40 Dead....and Counting.

[billvon 3,107]

>Not going to war with a country over torture isn't the same as supporting it, Bill.

True, sorry. I should have said we support countries that use torture regularly as a political tool.

[Jimbo 0]

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support for terrorists is not coming from Iraq, as everybody knows.

Yes, it is. Or at least it was.

SH was paying the families of suicide bombers in Isreal. If that's not supporting terror, then I don't know what is.

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by destroying a small poor country somewhere between Middle and Far East.

The only reason that Iraq is, as you call it, a 'poor country', is because SH stole from it's people. There _should have been_ more than enough wealth to go around.

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by sending your guys into their death.

Every single man and woman in the United States Armed Forces knows that going to war, and dying, might be a part of the deal. I feel badly for those who have lost loved ones, and friends, but it's a part of the deal. Every single person serving in the military knows this. Every single one.

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who TF will be blind enough to believe this is fighting agains terror?

You could start with the hundreds of fractured Israeli families.

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[christelsabine 1]

you do not really mean us$ 25k? the amounts in question within the terror biz are way bigger. this point cannot convince. in no way, you can compare the situation in and around Israel with the Iraq war!

wealth? just look down to African dictatorship, bleeding their countries to death. need to invade?

American men & women are a part of the deal? who made this deal for them? i am sure, 99 percent of them never wanted to be a part of this silly war.

too easy to say everybody is well aware what could happen. i say: nobody is. this is beyond imaginations. we are living in comfortable worlds. no one wants to leave to Iraq being well aware this could cost your live under inhuman circumstances. i do not believe this.

this war is superfluous, like others were before. just let's wait for its results and its consequences for the rest of the world.

rgds

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[billvon 3,107]

I think it's great that FTD now has a "salute to a patriot" bouquet that is an "A appropriate display of sympathy . . . Appropriate to send to a home or to a funeral." I also think it's sad that there is enough demand to make that a separate item they advertise.

[panzwami 0]

Concerning recent events of this week:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04102/298803.stm

[panzwami 0]

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you do not really mean us$ 25k? the amounts in question within the terror biz are way bigger. this point cannot convince. in no way, you can compare the situation in and around Israel with the Iraq war!

wealth? just look down to African dictatorship, bleeding their countries to death. need to invade?

American men & women are a part of the deal? who made this deal for them? i am sure, 99 percent of them never wanted to be a part of this silly war.

too easy to say everybody is well aware what could happen. i say: nobody is. this is beyond imaginations. we are living in comfortable worlds. no one wants to leave to Iraq being well aware this could cost your live under inhuman circumstances. i do not believe this.

this war is superfluous, like others were before. just let's wait for its results and its consequences for the rest of the world.

rgds

You don't think the people that willfully join the military (we have an all-volunteer service) know that by doing so, they could be risking their own lives? What exactly do you think the military does?

And how could you possibly think that you have any idea WHATSOEVER what 99 percent of the people in this country want? Living in Germany certainly doesn't qualify.

[nacmacfeegle 0]

"Yet we support Uzbekistan with its torture chambers."

Uzbekistan, its not just torture chambers and an apalling human rights record, but also a repressive regime where political opposition is stifled, and the police are a tool of the head of state.
If an outside government supports such a situation, they become targets for the freedom fighters (terrorists to you and I) that would strike back against such a regime.
The people who take such action don't really care whether it was Clinton/Bush/or even George Washington's government that produced the situation, all they see is a Great Satan meddling in the affairs of their country. The friend of my enemy is my enemy applies equally here.
Terrorist action is generally a symptom of some deeper hatred, we must find the cause of this hatred, as well as dealing with the symptoms.
What drives people to fly planes into buildings should be the direction of the war on terror, and the answers are probably going to be as elusive as Bin Laden himself.

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[Ron 10]

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as your sig line is alway "on topic", my simple question: America was quite fine unter Clinton, the democrat, in fact: US was better at these times.

Beruit,USS Cole, the first WTC bombings....

Yeah better

You think if Clinton was in office 9-11 would not have happened? Keep dreaming.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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I agree. We started it, we have an obligation to finish it. We may lose thousands of US troops, but the time to decide that's OK or not OK is before we commit to a course of action, not a year later.

How do you know we didn't dicide it was OK a year ago?

You don't.

People die in war...thats what war does...If it created people it would be called sex.

Your little part about the Hitler thing was BS also. Bush is not Hitler like..Sadam was.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[christelsabine 1]

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You don't think the people that willfully join the military (we have an all-volunteer service) know that by doing so, they could be risking their own lives? What exactly do you think the military does?

And how could you possibly think that you have any idea WHATSOEVER what 99 percent of the people in this country want? Living in Germany certainly doesn't qualify

> what the military does?
everbody knows that. no need to reply.soldiers are well aware of what might wait for them.

and after (and if war is over, probably) all is over: how will be their return: horizontal or vertical? they are forgotten. no more bright shining heroes! what's about all the deeply broken wrecks with their ruined health / mental health? remember the surviving/returning soldiers after 1st desert war: nobody ever is noticing them. so many of them w/o any chance of a future, no more aim in life.

this is, what the simple private is not well aware.

>with re to your 2nd question:
our educational and cultural matters are good enough to watch the world with open mind. and.... it does qualify, f.e . to keep my own opinion on something.

we are not only reading Michael Moore, there is another interesting author too: Jimmy Carter, the so called "weak" president and his book "The Rebels".
he has many highly interesting views about Americans and their wars.

but, what i said is just looking upon in a different light, not a condemnation.

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[chuckbrown 0]

I think Beirut was under Reagan.

Other than that, keep on keepin' on.