bush or kerry?

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Given that, it boils down to which forms of liberalism are acceptable to an individual voter and which are not.

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Personally, I find Kerry's socialized medicine, college tuition vouchers, and affirmative action more palatable than Bush's intertwining of church and state, trampling of the bill of rights, and total disregard for the environment.

Well, no one has ever convinced me on socialized medicine, and I started listening to that argument as a blank slate.

Tuition vouchers, if like school vouchers, are the work of the devil in my opinion.

Affirmative action is the most racist and demeaning legislation to come around since Jim Crow.

Mixing church and state is a messy proposition, but it's ben a fact of life since that other George W. You know, Washington.

The bill of rights devastation has been horrible, but Kerry would add destroying the second amendment to the list. Do you really think he'll try to repeal the patriot act?

I don't think any senator has toed the ultra left democrat line the way Kerry has. Quite simply, he scares me.

But hell, either way I know my state will still be a blue state. Maybe I'll vote my conscience and go Libertarian, since I know how the state will end up anyway.

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I wouldn't call "cross border raids" an invasion. My African history is a little light, but I honestly don't recall declarations of war on South Africa by any of the named countries. Are we talking war, or skirmishes and policing actions against roaming thugs along the border?

The line there is blurry I think because so many "ex-military" from suffering countries take to bandit's life and murder for hire.

ps - do you remember when SA gave up their nuclear arsenal? (it was voluntarily, right?)

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Bush will get my vote.

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ps - do you remember when SA gave up their nuclear arsenal? (it was voluntarily, right?)

No shortage of blury lines here! The four countries mentioned were the "Front line States" in the war against Apartheid. It was a Police action in the same way Vietnam was a Police action. I think it was a fucking war, and vets from both sides agree with me.

SA gave up their nukes in the early 90's, prior to the 1st democratic elections while under a government of "National Unity" ie - no opposition party.

It was voluntry, and I think it was the right thing to do. We didn't need nuclear capability for our conflict.

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Four more years, baby!

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Tuition vouchers, if like school vouchers, are the work of the devil in my opinion.

Actually, what Kerry proposes is some sort of "national service" program starting for kids as young as 13. It's pretty radical and smacks of socialism, but it's kinda fun to toss around the melon wondering what shape it would have to take to get through Congress. My understanding is that his comments this week about cutting the current deficit included shelving at least some of this program. Anyhow, here's what he has to say on his website about it, I put it in chronological order so the college thing is at the bottom if you get sick of the posturing:

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Thirteen to seventeen year olds are too old for child care and too young for many summer jobs. John Kerry believes we should tap their energy and idealism through a summer of service learning. Supervised by AmeriCorps members, these young people could help out in nursing homes, clean up local areas, or teach seniors computer skills. In turn, they would receive a $500 grant to apply to their college or vocational educations down the road. Parents do not want to leave their children alone all summer but most cannot afford other means of care. The Summer of Service program would give parents peace of mind and at the same time build more responsible and dedicated young citizens and stronger, more vibrant communities.

As President, John Kerry will ensure that every high school student in America performs community service as a requirement for graduation. This service will be a rite of passage for our nation’s youth and will help foster a lifetime of service. States would design service programs that meet their community and educational needs. However, John Kerry does not believe in unfunded mandates. No state would be obligated to implement a service requirement if the federal government does not live up to its obligation to fund the program.

As President, John Kerry will call on young people to help strengthen America's security and address unmet community needs. In return, he believes we should offer young Americans and their families the opportunity for a college education. A Kerry Administration will offer Americans the chance to earn the equivalent of their state's four-year public college tuition in exchange for two years of service. If service members decide not to go to college, their award can be used for job training or to help start a business. John Kerry will set a national goal of half a million young people serving their nation every year within ten years. President Bush promised to double AmeriCorps, but he broke that promise and let Congressional Republicans cut the program in half. John Kerry believes we need to think big and do better and get 500,000 young Americans serving the nation.

Blues,
Dave

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[billvon 3,114]

>Four more years, baby!

And four more wars!

[markd_nscr986 0]

Ah, what's an atheist Libertarian to do, these days? Perhaps I ought to just go jump off a building.




or a Buddhist Republican enviromentalist NRA firearms instructor......for that matter

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