Spain Succumbs

[TheAnvil 0]

Al Quaeda members and supporters worldwide should be feeling rather smug right now.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/spain_iraq_1

This withdrawal will encourage them more. Pray for our troops and country. Spain owes the world an apology.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[Kennedy 0]

Congratulations, asshole. Way to encourage terrorism.

witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
1*

[lawrocket 3]

Yep! Spain's thinking must be along the lines of this:

"You know, I don't think Neville Chamberlain tried hard enough to appease Hitler. Had Neville Chamberlain simply shown Hitler more peace, love, compassion and understanding than he did, Hitler and Mussolini would have known that violence is bad, and all that bad stuff would have never occurred."

Meanwhile, the thinking of the terrorist bombers is, "See? It works!"

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[pajarito 0]

Well...they've got to live with their choices. Very disapointing. I'm glad I'm not Spanish.

[Michele 1]

Quote

Meanwhile, the thinking of the terrorist bombers is, "See? It works!"

Um, I am really going to venture out on a limb here...

Really reach.

Sttttttttttrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttcccccccccccchhhhhhhhhh...

I think there will be more bombings soon....

There. Make me eat my words.



Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[benny 0]

Do I have to point out to everyone once again that the public of a democratic country, Spain, was overwhelmingly against participation in the war in Iraq before the recent train bombings and the recent OBL European truce tape...? How is it succumbing when you follow through with the wishes that your citizens have held from the beginning? Untimely for your, maybe our, aspirations but in no way did they succumb.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[quade 4]

I agree. Poor move on their part for several reasons. Promotes more terrorist bombings in the future for both them and us as a result.

They would have done better for themselves by staying out Iraq to begin with. Now, it's been proven that they'll fold under pressure.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[pajarito 0]

Perception is important. You've got to pose a unified front against terrorism. Why do you think the terrorists responded by taking hostages of different nationalities in Iraq? Test the waters maybe to see if they could make it work on another country possibly as weak as Spain?

[sdgregory 0]

This sets a very dangerous precedent. Look for things to get much worse on civilians and military alike now.

Just because something is the popular view does not make it right. And this is one of the cases where the people's feelings have overridden their sensibilities.

[benny 0]

Right or wrong I will not debate other than saying it is the wish of the majority of the Spanish citizens and therefore... However, it is clearly not succumbing. If anythin it could be said that in making the decision to join the Iraqi invasion in spite of its own citizens' wishes the government of Spain had succumc to US pressure. But, You guys do have a point, it does look bad, but mostly because people won't stop for a minute to think "oh yeah, the Spanish never wanted to be there in the first place" and will hence reach the conclusion that Spain has succumb to terrorism and is taking heed of OBL's truce offering. This, however, as noted before is erroneous.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[Botellines 0]

Quote

Al Quaeda members and supporters worldwide should be feeling rather smug right now.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/spain_iraq_1

This withdrawal will encourage them more. Pray for our troops and country. Spain owes the world an apology.

Now I am upset. We don´t owe anyone an apology. I was one of almost 4 million persons (in a city of 5 million) who went to the streets claiming we didn´t want to participate in an illegal, inmoral war. It is not our fault if the Puppet of our president decided to go against our will. He has paid the price as Blair is paying and Bush will pay in election time.
Do you want an apology? maybe you should get one from that uneducated fool you have for a president. Or maybe from his now-much-richer friends who supported this war.
Maybe everybody who died in Madrid should get an apology from who started this illegal war. Maybe the family of those american soldiers that are dying day by day should get an apology from your government.
Do you think a whole country should apology for a choice taken by his government? Well, if so start apologizing to whoever you think deserve it for supporting Osama Bin Laden against the soviets, or Sadam Hussein, etc etc.
For Gods shake, we have all been lied to support this war, the reasons for all thios nonsense keep changing every month to suit yor president interests. Wake up!!! it is not american interests anymore, it is your fat cats interest. The sooner you all Bush´s supporters realize that you are beeing cheated, the less people worldwide will die. And less foolish you will feel when the truth comes out.

[lawrocket 3]

The Spaniards did want to be there in the first place. How do I know? Because the Spanish WERE in the Middle East adn ARE still in the Middle East and will leave the Middle East shortly.

I expect ETA to bring up the pressure now. I also expect the Muslim Extremists to push for more from Spain now, especially in the South of Spain where there is a greater concentration. WHo knows, THEY may want to form an independent Islamic Republic in the coming years, and now know how to get what they want from Spain.

I really don't like the future of this...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Botellines 0]

Sorry, but you have no idea wether we wanted to be there or not. If you disagree with your government, you express your disatisfaction at election time (It is called Democracy). And we did. What don´t you get? I agree it was bad timing, but as i said in another thread we didn´t get to choose when the terrorist attack was going to be.
WE DIDN´T WANT THIS WAR. Do you have any clue how serious some issue must be to move 80 percent of the population to protest in the streets? In case you are wondering why we didn´t do anything before elections it is because to actively oppose your government outside election times is called a riot, and in a democracy, you will get in trouble.

[benny 0]

Quote

The Spaniards did want to be there in the first place. How do I know? Because the Spanish WERE in the Middle East adn ARE still in the Middle East and will leave the Middle East shortly.

Hey Rocket, look above you... seems at least one Spaniard agrees with my analysis that reached the conclusion that the Spanish didn't want to be there. Spanish people, Spanish government, not exactly one in the same.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[Botellines 0]

Quote

I agree. Poor move on their part for several reasons. Promotes more terrorist bombings in the future for both them and us as a result.

