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Should chidren be at the DZ?

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If your son is 11, he should be well on his way to being proficient at packing your parachute for you.



I like having him take pictures. . .he is a very proficient photographer. . .
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Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ
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Darcy

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But similar to your childhood, I grew up around airports. My fondest childhood memories are of being in one of my dads taildraggers - he had a Ryan (PT22 - open cockpit two seater), a Cessna 170 and a Luscomb (Sp?). He used to fly in air shows. I knew where I could and couldn't be at the airport and all of my dads friends knew me. It was a great childhood and gave me my love of flying. The difference is I just choose to fly my body instead of a plane. . .lol

It would be a poor repayment of that education if I did not return the favor to my son. That is why I take him. . .
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Darcy

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Of course, I’m not talking about having kids around after dark or at parties.



We have a trailer at the DZ (pop-up tent trailer) so if we're going to stay overnight we have a safe place for the kids to sleep (as well as for us. :)
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Today, if someone else’s kid walks up to me while I’m packing or walking off the DZ, I answer their questions and might even try and teach them something. The kids are our future skydivers. I might tell them to watch stepping over the lines or to take their coke can a good distance away from my parachute. But that’s not a big deal.



Exactly. They're getting educated about skydiving. Obviously we don't let our 19 month old run loose through the packing area (although he gets loose once in a while, then everybody is fair game for hugs, he's a funny duck ;)) but my other two have sat and asked questions of other skydivers, learned a lot, and I suspect taught some people some things about kids too - namely that they CAN be decently behaved and fun to be around. Fortunately we haven't seen any negative responses about our kids - if it happens we'll deal with the situation as appropriate.

Sometimes the tandems bring kids, and my kids are the mini-hosts. ;)

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I think it totally depends on the kids, the parents, and the drop zone. I have been to drop zones where kids were ever present and they were great. Then again... I have spent a lot of time at other drop zones with a child or children present who were likely the spawn of Satan. >:( The parents were ok though.

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Any ways, kids are kids, no matter how much you parent them, they still do things to test you. You can tell them a hundred million times that going into the packing area is not safe and why and they still will do it, because they see some wuffo's kid in there playing on the creepers. You can even punish them for doing it and the next time it will happen again...




I disagree here. Granted kids get into trouble but they are trainable. My children do not behave the way I see many kids behave.

Mine have NEVER thrown a tantrum. If I say no they know better than to question me. Every action has consequences and they know this, have been taught this from day one. I am not lenient by any means.

You can let your children be children and still instill discipline in them. Very few times have my children done something, been told not to do it, and done it again. Never have I had to repeat it three times. The second time the punishment was enough to make a third time not worth it.

My wife and I are constantly complimented on the behvior of our children when we go out in public. And at the drop zone, they stay out of the hanger, out of the rigger's loft, away from the landing area and away from the plane. They do not touch others gear (NOT EVEN MINE). They stick to the picnic tables and the play area.

Not all kids need constant direct supervision, even at a drop zone. I think it depends on the child, the parent, the attitude of the jumpers, and the dropzone. Of course of all the DZ's (been to 4) that my family as been to only the jumpers at SGC actually made them feel welcome.

That is why I pretty much go without them now. Sad that I cannot include my family in something that brings me great joy.

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Mine have NEVER thrown a tantrum.



oh come on NEVER ever? I don't believe that, all kids do...my daughter has to be the most stubborn girl I have ever meet. Granted all kids are different. I only remeber my son have a tantrum once at three, but my daughter throws them over anything and everything. It doesn't matter what I do or say, she does it, she is going to be two in June. She would ask for a drink while I am in the middle of the dishes and I would tell her just a min and she would throw a fit. I am not going to drop everything just to get her a drink when she demands one, what is that teaching her? Of course that would stop her screaming and crieing, but all it is going to do is make her think that mommy is here to serve her as soon as she speaks, not a good thing to teach your children. Now, I know some kids are way more well behaved but you can't exactly blame the parents. All kids are totally differnt in everything. When my son was little he was so laid back and easy going, now he is hyper and can sit still for two seconds...because that is the way he is, not because of the way I raised him. My daughter on the other hand is very stubborn and active, which makes me think that maybe when she is her borther's age if she will settle down and be the total oppoisite of the way he is now. Who knows, but I would really like to know how you kept your children when they were two to not throw tantrums? That is part of growing up, from what I have read in parenting magazines is that they all do it at some point and as long as you don't give in to it, they will eventually stop and grow out of it.

