turtlespeed 226 #1 April 12, 2004 So, I'm having a little issue. My 10 year old daughter came up to me the other day and said she "Hated" GWB and that he was a Bad President.. The first thing I asked was where did get this idea. She responded with - that's what the people on the news say. I asked her who it was, and she said, "It's the people that tell you what the news is." Don't you think that's going just a BIT too far? Tell the news - not your opinion. Now I have a very misinformed 10 year old . . . . . . not because she says she doesn't like Bush, it's because she thinks, like alot of people do, that what is on the news is all there is that ever happens. The downfall of this country is going to be led by the media, until we can downsize them, not inhibit them, but down size them so that thier political influence is not as great.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 April 12, 2004 preaching to the choir.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 April 12, 2004 Does a 10 year old know the difference between news and commentary? I can, with -almost- 100 percent certainty, say that no news service would have said GWB was a "Bad President" without a disclaimer of that being the sole opinion and commentary of the person saying it. Believe it or not, journalists, even highly biased ones have at least a modicum of ethics and would not make such commentary without the disclaimer. It just doesn't happen. My suggestion would be to sit your daughter in front of a few national nightly news programs ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and watch what the -journalists- actually say versus what their -interview subjects- say. Then, have her watch some biased commentary programs O'Reilly for instance. Use this opportunity to teach her the difference between news and commentary.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malfunction 0 #4 April 12, 2004 *reply to Turtlespeed, just too lazy to scroll back up* You didn't have MANCOW on by chance, did you? Morning Radio hosts have a habit of pushing political views through the airwaves too. Maybe it wasn't just the TV she got it from... I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #5 April 12, 2004 QuoteDoes a 10 year old know the difference between news and commentary? According to you I was a very unusual child. At age 10, I only read biographies and American history such as the Civil War, as well as histories of several Asian countries, like Japan. But I can honestly say, because my mother was, and still is, heavy into politics, I was aware of the difference. I was watching shows like the McLaughlin (sp?) Group in 6th grade. QuoteI can, with -almost- 100 percent certainty, say that no news service would have said GWB was a "Bad President" without a disclaimer of that being the sole opinion and commentary of the person saying it. That is called walking around with blinders on. Most networks (I am referring to television news networks) don't have any kind of disclaimer nor state that this is only opinion and not fact. If you truly believe that then you need to speak to a psychiatrist, because you are dilusional. QuoteBelieve it or not, journalists, even highly biased ones have at least a modicum of ethics and would not make such commentary without the disclaimer. It just doesn't happen. Now that made me laugh......I will say one name and leave it at that...NEW YORK TIMES... QuoteMy suggestion would be to sit your daughter in front of a few national nightly news programs ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and watch what the -journalists- actually say versus what their -interview subjects- say. As far as I am concerned, tell her to not watch TV. And watching one of the networks listed above is like watching all of them at once. What am I trying to say? Don't bother watching them. Especially PBS, what a worthless piece of... that we as citizens are paying for...yeah, you get the idea. QuoteThen, have her watch some biased commentary programs O'Reilly for instance. No more biased than the networks you mentioned. Tsk tsk...Sounds like someone dislikes FOX news and its shows...then come out and say it, don't pussyfoot around with the listing of subpar networks. QuoteUse this opportunity to teach her the difference between news and commentary. Know what you can do to help her: Tell her to go the library, read, read, read, and discuss with her what she read. Encourage her to pick up newspapers, of all kinds and that contain different points of view. Screw televison news. That is utterly and completely useless. Flush it down the toilet. That's where it belongs. ~R+R... $0.02 worth ...and then some...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 April 12, 2004 It's a shame you wasted so much of your youth watching television news then. On the other hand, you can't really follow the war in Iraq or the Presidential elections, for example, by going to the library. So, maybe television news does have some value. It's a pity that with all of your experience watching it you never came to that realization.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #7 April 12, 2004 QuoteIt's a shame you wasted so much of your youth watching television news then. Sounds to me that you wasted most of your adult life watching network news. Shame and a pity... QuoteOn the other hand, you can't really follow the war in Iraq or the Presidential elections, for example, by going to the library. So, maybe television news does have some value. No, that is why I suggested reading a newspaper...I guess you missed that when you were writing your reply. Remember you should always read something thoroughly when trying to make a point instead of skimming...Tsk...tsk...tsk... QuoteIt's a pity that with all of your experience watching it you never came to that realization. I already came to that realization a long time ago...what took you so long? The question is, do you trust eveything you see and hear on the news. ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #8 April 12, 2004 Part of the "propaganda" is from the morning radio shows - the rest is from watching CNN and MSNBC with my Grandfather. *Sigh* I don't have custody - so I can't teach my values as often as I would like.