Swoopyswoop 0 #1 March 24, 2004 Just found out the contra costa county officials are trying to ban any and all civilians that currently own a .50 cal rifle. There reasoning is it is a high power military weapon that doesnt belong in the hands of a civilian. There fear of the weapon is it could be used in a terrorist act against a refinery??????? WTF, hell any high power deer rifle with the correct round could be used in a terrorist act against a refinery LMAO. County officials are urging all 20 citys in contra costa county to adopt the same feelings and try and enstate a ban against this caliber firearm. Sounds like we need to write our congressman and I am for sure going to a public hearing on this tomorrow night and voice my opinion. Anyone care to join me? California N.R.A officials will also be present to voice there opinions and feelings on this as well. Give me a shout if you want to meet there and lets see what these bleeding heart liberals have to say about our beloved refinery destroying .50 "when I die, I want to go like my grandfather while im sleeping, not like the passengers riding in the car with me Swoopster A.S.S. #6 Future T.S.S holder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoysPlayThing 0 #2 March 24, 2004 *Peaks in, and runs far away from this thread--------->*_______________________________________________ My mind is like a parachute...it functions only when open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #3 March 24, 2004 I hate to break it to you, but anti-gun locales have been targeting .50s for quite a while. They target any gun with less than universal ownership. They look to see what they can isolate a group from other gun owners. "Assault weapons" and .50 cal firearms are just two examples where they think they can start. Maybe someone should break it to them that most .50 cal firearms out there are replica old western gun or muzzle-loaders. These are "high power military weapons?" Got to love the "high power military weapon" logic. Maybe someone should tell them that the military uses underpowered rounds on a regular basis. The AK 47 uses smaller less powerful rounds than many other 7.62mm firearms. US standard issue M16 and M4 use the .223 ball round. That is maybe just a bit less powerful than a .30-06, a Win 30 Magnum, and other hunting cartridges.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swoopyswoop 0 #4 March 24, 2004 Yah I realize they have been after them for a while but never this close to home. Also they dont give a hoot about the muzzleloaders, the specifically are targeting the .50 B.M.G, I just dont understand how peopel can be so freakin stupid and numb to the fact that if they would open there eyes and be open to other voices , maybe the light would shine into there window as well. Jesus cars are killing people everyday and destroying private property and wrecking into places of business, homes, being used as an aid to robbery, murder, rape, and other attrocities, you dont see them trying to ban those as well. I just dont get it kennedy, Where are you located bro? "when I die, I want to go like my grandfather while im sleeping, not like the passengers riding in the car with me Swoopster A.S.S. #6 Future T.S.S holder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #5 March 24, 2004 stuck in Birmingham at the moment. Aiming for Charlotte or elsewhere in Carolina.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 March 24, 2004 Quote Just found out the contra costa county officials are trying to ban any and all civilians that currently own a .50 cal rifle. .50 BMG rifles are under attack all over the country. Like Kennedy said; the anti-gun folks figure they can bully them out of existence using fear-mongering, because not many people own them, so the gun owners don't have much money or influence to fight back. Civilians created accurate long range shooting with these rifles, which have now been adopted for service in the Armed Forces. Our snipers in Iraq wouldn't have this capability if not for these civilians tinkering with these rifles. Fifty Caliber Shooter's Association You can donate to the cause of saving these rifles from extinction, by entering a raffle for a really nice .50 caliber rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #7 March 24, 2004 http://www.fiftycal.org/california/index.html QuoteEnemy Movement in California .50 Cal Ban Efforts Revived at County and State Levels FCI sources in Sacramento report that Assemblyman Koretz is gearing up for a third try at banning .50 caliber rifles in California. We urge all California members to be ready for an attack and to spread the word among friends. FCI is watching the action closely and will be sending a breaking news alert as soon as any legislation is introduced. At the local level, Contra Costa County is again trying to ban .50 caliber rifles. You can get more info on the efforts, as well as contact info for the County Council by visiting one of FCI’s allies in the fight for freedom, the NRA Members Councils of California, check out their web site http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml. The County Council is scheduled to vote on this ban, Tuesday March 23rd, so act now, visit the web site and contact the Contra Costa County Council.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 March 24, 2004 Thanks........I just bought two raffle tickets! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #9 March 24, 2004 QuoteThanks........I just bought two raffle tickets! Good deal. Even if you lose in the raffle, you're still supporting a good cause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #10 March 24, 2004 If any of you go to a rally or press conference where anti-gun people are speaking against .50 cal., please be sure to ask the question, "So, Representative, um, how many crimes were committed with .50 caliber weapons in the last twenty years?" Watch as they change the subject to what the weapons could do (if someone wanted to tote around a 30-50 pound rifle for use in crime) -- because the answer to the question, I believe, is ZERO. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #11 March 24, 2004 Aren't we overdue for some anti-gunner to pop in here just to tell us we discuss guns too much, or that he doesn't give a shit about this subject? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #12 March 24, 2004 Not really, I think we are waiting for British experts....'round here"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #13 March 24, 2004 I live in a country where something like this is so unusual it ends up on the frontpage on national newspapers. So I think I'll run away from this one. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #14 March 24, 2004 Anti gun liberal view... as requested. Ahh Jeffrey. Don't you know that the 50 cal is considered an anti Materiel round? It's the ecconomics of sniping. That a 2 man team could disable 10 fighters and a radar instalation for an ammunition cost of under $100? It's a terrorists dream! That .50 BMG is the smallest practical HE round available? What you don't know is that there are probably terrorists all over the world practicing with these weapons right now... As for them never being used in crimes, I SAW one used to shoot down a police helicopter in the movie "SWAT" so don't you try and tell me they're not deadly terrorist friendly weapons. (Tonto removes tongue from cheek) Damn fine toys if you ask me. I'd LOVE to own one. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #15 March 24, 2004 I'd love one, or at least the opportunity to have a go with one. I don’t care if it has a practical use or not… it’d be cool to shoot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #16 March 24, 2004 QuoteAnti gun liberal view... as requested. Ahh Jeffrey. Right away this smacks of condescension, but let's proceed... QuoteDon't you know that the 50 cal is considered an anti Materiel round? It's the ecconomics of sniping. That a 2 man team could disable 10 fighters and a radar instalation for an ammunition cost of under $100? It's a terrorists dream! So how many times has that happened in the U.S.? After all, we're talking about banning them in the U.S., aren't we? How would that stop anyone elsewhere in the world from acquiring them? QuoteThat .50 BMG is the smallest practical HE round available? So, then, it's not as dangerous as others that are available and would still be available? Can I assume that your point is that the terrorists would prefer a larger round for more damage? If you meant it the other way around, I can still offer that the smallest .50 I know of is still impossible to conceal on one's person, and weighs in excess of at least 20 pounds, and is single shot. QuoteWhat you don't know is that there are probably terrorists all over the world practicing with these weapons right now... Forgive me if I must insist that before I go believing a claim like this, you provide me the tiniest shred or iota of EVIDENCE? I mean, um, that's quite a supposition, there. And again I ask you, what bearing does a domestic ban on these weapons have on people supplied by the government of Libya or what's that other one, Jordan or something? I really don't believe for one moment that Habib is buying his Barrett .50 cals over here and smuggling them across 8,000 miles to practice with them in the desert. QuoteAs for them never being used in crimes, I SAW one used to shoot down a police helicopter in the movie "SWAT" so don't you try and tell me they're not deadly terrorist friendly weapons. (Tonto removes tongue from cheek) Goddamned glad you at least disavow meaning that last one in earnest, but for the life of me can't understand why you'd include it since it actually works against your justification for .50 cal paranoia. QuoteDamn fine toys if you ask me. I'd LOVE to own one. Fuckin' A! Peace,-Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #17 March 24, 2004 dude - you're so caught up in the need to argue with people about this that you can't see he's taking the piss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #18 March 24, 2004 Quotedude - you're so caught up in the need to argue with people about this that you can't see he's taking the piss. He should make that clearer. And "taking the piss" may not be clear to many readers here. It sounds like someone's pilfering a urine sample. I know what it means because I spent a semester in London studying back in '92. You know, before your crime wave. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #19 March 24, 2004 Quote (Tonto removes tongue from cheek) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #20 March 24, 2004 "Not really, I think we are waiting for British experts...." British tuppence worth, guns....I don't give a rats ass about them, I don't like them, but I have used them in the past for vermin control (red deer mostly). To me they are just like any other powered tool, deadly in the wrong hands, beneficial if correctly used. I don't see the same emotion over say chainsaws..... As you were guys, have fun.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #21 March 24, 2004 Like NacMac says... A firearm is a tool to do a job, .22" for squirrels & rabbits, .303" for red deer... Which raises a small question ()... What job does a .50" BMG do? Have the american squirrels suddenly taken to going around in SUVs and body armour? And you REALLY need something to take out the vehicle, penetrate the body armour and kill the squirrel? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #22 March 24, 2004 California needs more Texans like you Scotty! Give 'em hell! If CA kicks you out, come to FL and we'll use that 50 cal on some GATORS and eat 'em on the BBQ! VinnyVinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #23 March 24, 2004 Ahh Jeffrey... I can't please you... You ask for a liberal arguement, and I leap at your command. The entire peice was tongue in cheek, and I said I'd like to own one, but still you fight with me... I'm so sad. I think I'm going to cry. I feel so...... misunderstood... Bwhahahahahah tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koz2000 1 #24 March 24, 2004 QuoteLike NacMac says... A firearm is a tool to do a job, .22" for squirrels & rabbits, .303" for red deer... Which raises a small question ()... What job does a .50" BMG do? Have the american squirrels suddenly taken to going around in SUVs and body armour? And you REALLY need something to take out the vehicle, penetrate the body armour and kill the squirrel? So when does everything have to be a useful tool?? There are a TON of people who don't like to hunt but like to shoot. It's recreational shooting. To put it in perspective, it's like saying the only canopy anyone should fly will be a MC-4. Small canopies are dangerous and who needs to attempt to injure themselves? The MC-4 (tool) gives safe delivery to the ground..... my .02______________________________________________ - Does this small canopy make my balls look big? - J. Hayes - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devcloud 0 #25 March 24, 2004 Quoteso when does everything have to be a useful tool?? There are a TON of people who don't like to hunt but like to shoot. It's recreational shooting. To put it in perspective, it's like saying the only canopy anyone should fly will be a MC-4. Small canopies are dangerous and who needs to attempt to injure themselves? The MC-4 (tool) gives safe delivery to the ground..... Used improperly a canopy will injure its user, used improperly a gun will injure others… I don’t know why, but I think that’s important to remember when looking at your analogy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