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No never. Sorry if you find that hard to believe but I have never had that problem.

Do they disobey? yes.

Are they perfect? no


Tantrums? No. Never, not even once has it been an issue.

And it could very well be that it is just not in any of their personalities. I don't know, but tantrums have NEVER been an issue.

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The big fault out there is that skydivers:

they do walk over gear laying on the ground,kids do as grown ups,but kids=shorter legs,which means they cant take the big step the rest of us does.

they ask kids to help them packing their canopy

after thouse things how will you then have the kids to understand not to walk over gear,even if its in a hurry,its in hurry evryone make mistakes and kids do them aswell...



I'm not responsible for peoples children forming bad habits. I walk over people gear (of course, w/o stepping on it). It would be like a landmine if I had to walk around everything on a busy day. I am not willing to do that I can set a good example for your kids. Sorry.

My opinion varies. I think some children are well behaved and I don't mind them at the dz. Others are hellions and they annoy me. I think that parents know what catagory their kids fall in, and should work to rectify the problem if theirs are in catagory b, else they should find a sitter.

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Angela,

In my experience, parent's whose kids fall into category B- Hellions- seem to think the opposite, their kids are angels and we should all be honored by their presence! Sad, since this thread is really about them but they won't recognize themselves or their kids!

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If anyone thinks their child(ren) are perfect angels, they need a wake up call! I must say that my children are perfect angels, when they are asleep, for the rest of the time, they are total monsters...cute and I love them, but sometimes I just want to get away from them. Maybe being a single mother for so long has gotten to me and now that I am with someone who loves my kids as much as I do...unlike their real father, it is so easy to get away for alone time, but then I get use to that alone time, and I want more....Now don't get me wrong my kids are great and I love them, but they are far from perfect angels. Kids tend to get into trouble and act out at some point, some just more than others, some are more extreme than others and some should be locked up and never realised...

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Where is the option for "Hell no." and "This ain't daycare"?



JP, go get married and have kids why don't you. . .:S
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Darcy

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JP, go get married and have kids why don't you. . .



Hey I like kids, but there are some places they don't belong.

Bars

Stripclubs

Dropzones


I don't want to be saving anymore from walking out into the landingarea, or runway, I'm tired of keeping them off my gear, and I'll be damned if I'm going to change the "adult" subjects often discused on a DZ just because someone is playing "daycare" on the DZ....
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I walk over people gear


not mine,if i catch you in so i will tell you not to. sorry,but if your so busy that you dont have the sec to go arround do you then have the time to tell me if you acsidential fucked my packjob up?

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I think some children are well behaved and I don't mind them at the dz. Others are hellions and they annoy me.


there are always thouse 2 kind of kids,sad to thouse kids that behavie,that the bad kids make it worse to thouse who knows how to behaive...

Just look arround in dz.com how many in here(not kids anymore through) who has spend most their life on a dz... most of them knew how to behaive on a dz,and the dz is a part of their life,even if they hadnt started jumping it would still be a place they would go as its a nice place...

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I think that parents know what catagory their kids fall in,


sadly not,if parents thourght their kids couldnt behaive wouldnt they start to teach them to???

I know i have no problems by my kids(normaly parent statement i know),but i know it as i by 4 years has taken my kids to the dz,and evryone there enjoys them arround.Jumpers and staff knows my strickt rules and they help me to keep them up.that means that if im not there it dosnt mean they can do as they please...

just please dont take all kids as one kid.. that aint fair to thouse who knows what to do and what not to do at a dz...