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #9 April 12, 2004 Quote Sounds to me that you wasted most of your adult life watching network news. Shame and a pity... . . . manipulating . . . mostly. I've worked in television news as well as Press & Publicity for a major corporation. I know the field from both sides. Do I trust everything I see on the news? I know -exactly- how easy it is to manipulate. See above. That said, I also know that the major networks (with one notable exception) actually -try- to be unbiased in their NEWS. Are they always successful? No. Not possible. Is commentary always labeled as such? -Nearly- 100% of the time. It's usually a written policy -- even at FOXNews. O'Reilly -isn't- news, so this doesn't apply to him.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #10 April 12, 2004 QuotePart of the "propaganda" is from the morning radio shows - the rest is from watching CNN and MSNBC with my Grandfather. *Sigh* I don't have custody - so I can't teach my values as often as I would like. That sucks......But at least you can try to impart some of your values on her and that is what counts. Encourage her to read, and even to write down her ideas. Tell her to give a point of view and explain why she believes that way. I consider myself lucky because I had eveyone around encouraging me and prompting me to express my point-of-view with information that I had learned. Keep her talking and reading...what could it hurt? She might learn something new and interesting... ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #11 April 12, 2004 Quote Sounds to me that you wasted most of your adult life watching network news. Shame and a pity... Robyn, I love you to peices, so I'll help you out here. Paul has spent pretty much the majority of his career working for the LA ABC affiliate. It has been his job to watch network news. Odd, a guy who spent most of his life creating the stuff, is suggesting that parents spend time with their kids, instead of kids reporting back what they saw on their own... To answer your other question, I'm pretty sure Quade is pretty critical of what he hears and sees in the news. Its been his job. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #12 April 12, 2004 Sort of correct. I actually spent the majority of my time working for Disney Broadcast Services. Most of that time was editing whatever came my way, but included news for any one of a number of programs and networks. It was only in recent years Disney aquired ABC. Before that we had a bit of a go with KCAL. I did a bit of freelance investigative journalism going through school and ended up doing some fairly difficult stuff for CBS which eventually made me rethink my priorities along those lines. I decided to do work with slightly more benign results and slowly moved toward the Press and Publicity side of things and away from "hard" news. Mostly stuff in support of Disneyland actually -- that's about as soft as it gets until the wheels fall off. Then the old news experience and how to deal with the press comes in pretty handy. Yes, I still watch the news fairly carefully and occasionally get involved as a freelancer, but the bread and butter gigs right now are much less involved. Light editing and graphics for television news magazines. I got laid off from Disney after 29 years of service back in October and haven't had a "regular" job since then. Nobody has chased me down the street with a meat clever just because I wanted to get video of them doing bad things and, to my knowledge, nobody has been whacked just because I got video of them for the last 15 or so years.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #13 April 12, 2004 QuoteQuotePart of the "propaganda" is from the morning radio shows - the rest is from watching CNN and MSNBC with my Grandfather. *Sigh* I don't have custody - so I can't teach my values as often as I would like. That sucks......But at least you can try to impart some of your values on her and that is what counts. Encourage her to read, and even to write down her ideas. Tell her to give a point of view and explain why she believes that way. I consider myself lucky because I had eveyone around encouraging me and prompting me to express my point-of-view with information that I had learned. Keep her talking and reading...what could it hurt? She might learn something new and interesting... ~R+R I did - This is what I got in return. I have alot of work to do undoing this . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GravityGirl 0 #14 April 13, 2004 Maybe watch the news with her and don't let her watch it on her own. She is 10. There is a LOT OF SHIT going on in the news. Far worse than a PG (Parental Guidance) movie. Just a thought. I know it's easier said than done. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #15 April 13, 2004 Quote Maybe watch the news with her and don't let her watch it on her own. She is 10. Well said. I can't imagine why any parent would let a 10 year old watch news unsupervised. That's not to say that kids should be sheltered from the world we live in, I believe quite the opposite. Kids do need a guiding hand in interpretting what they see on TV. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #16 April 13, 2004 http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20040413.shtml Good read on our beloved media. How about that LIE in the Washington Post about the infamous BinShithead PDB, eh libbies? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #17 April 13, 2004 People (liberals) wonder why "right wing radio" does so well in the ratings and makes such a killing. It's fairly simple. Google media bias. You'll get about 1,540,000 links. I bet not more than two percent of them claim the bias is to the right. Perhaps the polls and surveys that consistently find that 63-75% of America believes the media are slanted to the left would open people's eyes, but no. There is no vast left wing conspiracy, they just don't realize anything else is out there. The problem is so many liberals believe 'there is no left wing, just normal wholesome goodness and the extremists.' It's the same kind of group think you see in Manhattan cocktail parties. "If all the people at all the right parties believe this, then that's all there is to it."witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,151 #18 April 13, 2004 Psalms 8:2 comes to mind.