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Just making comparisons (Skull and Bones is just left wing bait, I still think SENATOR Al Gore Sr had more pull).

It wasn't an even match and GWB still did better for his education.

Anyway, it really isn't about Gore anyway, it's about someone making a personal (appearance) slam on one guy doing his job as best as available and then talking about tax codes, which seems all of us consider the current situation unfair.

The two positions are:

1 - Some kind of flat rate or sales rate with the first bit of income exempted to account for cost of living or:

2 - The rich should pay for everyone because (because we aren't) and they are very bad people for being successful and should be sterilized and punished severely

Also, I like to see the fur fly.

It's very simple on the weekends.

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The rich should pay for everyone because (because we aren't) and they are very bad people for being successful and should be sterilized and punished severely



Thank god someone finally sees my point. This is a legitimate statement and I back it 100%. :S



That's it, I'm mailing you some tequila.

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Also the telecom situation is Clintons fault. Nortel stocks were on their way down 6 months before the election. Cisco was no different. Lucent had dove drastically long before that. MCI CEO Bernard Ebbers followed the Clintonian way of lying...



Sorry Brother, but the telcom situation is a product of its own demise and has nothing to do with either President. Like you, having worked for more than one Telecom company... I watched as companies financially over-extended themselves into oblivion. The quest (no pun) for more market share; business & marketing plans based on a pseudo-trend of bandwidth projections, billions in debt based on phony and inflated sales forecasts, partnerships based on executive stock options and Board appointments rather than quality of product, a myriad of other bad business decisions, people buying stocks based on daily volume chasing rather than good financial practices of P/E ratios, et. al. Any second year business student should have been able to predict that outcome..

Blaming a President, any President as the model of wrong-doing is unfair. Telecom got what it deserved. It was all about executive greed. Nothing else. We should have learned from the Roman Empire that any entity that begins to build up, rather than out is doomed to fail.

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Not sure how old you are, but during the cold war many people in the US believed that a nuclear war
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Ok first of all I am 29 and I do remember the movie the day after and I do know much more fear there was of a nuclear war in the 60's. However it never happpened and for that matter it never even started to happen. The world trade center was real and it left no doubt in anybody's mind as to what danger we as a country were in. Also the fact that the enemies are spread out makes it that much harder to defeat them once and for all. Whereas with the Soviet Union if we could take Moscow everything else would be easier after that.
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The rich should pay for everyone because (because we aren't) and they are very bad people for being successful and should be sterilized and punished severely



Thank god someone finally sees my point. This is a legitimate statement and I back it 100%. :S



You probably have more money than me. We should get together to split it up more equitably.



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First of all there was a ton of useless spending put forth by the Democrat Congress during Reagan terms but as for the money he spent on national defense, it could not possibly have been better spent.


OK -- Reagan was in charge of the good spending, and Congress was in charge of the bad spending. Teflon lives.
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After all he won the cold war. Something no Democrat could have ever done.


I think there might have been a couple of other contributing factors. And what exactly did we win? The ability of other countries to choose their presidents/prime ministers/viziers/pooh-bahs? Reagan was a pretty commanding international presence. But he was a lot more interested in strength of the "ones that count" than in strength through strengthening everyone.
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Clinton did nothing but set us back as a country and Increase the national debt anyway


If the President was responsible only for the military expenditures in the 1980's, why is he responsible for the non-military expenditures in the 1990's (there weren't a whole lot of military expenditures in the 1990's)? Is it simply because he was a Democrat?
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To the first part of the question. Between 1992 and 1994, Clinton was not only president but he had a congress controlled by his own party and they were set on their merry way to take our freedoms and economy straight to hell. Fortunately many people (mostly Rush Limnbaugh) were good and getting the word out of the horrors that were in store for us if somebody did not somehow put a leash on this guy (Clinton). So for the first time in 40 years Republicans once again regained control of congress. From that point foward any efforts of congress to roll back Clinton's failed policies or that of the Congresses dating back the las 40 years were met with a presidential veto by Clinton. I think he is up there as one of the presidents that vetoed the most bills.
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Dubya has had up to now the toughest challenge to deal with. Its worse than the Soviet Union was because our enemies are all over the world.


And the fact that we are, more and more, telling other countries "my way or the highway, your business is my business if I think it is" has absolutely nothing to do with it, right?

Being a strong country doesn't give us rights over other countries. Rights belong to you by virtue of being a country. It gives us responsibilities, to use the power wisely and for the common good. Using it just for our own good is called bullying. Of course, if you think power is the end, then I guess bullying is an irrelevant concept, isn't it?
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So I guess your saying the U.S. is bad because we have used our power to root out killers who planneed to otherwise attack us. Oh wait your going to say Al queda attacked us 2 years ago not Iraq, right. There is a certain reality that will be there no matter what. You can spin all you want, you can even deny it over and over again. But the fact is that this Muslim faith should be made illegal. Don't get me wrong there are some good people who practice this faith. However Mosques are, always have been and always will be a breeding ground for terrorists. Although liberals will put their best effort foward to blame America first and therefore attempt to equade the Muslims with the Judeo-Christans, its just not the case. I have yet to see the story of the church going Catholic boy who strapped explosives to him and went into a place where the infidels were with the intention to blow himself up soley for the purpose of pushing his religon ahead by killing people of a different faith. I haven't heard that story with a nice yamaka wearing Jewish boy either. But I am sick of hearing that same story with a muslim over and over again only for liberals to then make the most frivilous excuses to justify their actions.
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[reply But the fact is that this Muslim faith should be made illegal. .....I have yet to see the story of the church going Catholic boy who strapped explosives to him and went into a place where the infidels were with the intention to blow himself up soley for the purpose of pushing his religon ahealiberals .



