Suppose Abortion becomes illegal..what then?

[TomAiello 26]

Hmmm. I'm pro choice, but I'm just not that worried about it.

I'd rate the chance that Abortion would become illegal in the US as something hovering around 0%.

Even if Roe was overturned (probably a good idea, if you ask me--I'd love to see abortion rights based on a better decision [the dissent in Webster, for example, is a much better articulated position, in my opinion]), that would just make abortion legality return to state-by-state decisions. What do you think is the likelihood of California, for example, outlawing abortion?

-- Tom Aiello

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[sdgregory 0]

And you do not know what it is like to be a father who sits by helpless and watches the child he helped create and wanted be aborted because he has no right or say int the matter because it is not his body. You have no idea how helpless and heartbreaking THAT feels.

[pajarito 0]

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You don't know what it's like to carry and deliver a baby either. You will never know what it's like to be put in the position or the circumstances involved so you can't make judgements.

You're right....I'm male. I do have three children of my own, however, and I can't imagine having aborted any one of them out of convenience or because I didn't want my wife to accept any risk. I have been in severe circumstances, though. My youngest almost died due to heart complications early on. Not an issue with abortion but I just didn't want you to think that I couldn't or haven't related to life and death issues with an baby of mine. I'm also very involved with my kids.

[misskriss 0]

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And you do not know what it is like to be a father who sits by helpless and watches the child he helped create and wanted be aborted because he has no right or say int the matter because it is not his body

Well if you felt so strongly about it then I would hope that you would have discussed abortion with your partner before having sex with her. Not meaning "you" in general.. just theoretical..

[Bodyflight.Net 0]

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You don't know what it's like to carry and deliver a baby either. You will never know what it's like to be put in the position or the circumstances involved so you can't make judgements.

MissKriss, they are entitled to their judgements, of course civilized people try hard not to judge, but inevitably, it's nearly impossible to keep from doing so. You are right, they could never understand.

And Pajarito.. it's because I know what's involved that makes it ok for me.

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It isn't shock factor.. It's reality...

I don't suppose you yourself are a parent?

Not sure where your going to go with this, but I'll bite, in fact I'll head you off at the pass...

I most certainly am a parent I have a healthy 9 year old daughter. I have also had an abortion, and am very glad that the CHOICE in both cases was available to me. I am intimately familiar with BOTH procedures, and in each case I made the right choice for my family.

Umm, yeah, from what I've heard, live birth isn't all that pleasant in pictures either. I'm sorry, but if I were a potential father and I found out that the pregnancy would risk my SO's life, I'd want her to live more than anything.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

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You're right....I'm male.

I understand that fathers are extremely involved and love their children just as much as the mothers. I didn't mean that at all and in retrospect it may have been a poor example. However, I know that the baby is dependent on me for life even after it is born(breastfeeding).. not the father. Of course there is formula but you get what I'm saying. IAbortion is a very tough and sensitive subject and people who are firm in their beliefs are just that ... firm in their beliefs. I would just hope that all actions are taken to prevent unwanted/unplanned pregnancy to begin with.. but alas, that is not always the case.

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Sean, I'm thankful I've had the PLEASURE of meeting you with your family.. but I must say, I've met thousands of people too, and you sir, are a gem. Vary rarely do you see your type of dedication & involvment between the fathers & their children. I can imagine that type of scenario and I must admit it must be heart-wrenching.
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I assure you no father's were hurt in the process of my procedure and in countless others daily.

[rhino 0]

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The only way to save my life is to abort or deliver the baby so early that it would result in death for the fetus. You are telling me that you want me to risk carrying the child in which case if I die the baby would most probably die too and orphan the children we have?

I can't make that choice for you.. It's your choice.. If you had high blood pressure it would have likely been known before you were pregnant would it not?

If their is a "chance" for the babies survival even if it means putting the mother at risk than I would proceed with the pregnancy..

However.. I am not a woman. And the argument will surely come up that I need to shut the hell up because I don't have a vagina and "could never understand"..

I'd have to disagree.. I do understand.. If my wife were in that position I would do anything to trade places with her. Ultimately again it is her decision and not mine.

Bearing a child is risky business. I understand that.. In fact had c-sections not been in practice I would have lost my wife 10 months ago when our son was born. I would have lost both of them.

Knowing that I myself was born 3 months early. That's right.. At 6 months into the pregnancy I was born because my real father beat my mother into labor because he himself didn't want me..

I am thankful he didn't succeed.. My children are thankful he didn't succeed. What an amazing life I have had because I was given the chance to live it. My real father THOUGHT what he was doing at the time was the right thing to do. He was wrong..

I do not judge anyone for getting an abortion or having done so. The only person in this world that I can hold accountable for their actions is myself. All I can do is tell you what I would do and why that is the case. In doing so maybe someone will get an alternative viewpoint of which to base their decisions in the future.