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #19 April 13, 2004 QuoteQuote Maybe watch the news with her and don't let her watch it on her own. She is 10. Well said. I can't imagine why any parent would let a 10 year old watch news unsupervised. That's not to say that kids should be sheltered from the world we live in, I believe quite the opposite. Kids do need a guiding hand in interpretting what they see on TV. _Am I never said it was unsupervised - but then I don't really know do I? She isn't with me when she is with her mother. Supervision is there when she is with my grandfather, but he doesn't take the time to explain things to her. What makes this harder is that that is ALL HE EVER DOES. I can't take thier time away from each other.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #20 April 13, 2004 QuoteI never said it was unsupervised - but then I don't really know do I? She isn't with me when she is with her mother. Supervision is there when she is with my grandfather, but he doesn't take the time to explain things to her. What makes this harder is that that is ALL HE EVER DOES. I can't take thier time away from each other. Please understand that I am not taking a stab at you personally but I have to ask. Is it really a problem with the media, or is it a problem due to parents spending less and less time with their children (regardless of reason)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #21 April 13, 2004 That all depends on if you can take every day off that your child has off of school. Generally speaking the media is to blame because it doesn't have enough checks and balances and is running amuck with lies and convienient censorship.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #22 April 13, 2004 >Generally speaking the media is to blame because it doesn't have >enough checks and balances . . . It has none. The content of its reports is not subject to any sort of government oversight (fortunately.) >and is running amuck with lies and convienient censorship. Censorship is removal or supression of material that's objectionable. If it's never created to begin with it's not censorship. There are lots of lies in media because that's what people want. If a news show that lied lost all its listeners you can be 100% sure news shows wouldn't lie. But people like the lies. Republicans like to hear about how we really found WMD's in Iraq. Democrats like to hear that Bush knew all about 9/11 beforehand. And so they listen to news that agrees with their point of view, even if it's wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #23 April 13, 2004 QuoteThat all depends on if you can take every day off that your child has off of school. 20 to 30 years ago, that is exactly what one parent did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #24 April 13, 2004 Quote>Generally speaking the media is to blame because it doesn't have >enough checks and balances . . . It has none. The content of its reports is not subject to any sort of government oversight (fortunately.) I agree with you there, I absolutely hate (and I never use that word) the involvement of the government or otherwise to decide what can and cannot be said. Quote>and is running amuck with lies and convienient censorship. Censorship is removal or supression of material that's objectionable. If it's never created to begin with it's not censorship. I have noticed quite a bit of material that has been supressed because someone found it objectionable or disagreed with the material and so, just plain left out. Just neglecting to mention parts of a story, to me, is the same thing as censorship, and is usually used to convey a certain view point as opposed to allowing the viewer, listener, reader to decide for themselves. QuoteThere are lots of lies in media because that's what people want. If a news show that lied lost all its listeners you can be 100% sure news shows wouldn't lie. But people like the lies. Republicans like to hear about how we really found WMD's in Iraq. Democrats like to hear that Bush knew all about 9/11 beforehand. And so they listen to news that agrees with their point of view, even if it's wrong. I don't want lies. But then again, I try to take in as much information as possible, and then form an opinion. These days, it seems many people allow others to decide what to think and spout the same lies they just heard. It's easier than reading a newspaper or watching multiple channels on TV. ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #25 April 13, 2004 >I have noticed quite a bit of material that has been supressed > because someone found it objectionable or disagreed with the > material and so, just plain left out. Just neglecting to mention parts > of a story, to me, is the same thing as censorship, and is usually > used to convey a certain view point as opposed to allowing the > viewer, listener, reader to decide for themselves. So far the only radio or TV news stations that have read the August 6th PDB on-air in its entirety have been NPR and the BBC, even though that particular PDB has been headline news for a while now. Are all the other radio and TV stations guilty of censorship? Or did they just make an editorial decision to not spend a significant portion of airtime (which could cost them millions) reading a long document? There is far more news than can ever be reported. Each station chooses what to omit. Maybe it's important to read the PDR, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's important to do a report on BB gun terrorism in elementary schools, maybe it isn't. But those sort of editorial decisions are not censorship. 