pajarito 0 #126 April 19, 2004 Gotta go. Be back in about an hour. Later... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #127 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuote What a woman does with her own body is not my business, and most certainly is not the Government's business. It's not just "her body." Review the pictures from post #5. until the fetus can support its own life functions it is absolutely 'her body'. I love how people call it a fetus, instead of an unborn child. That is opinion, not fact. The child is part of the mother, and may not be able to sustain life, however, the DNA and body is forming quickly, and the heart is beginning to beat. Most human beings don't form memories until they are several years old, does that make them any less human...or because a baby is part of its mother any less of a baby? Currently, these are issues that are being debated and hemmed and hawed about due to semantics and word choice. It seems as long as you don't use the name of something, then you may remain separated from it. The same concept apply to serial killers and their victims. Odd... ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #128 April 19, 2004 Quotea wart is alive and functioning as well, but cannot grow without a host. self sustaining is what makes it independant and there for equal wieght and consideration to other life of the same species This is your opinion yes.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #129 April 19, 2004 QuoteA virus (the flu, strep, staph, etc) is alive and functioning, shall we condem you for taking medications to kill an innocent virus or bacteria alive in your body? My impression is that limited intelligence is lurking? You are comparing a human being to a virus? This isn't the matrix you know.. Maybe you should take a good look at what being a parent means to you.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #130 April 19, 2004 If you'll notice, the numbered sentences, reflect other's opinions, and I shall add yours, which has already been pointed out by others, and is a given. Again, there is NO arguement going on, therefore there can be no "undermining". We are creating a list of side effects, as you pointed out, THANK YOU, not all of the effects are negative.. What is wrong with that?? #9 More babies will get a chance at life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #131 April 19, 2004 QuoteIt's none of your business either. By what "right" do you think you should be able to tell any woman what she can and can not do with her own body? What part of the fact that an unborn child in todays day and age had less rights then a dog don't you understand? It is my business what fellow human beings do to unborn children. It is very much my business as we are all part of humanity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #132 April 19, 2004 Interesting topic. In another "abortion debate" (which is what these things usually come to) I asked the same question. QuoteWhile the two of you are debating the fundamentals of this issue - I'm just as interested in the practicalities. You picked out so many points from my posts to respond but have yet to answer the one I question I put to you. And I would sincerely like to know your thoughts. "You've made your beliefs clear. You would like to see abortion outlawed. Let me ask you this...say abortion is now illegal. Then what? All of these biological accidents have now resulted in 1,000,000 children this year...now what?" I didn't get an answer either. I have yet to find a "pro-lifer" who will express thoughts on what a sudden reversal of legality might lead to. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #133 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteA virus (the flu, strep, staph, etc) is alive and functioning, shall we condem you for taking medications to kill an innocent virus or bacteria alive in your body? My impression is that limited intelligence is lurking? You are comparing a human being to a virus? This isn't the matrix you know.. Maybe you should take a good look at what being a parent means to you.. I take a good look at what being a parent means to me every day as I care for my child. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #134 April 19, 2004 Quote1. More single mothers would be out there high & dry 2. Pro-lifers and other such organizations would be out of work ( of course maybe they can then go care for the extra million kids each year) 3. Prevention would be worth a pound of cure 4. It is unlikely that we could handle the influx of children into the welfare system and other such agencies 5. Many more parents would be abandoning their newborn children at "safe havens" 6. Many couples willing to adopt would have no problem with a shortage 7. Some women would seek abortion illegally 8. Nannys would be in high demand 1. More fathers would get a say so in their childrens lives. Fathers should have equal rights when it comes to their children you know. 2. Do you think they do it because they enjoy it? Why don't you phone Hitler. He killed millions of innocent people too. You two have the same mindset. 3. Maybe people should have to take a common sense test to see if they should even be able to get pregnant? Maybe you would have failed? 4. Systems have a way of adapting. I am certain that those children will appreciate the chance at a life. Their lives that you so obviously take for granted. 5. Maybe if PARENTS did their jobs to begin with their kids wouldn't do such stupid things. Root Cause is bad parenting. Fix the root cause don't abort the babies because the parents are stupid. 6. true.. 7. And they will suffer the consequences. 8. true.