You had me for a while, up to this point. Frankly, I consider all organized religions in the same boat - power structure to control the ignorant masses - keep 'em stupid, keep 'em pregnant, keep 'em dependent - (much like the Democratics more extreme types).

As far as the nice Catholic boy with the bomb - I'm sure someone will bring up bombing abortion clinics or shooting doctors or something.

How's that for stoking the fire?

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1300 SAT - that's not high. In fact, you'd only get into an Ivy League school with a 1300 SAT if you had affirmative action on your side, such as daddy being a major contributor. OH - my bad, that IS what happened.



Goofball - At that time, Bush Sr. was not very powerful (politically) at all (I believe he had recently lost either a governor or congress election). Actually Gore Sr was the high powered congressman, and Gore was the one who flunked out of college.



No mention of nazi-sympathizer/Yale alum/skull & bones member/Senator Prescott Bush?

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But the fact is that this Muslim faith should be made illegal. Don't get me wrong there are some good people who practice this faith. However Mosques are, always have been and always will be a breeding ground for terrorists.



That is probably one of the most racist things I have ever read on this forum. Sad that you actually believe that. You should look into some of these judeo-christian faiths and their histories before you make these statements. Terrorists can be found in any extremist group, it has nothing to do with the faith they prescribe to. Yikes.

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As far as the nice Catholic boy with the bomb - I'm sure someone will bring up bombing abortion clinics or shooting doctors or something.



I wouldn't exactly consider their relationship with protestants all that peaceful in some parts of the world. The crusades weren't exactly a mission of peace either.

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But the fact is that this Muslim faith should be made illegal. Don't get me wrong there are some good people who practice this faith. However Mosques are, always have been and always will be a breeding ground for terrorists. Although liberals will put their best effort foward to blame America first and therefore attempt to equade the Muslims with the Judeo-Christans, its just not the case. I have yet to see the story of the church going Catholic boy who strapped explosives to him and went into a place where the infidels were with the intention to blow himself up soley for the purpose of pushing his religon ahead by killing people of a different faith. I haven't heard that story with a nice yamaka wearing Jewish boy either.



Do you have any idea how repulsive, racist and stupid that sounds?

Not to mention that it is pretty much baseless. There are fanatics in almost every religion. Were the Crusades friendly to non-believers? Hitler's attempt to blot out the Jews? Israel blowing up Palestinians? The guy who was just put to death for the religion-based murder of an abortion doctor?

Pick a race or religion, and we can probably find an example of them killing people because they disagree or are different.

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Bush Sr. was not very powerful (politically) at all



But he came from the Bush family; Prescott Bush was a senator too, I believe. It's that "runs in the family" thing.

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1300 on SATs is 98 percentile or better back then


I took the SAT not too long after he would have. 1300 was good, but not awesome. It was a fairly basic score where I went to college.

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I did not know about a 'Prescott Bush'. Would that have been the grandfather? When did he serve? Maybe he had some pull to get G into school at that time. If so, then both of them were super silver spoon babies.

If he was the grandfather, I don't care about his politics if you want to apply them to the current GWB. Would you consider it fair to be judged based on someone 2 generations removed from you? Although I believe that is a straw both sides grasp at.

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But the fact is that this Muslim faith should be made illegal. Don't get me wrong there are some good people who practice this faith. However Mosques are, always have been and always will be a breeding ground for terrorists. Although liberals will put their best effort foward to blame America first and therefore attempt to equade the Muslims with the Judeo-Christans, its just not the case. I have yet to see the story of the church going Catholic boy who strapped explosives to him and went into a place where the infidels were with the intention to blow himself up soley for the purpose of pushing his religon ahead by killing people of a different faith. I haven't heard that story with a nice yamaka wearing Jewish boy either.



Do you have any idea how repulsive, racist and stupid that sounds?

Not to mention that it is pretty much baseless. There are fanatics in almost every religion. Were the Crusades friendly to non-believers? Hitler's attempt to blot out the Jews? Israel blowing up Palestinians? The guy who was just put to death for the religion-based murder of an abortion doctor?

Pick a race or religion, and we can probably find an example of them killing people because they disagree or are different.


Just because you don't like the way it sounds is no reason to call something baseless. If you need a base why not start with the hostages in Iran 1979, Panam flight 103, World trade center in 1993, then the U.S.S. Cole then the trade center in 9/11. I don't know how many attacks there have been in Israel this month but I am a sure you can find a few. I can keep going but I don't believe you can even start. No you can only try to date back to something that happened 500 years ago and try to spin that to make your point. Just because you will to live in denial of the truth is not a reason to call it baseless. Quite the contrary it is extremely founded. By the way incase you don't seem to understand the difference between fighting for a cause and terrorism. The key is suicide mission. IF you can get a group of people stupid enough that you can convince them that their life on earth is worth ending as long as the fulfill their duty for their faith because their reward after death will be so wonderful then you have just created a very dangerous group of people. Such people existed in Japan during world war II but as of now the only ones left in the world that I know of are the Muslims.
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>However it never happpened and for that matter it never even started to happen.

Do a google search on "the bay of pigs."

>Whereas with the Soviet Union if we could take Moscow everything else would be easier after that.

Do a google search on "McCarthyism." Communists were everywhere, infiltrating our country, destroying our way of life. It was us or them. Replace "communist" with "terrorist" and you could turn any McCarthy speech into a Rumsfeld speech. They have become our Great Satan.

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