They would have done better for themselves by staying out Iraq to begin with. Now, it's been proven that they'll fold under pressure.

I disagree. If we haven´t fold under pressure from ETA in 30 years, i doubt we will do it now. They only claimed what we all claimed.
If a terrorist blows up the empire state building claiming he wants freedom of speech. Would the US been folding under pressure?
If we are going to oppose just because the terrorists, the next attack will be to claim that they want spanish troops in Irak.

[skydyvr 0]

Quote

And less foolish you will feel when the truth comes out.

Truth: When the terrorists say "jump", the new government of Spain answers "how high?".

. . =(_8^(1)

[pajarito 0]

Spain is Al-Qaida's big o'le "BIOTCH."

[benny 0]

Quote

Quote

And less foolish you will feel when the truth comes out.

Truth: When the terrorists say "jump", the new government of Spain answers "how high?".

How many times do you have to be told that the Spanish people did not to be involved in this war for you to realize that this was the path that they should have taken all along and is not some kind of giving in to terrorists? I guess its just pretty hard for us Americans to believe that the government could actually carry out the wishes of its own people rather than cow-towing to special interests or foreign players.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[sdgregory 0]

Quote

The sooner you all Bush´s supporters realize that you are beeing cheated, the less people worldwide will die. And less foolish you will feel when the truth comes out.

Yeah and we all know that Bush is the only evil politician in the world. Yeah, Spain's politician's are others-centered, honest, servants. And so are the rest of Europes. But America and England, we have the corner on heresay, propaganda and fools.

And we all know that peace will reign once the American's pull out, replace Bush, and remove support from Isreal. No more bombings, and no more shellings, no more mortar attacks, no more gunfire. No more children and civilians dying at the hands of power hungy war-mongers. Iraq and the whole middle East will be at peace. No more self-interested "psuedo-leaders" calling for war against their enemies. America, under the leadership of Bush, is causing every little war out there.





Do you really believe that garbage you spewed? Would you like to buy my summer home on the moon? It's got an ocean view right on the Sea of Tranquility. Very energy efficient. Even has a solar heated swimming pool. I will sell it to you for 50 jump tickets and a new Cypress2.

[sdgregory 0]

Quote

How many times do you have to be told that the Spanish people did not to be involved in this war for you to realize that this was the path that they should have taken all along and is not some kind of giving in to terrorists?

If Spain had just stayed out this would be a valid point. However, since Spain did enter into this and is now stepping out, they have given those that would use terror incentive. And that was GLOBALY IRRESPONSIBLE. Their timing is terrible.

And if you think appearance does not matter, you are fooling yourself.

As with anything, it does not matter what Spain says as much as how it looks. THe terroists will see this as a victory. They will use this as a battle cry. Why can't YOU see THAT.

[pajarito 0]

Like I said, Bitch slapped, turned around, bent over, and made to squeal like a pig.

[benny 0]

Quote

As with anything, it does not matter what Spain says as much as how it looks. THe terroists will see this as a victory. They will use this as a battle cry. Why can't YOU see THAT.

Well, considering that the government of Spain went against the wishes of its populace, what would be the proper time to decide that a democratically elected gov't should do what its people want... Would you have seen this as ok if they hadn't been recently bombed or if they hadn't released the OBL truce tape? I seriously doubt it? I realize that appearance is important. But what I also see is that, if people weren't so shortsighted and thought about the political situation in Spain prior to these events, then they might realize that these events are not the reason Spain is withdrawing, but rather an unfortunate conflagration of events.

Here, an analogy, GI Joe decided a while back that he just didn't want to be in the army anymore but he'll serve out his term... His term ends day x. One day before day x there's a bombing. GI gets out on day x just as he had planned... Under your logic, GI only got out because he was scared by the bombing. Those who know GI know that he wanted out all along.

Never go to a DZ strip show.

[lawrocket 3]

I understand it, and I understand you. I have discussed this with my wife, who lived in Spain for 3 years, two of those in Madrid. Spain is so very dear to her, adn she's worried about this. She also agrees with this.

I also NEVER supported invading Iraq. I'm also ex-US military. And GWB will probably lose this election because of the war. I didn't vote for him before, and won't vote for him now, and many Americans - by the millions - did not support this war through protest.

Still, I must approach this objectively. Like it or not, my viewpoint is valid. You are right - the timing is bad. And that is going to be the focus hereinafter by the terrorists and bad guys.

The terrorists are not nice people and there will be new demands. There will be new terrorists. There ill be new issues. And their reasoning will be, "It worked before," whether or not this is a true cause and effect relationship.

ETA hasn't gotten what it wanted through targeted bombings and assassinations affecting only police and government officials. Let's expect more from them.

And while the government is at it, maybe it can loosen the restrictions on peaceful protest against a government. I'll admit I've never heard of the "riot" definition. There are some things I guess I just take for granted.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

Quote

Hey Rocket, look above you... seems at least one Spaniard agrees with my analysis that reached the conclusion that the Spanish didn't want to be there. Spanish people, Spanish government, not exactly one in the same.

Yes. You are correct. BUT - even the good Spaniard admitted that the timing was unfortunate. IT's become the big sticking point and will be a justification for further use of force.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Jib 0]

Quote

...if people weren't so shortsighted and thought about the political situation in Spain prior to these events, then they might realize that these events are not the reason Spain is withdrawing, but rather an unfortunate conflagration of events.

Yeah, the myopic bombers will surely see it as a conflagaration of events and not their great triumph. Actually, the terrorists will see it as their fire being dowsed.

Leave the ivory tower and smell the coffee.

--------------------------------------------------
the depth of his depravity sickens me.
-- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt