Suppose Abortion becomes illegal..what then?

[Bodyflight.Net 0]

First, my position:
Pro-Choice

I found some interesting stats on www.abortionfacts.com for instance:

During the 1980s and 1990s total abortions stayed about 1,550,000 annually, slowly decreasing in the 1990s. Note that the Guttmacher Institute reported that 10% of known abortion providers did not report. Adding 10% to its 1,550,000 equals 1,700,000. The total reported slowly decreased in the 1990s. When the unreported abortions are added (income tax evasion, cover-up for privacy, etc.), a figure of 1,800,000 may be more realistic. Live births have hovered just under 4,000,000.
Therefore: Almost every third baby conceived in America is killed by abortion. 112 Abortion Surveillance U.S. 1988 Morbidity & Mortality Weekly Report Centers for Disease Control, Atlanta, July 1991. S.K. Henshaw et al., "Abortion Services in the U.S., 1987-1988," Family Planning Perspectives, Vol. 22, No. 3 (May-June 1990), p. 103.

I can only imagine the HAVOC our society would experience if these "mostly unwanted" children actually were born. What with the Safe Haven law that says you can drop off your baby within 48 hours of birth at a designated center ie hospital, firehouse, police station, without worry of legal prosecution. How many of these babies would actually be kept? Do you, as taxpayers, really want to pay to raise them?

We already have so many people whining about not being able to find a job..
We have welfare systems maxed out...
Homelessness will never be remedied..
Public Schools everywhere are already overcrowded..
Rape Victims, Incest victims... need I say more?
Mom with 4 kids already, can't keep shoes on their feet now and can't handle another mouth to feed..
Teen pregnancy.. should they really be made to pay for the rest of their life for a simple COMMON mistake?
Women on Birth control... who still get pregnant.. they should be forced to modify their lives too?

Everyone usually just throws around their beliefs, I think it should be this way or that way.. but have we really stopped to think... what would really happen if it WERE THAT WAY?

Statistics show that abandoned children are more likely to commit violent acts, use drugs, and stay in trouble and for girls, get pregnant at a young age... Do we really need over a million MORE babies raised in poverty and in the welfare system? Taking up room in taxpayer funded jails, half-way houses, foster homes, detention centers, drug rehabs...etc.

Most of the posts I've read here on political issues sound to me like everyone is untrusting of the government and how they are running the country, what they are butting there noses into, invasion of our personal rights & freedoms...
Are you really prepared to let those same people charge you to raise over a million unwanted children every year THEIR way?

Gotta raise taxes to support it or... heck why don't we just make the pro-lifers adopt these kids... then they wouldn't have time to stand around and picket.
No sorry Mrs. Smith, you'll have to take the mixed child, we don't have anymore white babies left.
IMAGINE!!!!

I think it's better that the babies are spared to trauma, torture and inevitable misery that can easily become of their lives.

Some might call it population control.

[lawrocket 3]

Hmmm. 30 million human organisms killed over 20 years. Sounds horrible, doesn't it.

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I think it's better that the babies are spared to trauma, torture and inevitable misery that can easily become of their lives.

I've always believed it to be a shame to choose that other should have no choice. The child may become a criminal or lived a tortured life. Put it out of it's misery before it has that chance.

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Taking up room in taxpayer funded jails, half-way houses, foster homes, detention centers, drug rehabs...etc.

Odd. I think that, oh, I dunno, at least a few million of those could turn out to be scientists, police, skydivers, firemen, doctors, or even pro-abortion activists.

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they should be forced to modify their lives too?

Yep. My lady's pregnancy was not planned to occur so quickly. We wanted him next year. But, we knew the risks and accept them, like 3-4 million parents annually do (well, many don't - they go on the government coffers)

Personally, I think both sides need to be a lot more honest here. Pro-abortion or anti-abortion. Maybe the anti-abortion crowd oughtta spend a bit more time and energy easing adoption laws. Meanwhile, the pro-abortion folks oughtta spend more time saying, "Abortion should be a last resort." Or, maybe, have some women who have had abortions tell of the psychological scars they suffer (I know, those 2 ex-girlfriends of mine who still cry about it shouldn't count - they shouldn't have to pay for it for the rest of their lives for a simple common mistake)

Maybe we oughtta spend some more time telling kids that there are consequences to everything.

