense in a manner which 'causes the least significant harm' to military readiness and to military personnel's quality of life. Amendment introduced by Harkin, D-IA; bill introduced by Thurmond, R-SC. (Amendment rejected 38-55 on 6/25/98) QuoteSenator John Forbes Kerry voted YES. Vote to override the veto of a bill disapproving President Clinton's line-item veto of 38 projects in the fiscal year 1998 Military Construction appropriations bill. HR 2631: Line Item Veto Cancellation Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #2 April 21, 2004 Would that be the very same Bush whose SecDef said "We know where they are"? Would that be the very same Bush that said to the nation in January 2002 that the "deficit will be small and short term"? Would that be the same Bush that made a speech praising veterans at the Walter Reed Vet's Hospital on the very same day his administration proposed a reduction in veterans' benefits? Is there a pattern here?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #3 April 21, 2004 These quotes are meaningless as presented. For the appropriations, what were the initial authorizations? What was asked for? What were the mark-ups/downs? For the authorizations - what was asked for initially? For the line item veto over-rides - what programs? Pork or vital concerns? As for Bush's accusations - let's hear which ones are false.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 April 21, 2004 Do you want me to quote the entire text of every cnogressional session. Look it up if you don't like the quotes, I provided a link and it's a matter of public record. What accusation of Bush's is false. How about his implications that Kerry always votes against funding for troops and health care for veterans in his campaign commercials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #5 April 21, 2004 His implications? And what are they based upon there, PK? FACTS. Do you even know the difference between an authorization and an appropriation? There is a HUGE difference between the two, and it's not just administrative in nature. These facts are meaningless. If you can't see that, well, that's your problem.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 April 21, 2004 Arguing with you is pointless. You never even attempt to see anything differently than what you already believe. I put this out there so that unlike Bush's ads that try to convey Kerry voted numerous times against military spending and veteran's benefits (in actuality, he voted no once against a single bill that happened to have those issues as very small amendments) when these issues are the main subject of a bill, he has voted yes. Bush says he voted no, he clearly voted yes. If you believe there is some sub-motive regarding authorization and appropriations, than show the numbers, don't just speculate. You're making assumptions based on your bias. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #7 April 21, 2004 Quote You never even attempt to see anything differently than what you already believe. You never give me a reason to...still waiting on CNN's intense coverage and analysis of Sen. Dodd's comments, by the way. Quote I put this out there so that unlike Bush's ads that try to convey Kerry voted numerous times against military spending and veteran's benefits (in actuality, he voted no once against a single bill that happened to have those issues as very small amendments) when these issues are the main subject of a bill, he has voted yes. There you go again. You apparently don't get the voting process and how it occurs, how often votes are taken, etc. QuoteBush says he voted no, he clearly voted yes. Can't discern that from what you presented. QuoteIf you believe there is some sub-motive regarding authorization and appropriations, than show the numbers, don't just speculate. 'then' not 'than' - non sequitur. A comparison of the authorized amount with the appropriated amount and the votes regarding each are necessary to understand the impact of Kerry's vote - at a MINIMUM. Other facts would be needed to understand in all actuality, but those two would be what I would require at the outset. The facts you presented are about as helpful as the 'Pickering was reversed 15 times!' factoids the leftist imbeciles were throwing out in vain attempts to paint him as an incompetent judge. Quote You're making assumptions based on your bias. No, I'm making conclusions based on facts - and you've presented nothing useful.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,600 #8 April 21, 2004 Putting others down doesn't make someone smarter and more articulate than others -- one exists on one's own merits, not in comparison with others. To me, the evidence of a number of votes in favor of military appropriations, and the knowledge that the RNC ad is apparently based on a vote in which those military appropriations was not a major player, is at least a signal that there is more to the story. It would not make me agree more with Kerry -- it would just make me question the RNC ads' truthfulness. Disagreeing with one side doesn't mean one agrees wit the other. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 April 21, 2004 QuoteDisagreeing with one side doesn't mean one agrees wit the other. That's a nice point, however, it seems that the current election is exactly that, so far. Hope it changes. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