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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In my experience, parent's whose kids fall into category B- Hellions- seem to think the opposite, their kids are angels and we should all be honored by their presence! Sad, since this thread is really about them but they won't recognize themselves or their kids!


so you think im in that place or did i just misunderstood your post???

its sad if you think all kids are bad if so i hope you dont get kids[:/]

Stay safe
Stefan Faber

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My post wasn't directed at anyone (or anyone's kids) in particular. Just a general statement. People with the worst behaved kids usually don't recognize it.

Sorry if I come off as anti-child. I do like kids, even though I don't have any of my own and probably never will. My friends and family that do have kids would tell you I am one of the best Aunties in the world! But I've seen more than enough unsupervised kids running around the dz to know its a problem. I'd like to think my dz has a handle on the issue right now, but we've had our share of problems! There are lots of kids there every weekend, and the parents seem to work together to make sure they are looked after properly. Its great to watch the little ones grow up, week after week, year after year!

Someone else posted "rules" that she and her child follow when they are at the DZ. I thought they were great- very basic, very much common sense! If every parent who brought their kids out to the dz had a similar set of rules, kids would be welcome at more dzs.

maura

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My daughter is ten, she goes to the DZ with me all the time. She goes unsupervised quite often while there as well. She knows 'the rules' and the fact I will come down on her like a ton of bricks if she does not follow them.
Kids are welcome at our DZ, most of my fellow jumpers are quite friendly with the children running around. There is a play set there for them as well.

Jeff

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If anyone thinks their child(ren) are perfect angels, they need a wake up call! I must say that my children are perfect angels, when they are asleep, for the rest of the time, they are total monsters...cute and I love them, but sometimes I just want to get away from them. Maybe being a single mother for so long has gotten to me and now that I am with someone who loves my kids as much as I do...unlike their real father, it is so easy to get away for alone time, but then I get use to that alone time, and I want more....Now don't get me wrong my kids are great and I love them, but they are far from perfect angels. Kids tend to get into trouble and act out at some point, some just more than others, some are more extreme than others and some should be locked up and never realised...




Now THAT I will agree with you on! When mine get on my nerves (They play so damn loud sometimes) I just tie them, gag them and hit them with a little ether. Guarantees at least three hours of quiet time.:ph34r:

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i agree -- IT DEPENDS ON THE KIDS.

being an office bitch, the not-so-wonderful kids usually get dumped onto me while the parents are in the sky. well, i'm glad the parents are supporting the DZ but when they are B-A-D kids and/or need constant attention, that's where i draw the line.....

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Well I have always thought that the next big psychological disorder would be DZK way worse than ADD. Drop Zone Kid Syndrome. With the things that drop zone kids are exposed to, there is no way they are going to lead sane lives. I should know. Maybe this is not such a bad thing though.

I just keep waiting to see a comercial on TV advertising a medication you can take if you were a DZK.

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I don't think much of any kids need to be at a DZ after dark, but the older they are the less it bothers me.

I don't have a problem with older kids being at the DZ during the day, and the only time I have a problem with younger kids at the DZ during the day is when their parents expect everyone else to watch them.

Blues,
Dave
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A friend of mine owns a drop zone and he and his wife are kept busy working from sun up to sun down. If they didn't bring their youngest son to the DZ they probably wouldn't have time to even see him. I worry about what he is exposed to though. I mean many of my fellow jumpers are pretty crude. He's being exposed to lot of stuff that young kids shouldn't be. But then again if he was sitting home alone being raised by a TV set, that would probably be worse......I don't mind kids at the DZ. I haven't seen too many that were a problem. I just question what they are exposed to around a rowdy crowd of jumpers. It kind of embarasses me to even bring my grown daughters to our D.Z. Most jumpers have sense enough to turn off the foul language when it might offend others, but some don't. So that's my sermon for the day....Steve1(The Prude)

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