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #135 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt's none of your business either. By what "right" do you think you should be able to tell any woman what she can and can not do with her own body? What part of the fact that an unborn child in todays day and age had less rights then a dog don't you understand? Quote Apparently I understand it better than you do. Regardless, it is not your business to tell any woman what she must or must not do with her own body, including forcing her to support a parasitic life if she does not want to. It's simply none of your business.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #136 April 19, 2004 QuoteIt is my business what fellow human beings do to unborn children. It is very much my business as we are all part of humanity What about the children that are already here and being neglected and abused? THese children definitely feel pain both emotionally and physically. Is that your business too? Do you volunteer at shelters or are you becoming a foster parent? Are you willing and able to go to an abortion clinic and offer to house and care for the mother till the baby is born and then raise that baby yourself? I know I'm veering off subject here but as you said.... we are all part of humanity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #137 April 19, 2004 What does it mean to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #138 April 19, 2004 QuoteInteresting topic. In another "abortion debate" (which is what these things usually come to) I asked the same question. I didn't get an answer either. I have yet to find a "pro-lifer" who will express thoughts on what a sudden reversal of legality might lead to. It is difficult I know, and you are probably right, if I am correct, most of my list has come from those of the pro-choice mindset. It's a shame, still it stays mostly to one side, but I shall keep trudging through because someone has to. Besides if noone was interested the thread would die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #139 April 19, 2004 I've answered many of your questions, now answer misskriss's and mine please before I answer you... she asked: Do you volunteer at shelters or are you becoming a foster parent? Are you willing and able to go to an abortion clinic and offer to house and care for the mother till the baby is born and then raise that baby yourself? I know I'm veering off subject here but as you said.... we are all part of humanity. and mine, do you care full time for your children, if not, then do you have children? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #140 April 19, 2004 You are right.. This is off topic... I do a number of things. I donate to Saint Jude every month. We sponsor a number of children in our country and in others. I volunteer my time as a mentor to children without fathers. QuoteDo you volunteer at shelters or are you becoming a foster parent? I sell legal plans to foster parents across the country to help in any way that I can. I then in turn donate a portion of that income to local churches. QuoteAre you willing and able to go to an abortion clinic and offer to house and care for the mother till the baby is born and then raise that baby yourself? That is the parent's job. The parent of the pregnant child. Or the father of the child. Or the mother's job. What? Is she helpless because she is pregnant? If she is old enough to get pregnant she can get a damned job. Not to mention the father of the child has responsibilites as well. If he is a dead beat she chose poorly and should have done her homework better. What about you? What do you do to help other than take your girls to pro-abortion rallies? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #141 April 19, 2004 Quote love how people call it a fetus, instead of an unborn child. That is opinion, not fact. fe·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fts) n. pl. fe·tus·es The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. How is calling a fetus a fetus an opinion? FACT, it is a fetus until it is born by definition. QuoteCurrently, these are issues that are being debated and hemmed and hawed about due to semantics and word choice. It seems as long as you don't use the name of something, then you may remain separated from it. It seems those using the word fetus are using the proper definition. You're the one trying to give it a different name to appeal to emotion and sentiment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflybella 0 #142 April 19, 2004 Ironically enough, if the proposed answers were compelling, I could easily rethink my position. I'm glad the debate rolls on! I'd just love for it not to be the same few arguments over and over again. In my best Breakfast Club shout: "Just answer the question!" Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #143 April 19, 2004 Quotefe·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fts) n. pl. fe·tus·es The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. How is calling a fetus a fetus an opinion? FACT, it is a fetus until it is born by definition. Do you honestly believe everything you read in a dictionary. Men and women that have OPINIONS wrote that book. Just because you quote it in the websters dictionary doesn't make it fact.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kpjumps 0 #144 April 19, 2004 Then perhaps people will think twice about hopin' in and out of bed with each other just cause... Perhaps STD's and AIDS numbers will decline... Perhaps more value will be place on human life... Perhaps people will stop using abortion as birth control... Perhaps teenage sex will decline... Perhaps we, as a society, will accept some personal responsibility for our choices (and get away from all this it's not my fault mantality {sp?}) Many people tend to forget that except in the case of rape and incest, the woman DID have a choice. She choose to engage in unprotected sex. That CAN and often does lead to BABIES! As far as leaving moms high and dry, perhaps laws that force dad's obligation can be enforced... If Daddy is involved... Perhaps he can teach his son that fathers have obligations to the women they choose to sleep with... Perhaps Daddy can teach his little girl that she is a princess and any man who doesn't treat her like one doesn't deserve her time or her affection... If you get an illegal abortion and it is not safe...perhaps we, as a society, will learn that if you play with fire you just might get burned... As an interesting side note... I was raped when I was 18. It was my FIRST sexual encounter. The "glob of cells" so many of you think has NO right to life under any circumstances is my son Kyle. He and I enjoyed breakfast at chick-fil-a this morning as a special treat before school. Most of the time he had me laughing doing his Star Wars impressions. He can't wait to join the military and fight for your right to have these arguments on the computer. To quote him "I may completely disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it!" And no, when I go into his room in the morning to wake him up I am not reminded of my worst nightmare nor do I see my attackers face. I see one of the most wonderful people I have ever had the good fortune to know. _________________Your character will ultimately determine your destiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #145 April 19, 2004 QuoteYou're the one trying to give it a different name to appeal to emotion and sentiment. IT is a human being.. A helpless child that depends on the woman carrying it to LIVE UP TO HER RESPONSIBILITY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #146 April 19, 2004 QuoteI didn't get an answer either. I have yet to find a "pro-lifer" who will express thoughts on what a sudden reversal of legality might lead to. Okay. I'll bite (though I don't consider myself the most zealous pro-lifer, as I have drawn certain lines, and the fact that I cannot convince myself that my non-viable child, whom I can feel moving and kick in my wife's belly, is not a human). What will it lead to? Short term 1. Pain (yep, childbirth hurts) 2. Jump in the birth rate 3. Rise in the costs of a socialist society 4. Hundreds of thousands of lives being turned upside down 5. Millions of new lives 6. A jump in the value of baby supply company stocks 7. A rise in the crime rate 8. A rise in the poverty rate 9. A lowering of the graduation rate 10.A rise in societal blame Long term 1. A societal belief that ill-informed decisions have life-long consequences (edited to add - actually, I'll say a societal education that ALL decisions have consequences, both good and bad. Positive choices have rewards, and so do negatives, if the lesson is learned.) 2. A gradual lowering of the birth rate 3. A gradual lowering in the spread of STD's 4. A gradual decrease in the poverty rate 5. A gradual societal move away from socialism 6. A gradual return to the nuclear family 7. A long-term economic boom 8. A rise in graduation rate (see #1, above) I think that society will feel like a heroin junkie going through DT's. There will be pain, terror, agony. Life will not seem to be worth living for a while. Over the years, as the individuals understand what the consequences are, better-informed decisions will arise. Remove the governmental hammock, I mean, "safety net" and people will have no choice but to decide, "Can I handle it if something goes wrong?" Then they'll act accordingly. It may be five or ten years down the road. ask Eric Clapton about his experiences withdrawing from heroin, and how much better off he is 30 years later. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #147 April 19, 2004 One of the most powerful responses I have read here yet. Good for you Kristin and God Bless you and Kyle. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflybella 0 #148 April 19, 2004 QuoteTo quote him "I may completely disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it!" And yet you will take away another woman's right to decide what's best for herself? You can't legislate personal responsibility!! Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #149 April 19, 2004 QuoteWhat about you? What do you do to help other than take your girls to pro-abortion rallies? http://www.marchforwomen.org/why/whywemarch.php?pid=58 Firstoff... "pro abortion" rally. Give me a break, Rob... And as to what I do. I have volunteered at Homeless Shelters and womens shelters. I've donated all of my baby items and maternity clothes, etc to places that offer abortion alternatives. I contribute monetarily as well. The point I was trying to make was not asking for a list of your good deeds, but that there are many children alive and well that need help. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I have also taught my girls that they have to take care of themselves...they are responsible for their bodies...I have told them what can happen if they choose not to protect themselves. Hopefully they will never be in a position to have to make a choice. What have I done??? I've started at home...where everyone should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #150 April 19, 2004 QuotePerhaps we, as a society, will accept some personal responsibility for our choices (and get away from all this it's not my fault mantality {sp?}) Many people tend to forget that except in the case of rape and incest, the woman DID have a choice. She choose to engage in unprotected sex. That CAN and often does lead to BABIES! Perhaps the anti-abortionists shouldn't be so vehement to shut down organizations that promote safe sex and provide condoms just because they also offer the option of abortion. I'm willing to bet Planned Parenthood prevents more unwanted pregnancies than it helps to terminate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 6 of 13 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