I do not support abortion. Not in the case of rape, accidental pregnancy, or even in the case that the mother could "potentially" die.. Their are very few definites in life.

Again.. I am a man.. What the hell do I know right?

All I can do is hold myself accountable. You each have to live with your own decisions. If my outlook rubs you the wrong way and you feel the need to defend yourself thats just too damned bad. If someone gets upset in this thread they probably don't feel to good about decisions they have made.

You can not change the past. But you can change the future..

Rhino

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My wife is a practicing OB/GYN Physician who performs D & C's on a regular basis (not for abortions mind you), and has had three children herself. She has to "fix" on a regular basis what "Planned Parenthood" clinics screw up. I'm not the expert on what's involved but, from what I've been told and shown by her, I have basis for my opinions.

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If you had high blood pressure it would have likely been known before you were pregnant would it not?

Not always, no. Sometimes women devolop conditions during pregnancy. I just asked if this happened to your wife what would you want her to do if she is faced with dying and leaving behind children.

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If someone gets upset in this thread they probably don't feel to good about decisions they have made

and I don't see anyone getting upset. I've seen completely calm and thought provoking discussions...

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I have also had an abortion, and am very glad that the CHOICE in both cases was available to me. I am intimately familiar with BOTH procedures, and in each case I made the right choice for my family.

I am sure you are glad. That was your decision. Your unborn child never had that luxury.

Care to share your "reason" for having an abortion?

If not I understand...

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And you do not know what it is like to be a father who sits by helpless and watches the child he helped create and wanted be aborted because he has no right or say int the matter because it is not his body. You have no idea how helpless and heartbreaking THAT feels.

YOU MAKE A DAMNED GOOD POINT..

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Well if you felt so strongly about it then I would hope that you would have discussed abortion with your partner before having sex with her. Not meaning "you" in general.. just theoretical..

I honestly didn't think I would ever hear you say such a thing.. Interesting..

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edited because I was repeating myself..

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MissKriss, they are entitled to their judgements, of course civilized people try hard not to judge, but inevitably, it's nearly impossible to keep from doing so. You are right, they could never understand.

Did you have the abortion before or after your 9 year old was born?

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I honestly didn't think I would ever hear you say such a thing.. Interesting

When I met the man I eventually married I told him that if I got pregnant I would have and keep my baby. We discussed abortion before we ever had sex... why is that interesting?

[pajarito 0]

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If you had high blood pressure it would have likely been known before you were pregnant would it not?

Not always, no. Sometimes women devolop conditions during pregnancy. I just asked if this happened to your wife what would you want her to do if she is faced with dying and leaving behind children.

Most of the time, if you develop pregnancy induced hypertension or pre-eclampsia, it usually happens after viability. These people often get induced or sectioned early with every attempt made to preserve the life of both mother and baby. If the choice is between mother and baby, it has to be for the mother. Part of this reason is due to the fact that if the mother dies, the baby dies also.

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[Bodyflight.Net 0]

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I am sure you are glad. That was your decision. Your unborn child never had that luxury.

As misskriss pointed out, no one is getting pissed off, only thought provoking discussions, so try and keep it real here.
I said I am GLAD I had the choice, please don't take it out of context, it will make you un-necessarily upset.

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Care to share your "reason" for having an abortion?

If not I understand..
In another thread I might because I'm not ashamed in any way, but this thread isn't about that debate... it's about what would happen if it was illegal, this thread is not intended to sway people in either direction. It was intended as a serious look into the reprocussions of the decision to make it illegal.

I know it's emotional and heated, but let's try...

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When I met the man I eventually married I told him that if I got pregnant I would have and keep my baby. We discussed abortion before we ever had sex... why is that interesting?

I admire you misskriss.........

[misskriss 0]

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I admire you misskriss

don't get all soft on me now. I am traveling with my three daughters to DC on the 25th to support a woman's right to choose.

[rhino 0]

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I said I am GLAD I had the choice

Understood... Would you agree that millions of aborted babies had they been given the chance to grow to be old enough to be given the same choice you were glad to have had would have been glad to be born?

Don't you agree that it's about time to protect the innocence? Shouldn't they be protected?

Shouldn't SOME steps be taken?

I believe so... I respect your opinion wholeheartedly however. I just respect an unborn childs right to live even more.

Rhino

[Bodyflight.Net 0]

YOU GO GIRLS!!!!!!
I love to see women step up and take action!

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don't get all soft on me now. I am traveling with my three daughters to DC on the 25th to support a woman's right to choose.

once again interesting..

You have that right

Millions of aborted babies never will....

I think I am done here..

[rhino 0]

I believe that BOTH parents should have to sign a consent in order for the procedure to take place. IF the woman doesn't know who the father is she should be prohibited from doing it until DNA testing confirms who the father is and a consent form is signed by the to be father.