Goodness, my views on this have changed in the last few months...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[pajarito 0]

Scary viewpoint. I'm glad I made it through your standard of whether I'd be allowed to be born or not.

[Muenkel 0]

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Suppose Abortion becomes illegal..what then?

We survived the population boom at the end of the Holocaust, I guess we would survive this one.

Chris

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[rhino 0]

http://abortionno.org/Resources/pictures.html

Do you still support it???

http://abortionismurder.org/

What about now?

http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.holylamb.com%2Fabortion1.htm

What about now?


I am utterly against it.. no exceptions.. Even if the mothers life is in danger.. The mother had a life already.. The baby has that same right...

My opinion...

Rhino

[rhino 0]

And let me remind everyone... I was born 3 MONTHS early in 1975........

Rhino

[Botellines 0]

I think that the choice for a potential mother to end the pregnancy is a tough one. No mentally healthy woman would resort to that option unless it was the best option. And for sure, no one would use abortion as a birth control method. So if it is such a tough decision, why can we take it so lightly on their behalf?
Besides, If a woman gets raped (unfortunately it happens too often) what would be the solution? Would she have to live seeing in the child her raper´s face? could she ever move on?

I agree that there should be some regulation, but the potential mother should have some word on it.

[quade 4]

If abortions become illegal, then people will get illegal abortions -- same as before. It will be much more dangerous for the partcipants, but it will still happen.

This is a basic human behaviour and, while it can be made illegal, there is nothing the government or anyone else can do to actually stop it on a wide scale.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rhino 0]

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I think that the choice for a potential mother to end the pregnancy is a tough one.

Agreed totally..

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No mentally healthy woman would resort to that option unless it was the best option.

If this is true their are a MASSIVE amount of mentally unhealthy women out there..

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And for sure, no one would use abortion as a birth control method.

Believe it or not many women do..

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Besides, If a woman gets raped (unfortunately it happens too often) what would be the solution?

The only thing I could think of is the morning after pill... Or adoption..

In that horrible circumstance which I cannot possibly comprehend it would take an incredible human being to have the baby instead and give it up for adoption. I've read stories of woman that have not only had the babies but loved them for life.. Talk about doing the right thing..

It wasn't the babies fault for being conceived.. Why in the world would one want to punish the baby?

If my wife was raped? It would be completely up to her.. omg what an incredibly horrible situation to be in..

I would support her no matter what decision she made.. It wouldn't be easy but I would support her.. Morning after pill... Adoption.. Raise the child....

I cannot judge a child based off of the parent.. That would be like hating my son Daniel because I see his mother in his eyes? That isn't a very mature thing to do..

Life is full of tough decisions.. But to have the courage and ethics to make the RIGHT decision isn't always easy..

If my daughter came to me and said "Dad I was raped and am pregnant, what should I do?" I would have a conversation with her about this very thing..

I would recommend having the child.. What an amazing gift women have to grow and bring a child into this world.. Truly amazing..

I have the utmost respect for woman and would die for a complete stranger if put in the situation..

But I also have the utmost respect for an innocent child... Their smiles... Unselfish Love... Compassion....

Could I love a child of rape just the same?? Absolutely...... Without a doubt.... If anyone couldn't then maybe they should take a good look at what being a parent means. What being a role model means. What being the example for future generations means....

What a gift to be able to grow a child.. Any child.... Women are so very very blessed....

It's tough.. But I always fall back on doing the right thing no matter how hard that may be..

Rhino

[jakee 1,594]

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Hmmm. 30 million human organisms killed over 20 years. Sounds horrible, doesn't it.

More like potential humans, do the figures include morning after pill. Think Monty Python 'Every Sperm is Sacred'

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Taking up room in taxpayer funded jails, half-way houses, foster homes, detention centers, drug rehabs...etc.


Odd. I think that, oh, I dunno, at least a few million of those could turn out to be scientists, police, skydivers, firemen, doctors, or even pro-abortion activists.

Problem is, could the taxpayer funded system cope with the increase.

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they should be forced to modify their lives too?

Damn thats a tough one. I know one person who had an abortion and one that gave a baby up for adoption, both in their early teens. They are some of my very best friends and both are in higher education. If each had been forced to make the others choice things could have been very different.

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Maybe we oughtta spend some more time telling kids that there are consequences to everything.

Amen brother.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Gawain 0]

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Suppose Abortion becomes illegal..what then?

I guess there would be a surge in people going to Canada and France to have the procedure performed.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Lindsey 0]

There would be a huge surge of people needing new clothes hangers.

Lindsey

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail

[misskriss 0]

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the morning after pill

I know it will be impossible for us to debate the abortion topic, Rob...because we are both firm in our beliefs... However, how is the morning after pill any different? If the morning after pill is okay.. what about abortion within the first few weeks of missing a period. There are methods now where a woman does not have to wait until 7 weeks of pregnancy for an abortion to be performed. It just seems like another one of those..."where do you draw the line..." topics. It's different for everyone I guess.

[Bodyflight.Net 0]

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http://abortionno.org/Resources/pictures.html

Do you still support it???

http://abortionismurder.org/

What about now?

http://womensissues.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.holylamb.com%2Fabortion1.htm

What about now?

YES, YES and YES!
No amount of SHOCK factor will change my mind.

Oh, and my orginal post was "suppose abortion becomes illegal... what then?"

I guess then those people, at your linked websites and organizations, would be out of a job? Is that what your saying?

[rhino 0]

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I know it will be impossible for us to debate the abortion topic, Rob...because we are both firm in our beliefs... However, how is the morning after pill any different? If the morning after pill is okay.. what about abortion within the first few weeks of missing a period. There are methods now where a woman does not have to wait until 7 weeks of pregnancy for an abortion to be performed. It just seems like another one of those..."where do you draw the line..." topics. It's different for everyone I guess.

Maybe it isn't any differen't..

[rhino 0]

It isn't shock factor.. It's reality...

I don't suppose you yourself are a parent?

[jakee 1,594]

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I am utterly against it.. no exceptions.. Even if the mothers life is in danger.. The mother had a life already.. The baby has that same right...

Whoa, back up there. Are you serious?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rhino 0]

Yes.........

Why wouldn't I be?

[Bodyflight.Net 0]

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It isn't shock factor.. It's reality...

I don't suppose you yourself are a parent?

Not sure where your going to go with this, but I'll bite, in fact I'll head you off at the pass...

I most certainly am a parent I have a healthy 9 year old daughter. I have also had an abortion, and am very glad that the CHOICE in both cases was available to me. I am intimately familiar with BOTH procedures, and in each case I made the right choice for my family.

[misskriss 0]

So, you and I are married. We have children together and find out we're pregnant. Several months into the pregnancy the doctor discovers I have extremely high blood pressure or something else, etc. The only way to save my life is to abort or deliver the baby so early that it would result in death for the fetus. You are telling me that you want me to risk carrying the child in which case if I die the baby would most probably die too and orphan the children we have?

[misskriss 0]

So, you and I are married. We have children together and find out we're pregnant. Several months into the pregnancy the doctor discovers I have extremely high blood pressure or something else, etc. The only way to save my life is to abort or deliver the baby so early that it would result in death for the fetus. You are telling me that you want me to risk carrying the child in which case if I die the baby would most probably die too and orphan the children we have?

[pajarito 0]

That's amazing... I truly can't see how anyone, who sees what's involved in one of those, could go through with that. Many of those babies were viable and could have lived outside the mother. Not that that's an acceptable criteria for me. I agree that there are times when a doctor might have to make a decision to save the mother or save the child. I would only be open to it when the life of the mother is in extreme question. I wouldn't agree if the risk weren't very high. What a shame.

[gmanpilot 0]

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I am utterly against it.. no exceptions.. Even if the mothers life is in danger.. The mother had a life already.. The baby has that same right...

Being a card carrying leave me aloneacrat, I wish for you the right to do as you wish with your own body, it is none of my business. Correspondingly, the scenario you illustrate in your statement above is really, really spooky.

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[jakee 1,594]

In my view the foetus is a potential human, rather than an existing life to be protected at all costs. Kinda the same as whether condoms or the pill violate a potential babies right to life.

How can you choose between 2 lives and find that the one established life, with ties to countless others is secondary to another that is not yet even independant?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[misskriss 0]

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That's amazing... I truly can't see how anyone, who sees what's involved in one of those, could go through with that

You don't know what it's like to carry and deliver a baby either. You will never know what it's like to be put in the position or the circumstances involved so you can't make judgements.