misskriss 0 #51 April 19, 2004 whole new can of worms.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #52 April 19, 2004 Agreed......those same guys would most probably leave the mother high and dry with all expenses and responsibilities. Lots of other issues with that. Another worm can.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #53 April 19, 2004 QuoteI believe that BOTH parents should have to sign a consent in order for the procedure to take place. IF the woman doesn't know who the father is she should be prohibited from doing it until DNA testing confirms who the father is and a consent form is signed by the to be father. This is not well thought out.. first of all, I could say that ANY guy is the father..so that really won't help alone, and the very procedure that is necessary to determine DNA during pregnancy results in 1 death in every 200 tests as well as countless other risks to the health of the potential life. Oh, and as soon as you can carry the baby for us, I am more than willing to let you do that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #54 April 19, 2004 QuoteOh, and as soon as you can carry the baby for us, I am more than willing to let you do that! No thanks! I thank God every day that I was born male. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #55 April 19, 2004 QuoteScary viewpoint. I'm glad I made it through your standard of whether I'd be allowed to be born or not. Ummmm I have to agree...Lemme put it this way, I wouldn't be posting this right now if my biological grandmother at the ripe old age of 16 had decided to abort my mother...so does that mean that my mom was "mostly unwanted" and so should not have been given the chance at life...... I personally am pro-life, in terms of what I would do if I was stupid enough to have unprotected sex (this excludes rape and any other extenuating circumstances). In terms of what another woman should do, well that I leave up to them, and in that way I am pro-choice...But I know of a lot of couples who were unable to have children and so chose adoption. My best friend from HS is getting married in June...I guess she was a "mostly unwanted" baby, but she was given a chance at life and has a degree in ME and getting a job at Boeing. There are countless stories of babies being adopted from teen mothers or even from 20-somethings who felt they couldn't provide a happy, healthy life for a child and so gave up that child for adoption. Keep in mind that there are couples out there who could give these "mostly unwanted" children homes and families. ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #56 April 19, 2004 LOL!!! That's classic, brings a smile to my face!! I certainly understand the other side of the issue, though, and that is also important. So, so far we have these opinions: 1. More single mothers would be out there high & dry 2. Pro-lifers and other such organizations would be out of work ( of course maybe they can then go care for the extra million kids each year) 3. Prevention would be worth a pound of cure 4. It is unlikely that we could handle the influx of children into the welfare system and other such agencies 5. Many more parents would be abandoning their newborn children at "safe havens" 6. Many couples willing to adopt would have no problem with a shortage 7. ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #57 April 19, 2004 Quote5. Many more parents would be abandoning their newborn children at "safe havens" or garbage dumpsters or college dormitory bathroom toilets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #58 April 19, 2004 Quoteor garbage dumpsters or college dormitory bathroom toilets. Your probably right, but I'm thinking that anyone who would do that, would do it regardless of the issue at hand, ya know? Infuriating, I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #59 April 19, 2004 Yeah... I was just agreeing with you that so many children are abandoned. I was so thankful when "safe havens" were introduced. I don't think all states have adopted this though...would be great if they did. I remember there had been an unusually high number of babies left in dumpsters, in the woods, etc and a local hospital made PSA's telling women they could leave their babies with them no questions asked. I don't think another abandoned baby was found for a good long while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #60 April 19, 2004 QuoteScary viewpoint. I'm glad I made it through your standard of whether I'd be allowed to be born or not. I never set a standard, you have not understood my examples. These were only a couple of the scenarios in which women seek abortions, not a standard by which to have or not have an abortion. I was un-planned as well. Please do NOT CALL IT UNWANTED, because unless you were raised by someone besides your biological parents due to choice then you WERE WANTED, and simply unexpected. Do not confuse yourself *unless you are one of these* with the millions of children ALREADY who wonder why their parents didn't want or love them..what did they do wrong? That is an emotional scar that ruins lives, no joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #61 April 19, 2004 One of the actions of oral contraceptives is to create atrophic changes in the endometrium that are not conducive to implantation by the embryo. Do you support women using oral contraceptives? Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #62 April 19, 2004 Also masturbation by men should be outlawed because the ejaculate contains potential life... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #63 April 19, 2004 QuoteOne of the actions of oral contraceptives is to create atrophic changes in the endometrium that are not conducive to implantation by the embryo. Do you support women using oral contraceptives? Lindsey The purpose is not really to prevent implantation but to supress ovulation. Rarely, the result is preventing implantation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #64 April 19, 2004 QuoteAlso masturbation by men should be outlawed because the ejaculate contains potential life... Why don't we keep this on a mature, reasonable, and intelligent level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #65 April 19, 2004 QuoteWhy don't we keep this on a mature, reasonable, and intelligent level. ON the one hand.. you are completely right and that is uncalled for. On the other hand some religions don't believe in masturbation at all... and it's where do you draw the line at what life is. On a more realistic level... I have spent two days in the hot sun at Busch Gardens with my three children and I am beat , having a glass of wine and stepped out of line.. my apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #66 April 19, 2004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #67 April 19, 2004 QuoteThe purpose is not really to prevent implantation but to supress ovulation. Rarely, the result is preventing implantation. Your wrong on this point, depending on which method of birth control you use. I know that MY method of birth control prevents implantation, of what you might consider a life. Theoretically, that means I have had countless self-occurring abortions in the last several years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #68 April 19, 2004 I thought it was HILARIOUS, and just what we needed... but yes, back to reality! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #69 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe purpose is not really to prevent implantation but to supress ovulation. Rarely, the result is preventing implantation. Your wrong on this point, depending on which method of birth control you use. I know that MY method of birth control prevents implantation, of what you might consider a life. Theoretically, that means I have had countless self-occurring abortions in the last several years. What birth control do you use? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodyflight.Net 0 #70 April 19, 2004 An IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #71 April 19, 2004 QuoteAn IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Un momento, por favor...looking something up in order to be perfectly accurate in what I say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites misskriss 0 #72 April 19, 2004 QuoteI thought it was HILARIOUS, and just what we needed I was thinking of all of the ..ummm......errrr....... you know...that was left in various unintended places...LOL My sun , wine induced sense of humor.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #73 April 19, 2004 QuoteAn IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Not sure if you are talking about a Mirena IUD or a copper IUD. The main mechanism of action in a copper IUD is as a spermicide. It causes phagocytosis of sperm. It also impedes sperm trasport and viability in the cervical mucus. Because of this, very few sperm ever even reach the fallopian tubes. Mirena IUD's also acts as a spermicide. Either way, the lining of the uterus is changed but this is NOT the main mechanism of action. However, on occasion, it might prevent implantation and do what you say. There are cases of implantation of an embryo with an IUD in place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #74 April 19, 2004 QuoteAn IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Didn't pay attention to the last part. Sorry. My wife uses the Ortho Evra patch. 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RoadRash 0 #55 April 19, 2004 QuoteScary viewpoint. I'm glad I made it through your standard of whether I'd be allowed to be born or not. Ummmm I have to agree...Lemme put it this way, I wouldn't be posting this right now if my biological grandmother at the ripe old age of 16 had decided to abort my mother...so does that mean that my mom was "mostly unwanted" and so should not have been given the chance at life...... I personally am pro-life, in terms of what I would do if I was stupid enough to have unprotected sex (this excludes rape and any other extenuating circumstances). In terms of what another woman should do, well that I leave up to them, and in that way I am pro-choice...But I know of a lot of couples who were unable to have children and so chose adoption. My best friend from HS is getting married in June...I guess she was a "mostly unwanted" baby, but she was given a chance at life and has a degree in ME and getting a job at Boeing. There are countless stories of babies being adopted from teen mothers or even from 20-somethings who felt they couldn't provide a happy, healthy life for a child and so gave up that child for adoption. Keep in mind that there are couples out there who could give these "mostly unwanted" children homes and families. ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #56 April 19, 2004 LOL!!! That's classic, brings a smile to my face!! I certainly understand the other side of the issue, though, and that is also important. So, so far we have these opinions: 1. More single mothers would be out there high & dry 2. Pro-lifers and other such organizations would be out of work ( of course maybe they can then go care for the extra million kids each year) 3. Prevention would be worth a pound of cure 4. It is unlikely that we could handle the influx of children into the welfare system and other such agencies 5. Many more parents would be abandoning their newborn children at "safe havens" 6. Many couples willing to adopt would have no problem with a shortage 7. ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #57 April 19, 2004 Quote5. Many more parents would be abandoning their newborn children at "safe havens" or garbage dumpsters or college dormitory bathroom toilets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #58 April 19, 2004 Quoteor garbage dumpsters or college dormitory bathroom toilets. Your probably right, but I'm thinking that anyone who would do that, would do it regardless of the issue at hand, ya know? Infuriating, I know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #59 April 19, 2004 Yeah... I was just agreeing with you that so many children are abandoned. I was so thankful when "safe havens" were introduced. I don't think all states have adopted this though...would be great if they did. I remember there had been an unusually high number of babies left in dumpsters, in the woods, etc and a local hospital made PSA's telling women they could leave their babies with them no questions asked. I don't think another abandoned baby was found for a good long while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #60 April 19, 2004 QuoteScary viewpoint. I'm glad I made it through your standard of whether I'd be allowed to be born or not. I never set a standard, you have not understood my examples. These were only a couple of the scenarios in which women seek abortions, not a standard by which to have or not have an abortion. I was un-planned as well. Please do NOT CALL IT UNWANTED, because unless you were raised by someone besides your biological parents due to choice then you WERE WANTED, and simply unexpected. Do not confuse yourself *unless you are one of these* with the millions of children ALREADY who wonder why their parents didn't want or love them..what did they do wrong? That is an emotional scar that ruins lives, no joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #61 April 19, 2004 One of the actions of oral contraceptives is to create atrophic changes in the endometrium that are not conducive to implantation by the embryo. Do you support women using oral contraceptives? Lindsey-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #62 April 19, 2004 Also masturbation by men should be outlawed because the ejaculate contains potential life... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #63 April 19, 2004 QuoteOne of the actions of oral contraceptives is to create atrophic changes in the endometrium that are not conducive to implantation by the embryo. Do you support women using oral contraceptives? Lindsey The purpose is not really to prevent implantation but to supress ovulation. Rarely, the result is preventing implantation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #64 April 19, 2004 QuoteAlso masturbation by men should be outlawed because the ejaculate contains potential life... Why don't we keep this on a mature, reasonable, and intelligent level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #65 April 19, 2004 QuoteWhy don't we keep this on a mature, reasonable, and intelligent level. ON the one hand.. you are completely right and that is uncalled for. On the other hand some religions don't believe in masturbation at all... and it's where do you draw the line at what life is. On a more realistic level... I have spent two days in the hot sun at Busch Gardens with my three children and I am beat , having a glass of wine and stepped out of line.. my apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #67 April 19, 2004 QuoteThe purpose is not really to prevent implantation but to supress ovulation. Rarely, the result is preventing implantation. Your wrong on this point, depending on which method of birth control you use. I know that MY method of birth control prevents implantation, of what you might consider a life. Theoretically, that means I have had countless self-occurring abortions in the last several years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #68 April 19, 2004 I thought it was HILARIOUS, and just what we needed... but yes, back to reality! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #69 April 19, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe purpose is not really to prevent implantation but to supress ovulation. Rarely, the result is preventing implantation. Your wrong on this point, depending on which method of birth control you use. I know that MY method of birth control prevents implantation, of what you might consider a life. Theoretically, that means I have had countless self-occurring abortions in the last several years. What birth control do you use? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #70 April 19, 2004 An IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #71 April 19, 2004 QuoteAn IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Un momento, por favor...looking something up in order to be perfectly accurate in what I say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #72 April 19, 2004 QuoteI thought it was HILARIOUS, and just what we needed I was thinking of all of the ..ummm......errrr....... you know...that was left in various unintended places...LOL My sun , wine induced sense of humor.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #73 April 19, 2004 QuoteAn IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Not sure if you are talking about a Mirena IUD or a copper IUD. The main mechanism of action in a copper IUD is as a spermicide. It causes phagocytosis of sperm. It also impedes sperm trasport and viability in the cervical mucus. Because of this, very few sperm ever even reach the fallopian tubes. Mirena IUD's also acts as a spermicide. Either way, the lining of the uterus is changed but this is NOT the main mechanism of action. However, on occasion, it might prevent implantation and do what you say. There are cases of implantation of an embryo with an IUD in place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #74 April 19, 2004 QuoteAn IUD which "change the lining of the uterus and prevent implantation." Now, how about you? Didn't pay attention to the last part. Sorry. My wife uses the Ortho Evra patch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #75 April 19, 2004 Things that make you go hmmmmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