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turtlespeed 226 #8 April 12, 2004 Part of the "propaganda" is from the morning radio shows - the rest is from watching CNN and MSNBC with my Grandfather. *Sigh* I don't have custody - so I can't teach my values as often as I would like.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 April 12, 2004 Quote Sounds to me that you wasted most of your adult life watching network news. Shame and a pity... . . . manipulating . . . mostly. I've worked in television news as well as Press & Publicity for a major corporation. I know the field from both sides. Do I trust everything I see on the news? I know -exactly- how easy it is to manipulate. See above. That said, I also know that the major networks (with one notable exception) actually -try- to be unbiased in their NEWS. Are they always successful? No. Not possible. Is commentary always labeled as such? -Nearly- 100% of the time. It's usually a written policy -- even at FOXNews. O'Reilly -isn't- news, so this doesn't apply to him.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #10 April 12, 2004 QuotePart of the "propaganda" is from the morning radio shows - the rest is from watching CNN and MSNBC with my Grandfather. *Sigh* I don't have custody - so I can't teach my values as often as I would like. That sucks......But at least you can try to impart some of your values on her and that is what counts. Encourage her to read, and even to write down her ideas. Tell her to give a point of view and explain why she believes that way. I consider myself lucky because I had eveyone around encouraging me and prompting me to express my point-of-view with information that I had learned. Keep her talking and reading...what could it hurt? She might learn something new and interesting... ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #11 April 12, 2004 Quote Sounds to me that you wasted most of your adult life watching network news. Shame and a pity... Robyn, I love you to peices, so I'll help you out here. Paul has spent pretty much the majority of his career working for the LA ABC affiliate. It has been his job to watch network news. Odd, a guy who spent most of his life creating the stuff, is suggesting that parents spend time with their kids, instead of kids reporting back what they saw on their own... To answer your other question, I'm pretty sure Quade is pretty critical of what he hears and sees in the news. Its been his job. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 April 12, 2004 Sort of correct. I actually spent the majority of my time working for Disney Broadcast Services. Most of that time was editing whatever came my way, but included news for any one of a number of programs and networks. It was only in recent years Disney aquired ABC. Before that we had a bit of a go with KCAL. I did a bit of freelance investigative journalism going through school and ended up doing some fairly difficult stuff for CBS which eventually made me rethink my priorities along those lines. I decided to do work with slightly more benign results and slowly moved toward the Press and Publicity side of things and away from "hard" news. Mostly stuff in support of Disneyland actually -- that's about as soft as it gets until the wheels fall off. Then the old news experience and how to deal with the press comes in pretty handy. Yes, I still watch the news fairly carefully and occasionally get involved as a freelancer, but the bread and butter gigs right now are much less involved. Light editing and graphics for television news magazines. I got laid off from Disney after 29 years of service back in October and haven't had a "regular" job since then. Nobody has chased me down the street with a meat clever just because I wanted to get video of them doing bad things and, to my knowledge, nobody has been whacked just because I got video of them for the last 15 or so years.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #13 April 12, 2004 QuoteQuotePart of the "propaganda" is from the morning radio shows - the rest is from watching CNN and MSNBC with my Grandfather. *Sigh* I don't have custody - so I can't teach my values as often as I would like. That sucks......But at least you can try to impart some of your values on her and that is what counts. Encourage her to read, and even to write down her ideas. Tell her to give a point of view and explain why she believes that way. I consider myself lucky because I had eveyone around encouraging me and prompting me to express my point-of-view with information that I had learned. Keep her talking and reading...what could it hurt? She might learn something new and interesting... ~R+R I did - This is what I got in return. I have alot of work to do undoing this . . .I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #14 April 13, 2004 Maybe watch the news with her and don't let her watch it on her own. She is 10. There is a LOT OF SHIT going on in the news. Far worse than a PG (Parental Guidance) movie. Just a thought. I know it's easier said than done. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #15 April 13, 2004 Quote Maybe watch the news with her and don't let her watch it on her own. She is 10. Well said. I can't imagine why any parent would let a 10 year old watch news unsupervised. That's not to say that kids should be sheltered from the world we live in, I believe quite the opposite. Kids do need a guiding hand in interpretting what they see on TV. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #16 April 13, 2004 http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20040413.shtml Good read on our beloved media. How about that LIE in the Washington Post about the infamous BinShithead PDB, eh libbies? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #17 April 13, 2004 People (liberals) wonder why "right wing radio" does so well in the ratings and makes such a killing. It's fairly simple. Google media bias. You'll get about 1,540,000 links. I bet not more than two percent of them claim the bias is to the right. Perhaps the polls and surveys that consistently find that 63-75% of America believes the media are slanted to the left would open people's eyes, but no. There is no vast left wing conspiracy, they just don't realize anything else is out there. The problem is so many liberals believe 'there is no left wing, just normal wholesome goodness and the extremists.' It's the same kind of group think you see in Manhattan cocktail parties. "If all the people at all the right parties believe this, then that's all there is to it."witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #18 April 13, 2004 Psalms 8:2 comes to mind.