misskriss 0 #136 April 19, 2004 QuoteIt is my business what fellow human beings do to unborn children. It is very much my business as we are all part of humanity What about the children that are already here and being neglected and abused? THese children definitely feel pain both emotionally and physically. Is that your business too? Do you volunteer at shelters or are you becoming a foster parent? Are you willing and able to go to an abortion clinic and offer to house and care for the mother till the baby is born and then raise that baby yourself? I know I'm veering off subject here but as you said.... we are all part of humanity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #137 April 19, 2004 What does it mean to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #138 April 19, 2004 QuoteInteresting topic. In another "abortion debate" (which is what these things usually come to) I asked the same question. I didn't get an answer either. I have yet to find a "pro-lifer" who will express thoughts on what a sudden reversal of legality might lead to. It is difficult I know, and you are probably right, if I am correct, most of my list has come from those of the pro-choice mindset. It's a shame, still it stays mostly to one side, but I shall keep trudging through because someone has to. Besides if noone was interested the thread would die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #139 April 19, 2004 I've answered many of your questions, now answer misskriss's and mine please before I answer you... she asked: Do you volunteer at shelters or are you becoming a foster parent? Are you willing and able to go to an abortion clinic and offer to house and care for the mother till the baby is born and then raise that baby yourself? I know I'm veering off subject here but as you said.... we are all part of humanity. and mine, do you care full time for your children, if not, then do you have children? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #140 April 19, 2004 You are right.. This is off topic... I do a number of things. I donate to Saint Jude every month. We sponsor a number of children in our country and in others. I volunteer my time as a mentor to children without fathers. QuoteDo you volunteer at shelters or are you becoming a foster parent? I sell legal plans to foster parents across the country to help in any way that I can. I then in turn donate a portion of that income to local churches. QuoteAre you willing and able to go to an abortion clinic and offer to house and care for the mother till the baby is born and then raise that baby yourself? That is the parent's job. The parent of the pregnant child. Or the father of the child. Or the mother's job. What? Is she helpless because she is pregnant? If she is old enough to get pregnant she can get a damned job. Not to mention the father of the child has responsibilites as well. If he is a dead beat she chose poorly and should have done her homework better. What about you? What do you do to help other than take your girls to pro-abortion rallies? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #141 April 19, 2004 Quote love how people call it a fetus, instead of an unborn child. That is opinion, not fact. fe·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fts) n. pl. fe·tus·es The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. How is calling a fetus a fetus an opinion? FACT, it is a fetus until it is born by definition. QuoteCurrently, these are issues that are being debated and hemmed and hawed about due to semantics and word choice. It seems as long as you don't use the name of something, then you may remain separated from it. It seems those using the word fetus are using the proper definition. You're the one trying to give it a different name to appeal to emotion and sentiment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #142 April 19, 2004 Ironically enough, if the proposed answers were compelling, I could easily rethink my position. I'm glad the debate rolls on! I'd just love for it not to be the same few arguments over and over again. In my best Breakfast Club shout: "Just answer the question!" Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #143 April 19, 2004 Quotefe·tus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fts) n. pl. fe·tus·es The unborn young of a viviparous vertebrate having a basic structural resemblance to the adult animal. How is calling a fetus a fetus an opinion? FACT, it is a fetus until it is born by definition. Do you honestly believe everything you read in a dictionary. Men and women that have OPINIONS wrote that book. Just because you quote it in the websters dictionary doesn't make it fact.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpjumps 0 #144 April 19, 2004 Then perhaps people will think twice about hopin' in and out of bed with each other just cause... Perhaps STD's and AIDS numbers will decline... Perhaps more value will be place on human life... Perhaps people will stop using abortion as birth control... Perhaps teenage sex will decline... Perhaps we, as a society, will accept some personal responsibility for our choices (and get away from all this it's not my fault mantality {sp?}) Many people tend to forget that except in the case of rape and incest, the woman DID have a choice. She choose to engage in unprotected sex. That CAN and often does lead to BABIES! As far as leaving moms high and dry, perhaps laws that force dad's obligation can be enforced... If Daddy is involved... Perhaps he can teach his son that fathers have obligations to the women they choose to sleep with... Perhaps Daddy can teach his little girl that she is a princess and any man who doesn't treat her like one doesn't deserve her time or her affection... If you get an illegal abortion and it is not safe...perhaps we, as a society, will learn that if you play with fire you just might get burned... As an interesting side note... I was raped when I was 18. It was my FIRST sexual encounter. The "glob of cells" so many of you think has NO right to life under any circumstances is my son Kyle. He and I enjoyed breakfast at chick-fil-a this morning as a special treat before school. Most of the time he had me laughing doing his Star Wars impressions. He can't wait to join the military and fight for your right to have these arguments on the computer. To quote him "I may completely disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it!" And no, when I go into his room in the morning to wake him up I am not reminded of my worst nightmare nor do I see my attackers face. I see one of the most wonderful people I have ever had the good fortune to know. _________________Your character will ultimately determine your destiny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #145 April 19, 2004 QuoteYou're the one trying to give it a different name to appeal to emotion and sentiment. IT is a human being.. A helpless child that depends on the woman carrying it to LIVE UP TO HER RESPONSIBILITY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #146 April 19, 2004 QuoteI didn't get an answer either. I have yet to find a "pro-lifer" who will express thoughts on what a sudden reversal of legality might lead to. Okay. I'll bite (though I don't consider myself the most zealous pro-lifer, as I have drawn certain lines, and the fact that I cannot convince myself that my non-viable child, whom I can feel moving and kick in my wife's belly, is not a human). What will it lead to? Short term 1. Pain (yep, childbirth hurts) 2. Jump in the birth rate 3. Rise in the costs of a socialist society 4. Hundreds of thousands of lives being turned upside down 5. Millions of new lives 6. A jump in the value of baby supply company stocks 7. A rise in the crime rate 8. A rise in the poverty rate 9. A lowering of the graduation rate 10.A rise in societal blame Long term 1. A societal belief that ill-informed decisions have life-long consequences (edited to add - actually, I'll say a societal education that ALL decisions have consequences, both good and bad. Positive choices have rewards, and so do negatives, if the lesson is learned.) 2. A gradual lowering of the birth rate 3. A gradual lowering in the spread of STD's 4. A gradual decrease in the poverty rate 5. A gradual societal move away from socialism 6. A gradual return to the nuclear family 7. A long-term economic boom 8. A rise in graduation rate (see #1, above) I think that society will feel like a heroin junkie going through DT's. There will be pain, terror, agony. Life will not seem to be worth living for a while. Over the years, as the individuals understand what the consequences are, better-informed decisions will arise. Remove the governmental hammock, I mean, "safety net" and people will have no choice but to decide, "Can I handle it if something goes wrong?" Then they'll act accordingly. It may be five or ten years down the road. ask Eric Clapton about his experiences withdrawing from heroin, and how much better off he is 30 years later. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #147 April 19, 2004 One of the most powerful responses I have read here yet. Good for you Kristin and God Bless you and Kyle. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #148 April 19, 2004 QuoteTo quote him "I may completely disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it!" And yet you will take away another woman's right to decide what's best for herself? You can't legislate personal responsibility!! Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #149 April 19, 2004 QuoteWhat about you? What do you do to help other than take your girls to pro-abortion rallies? http://www.marchforwomen.org/why/whywemarch.php?pid=58 Firstoff... "pro abortion" rally. Give me a break, Rob... And as to what I do. I have volunteered at Homeless Shelters and womens shelters. I've donated all of my baby items and maternity clothes, etc to places that offer abortion alternatives. I contribute monetarily as well. The point I was trying to make was not asking for a list of your good deeds, but that there are many children alive and well that need help. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I have also taught my girls that they have to take care of themselves...they are responsible for their bodies...I have told them what can happen if they choose not to protect themselves. Hopefully they will never be in a position to have to make a choice. What have I done??? I've started at home...where everyone should. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #150 April 19, 2004 QuotePerhaps we, as a society, will accept some personal responsibility for our choices (and get away from all this it's not my fault mantality {sp?}) Many people tend to forget that except in the case of rape and incest, the woman DID have a choice. She choose to engage in unprotected sex. That CAN and often does lead to BABIES! Perhaps the anti-abortionists shouldn't be so vehement to shut down organizations that promote safe sex and provide condoms just because they also offer the option of abortion. I'm willing to bet Planned Parenthood prevents more unwanted pregnancies than it helps to terminate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