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #19 April 13, 2004 QuoteQuote Maybe watch the news with her and don't let her watch it on her own. She is 10. Well said. I can't imagine why any parent would let a 10 year old watch news unsupervised. That's not to say that kids should be sheltered from the world we live in, I believe quite the opposite. Kids do need a guiding hand in interpretting what they see on TV. _Am I never said it was unsupervised - but then I don't really know do I? She isn't with me when she is with her mother. Supervision is there when she is with my grandfather, but he doesn't take the time to explain things to her. What makes this harder is that that is ALL HE EVER DOES. I can't take thier time away from each other.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 April 13, 2004 QuoteI never said it was unsupervised - but then I don't really know do I? She isn't with me when she is with her mother. Supervision is there when she is with my grandfather, but he doesn't take the time to explain things to her. What makes this harder is that that is ALL HE EVER DOES. I can't take thier time away from each other. Please understand that I am not taking a stab at you personally but I have to ask. Is it really a problem with the media, or is it a problem due to parents spending less and less time with their children (regardless of reason)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 April 13, 2004 That all depends on if you can take every day off that your child has off of school. Generally speaking the media is to blame because it doesn't have enough checks and balances and is running amuck with lies and convienient censorship.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #22 April 13, 2004 >Generally speaking the media is to blame because it doesn't have >enough checks and balances . . . It has none. The content of its reports is not subject to any sort of government oversight (fortunately.) >and is running amuck with lies and convienient censorship. Censorship is removal or supression of material that's objectionable. If it's never created to begin with it's not censorship. There are lots of lies in media because that's what people want. If a news show that lied lost all its listeners you can be 100% sure news shows wouldn't lie. But people like the lies. Republicans like to hear about how we really found WMD's in Iraq. Democrats like to hear that Bush knew all about 9/11 beforehand. And so they listen to news that agrees with their point of view, even if it's wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 April 13, 2004 QuoteThat all depends on if you can take every day off that your child has off of school. 20 to 30 years ago, that is exactly what one parent did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #24 April 13, 2004 Quote>Generally speaking the media is to blame because it doesn't have >enough checks and balances . . . It has none. The content of its reports is not subject to any sort of government oversight (fortunately.) I agree with you there, I absolutely hate (and I never use that word) the involvement of the government or otherwise to decide what can and cannot be said. Quote>and is running amuck with lies and convienient censorship. Censorship is removal or supression of material that's objectionable. If it's never created to begin with it's not censorship. I have noticed quite a bit of material that has been supressed because someone found it objectionable or disagreed with the material and so, just plain left out. Just neglecting to mention parts of a story, to me, is the same thing as censorship, and is usually used to convey a certain view point as opposed to allowing the viewer, listener, reader to decide for themselves. QuoteThere are lots of lies in media because that's what people want. If a news show that lied lost all its listeners you can be 100% sure news shows wouldn't lie. But people like the lies. Republicans like to hear about how we really found WMD's in Iraq. Democrats like to hear that Bush knew all about 9/11 beforehand. And so they listen to news that agrees with their point of view, even if it's wrong. I don't want lies. But then again, I try to take in as much information as possible, and then form an opinion. These days, it seems many people allow others to decide what to think and spout the same lies they just heard. It's easier than reading a newspaper or watching multiple channels on TV. ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #25 April 13, 2004 >I have noticed quite a bit of material that has been supressed > because someone found it objectionable or disagreed with the > material and so, just plain left out. Just neglecting to mention parts > of a story, to me, is the same thing as censorship, and is usually > used to convey a certain view point as opposed to allowing the > viewer, listener, reader to decide for themselves. So far the only radio or TV news stations that have read the August 6th PDB on-air in its entirety have been NPR and the BBC, even though that particular PDB has been headline news for a while now. Are all the other radio and TV stations guilty of censorship? Or did they just make an editorial decision to not spend a significant portion of airtime (which could cost them millions) reading a long document? There is far more news than can ever be reported. Each station chooses what to omit. Maybe it's important to read the PDR, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's important to do a report on BB gun terrorism in elementary schools, maybe it isn't. But those sort of editorial decisions are not censorship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
