Steel 0 #401 September 10, 2003 QuotePssst. Israel was only founded in 1947 -------------------------------------- I know that is why I named it confidently, knowing that nobody could link Hilter to terrorism there and throw off the statistics.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #402 September 10, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Without us buying their oil they would not have enough money to fund Terrorism in the first place. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please tell me where you obtained the financial documents showing the funding of terrorist organizations. Or did you assume this? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The fact in that far more Terrorist attacks that you are not aware of have been thwarted and stopped before they have occured. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you have some inside knowledge? I mean if we're not aware of them and you are, who told you? Or are you assuming again? Or are you psychic? Both of these have been quite widely reported in both US and international news sources, both left and right leaning... I was watching one of the NBC outlets the other night and they cited somewhere around 100 foiled plots against US interests in Europe... It has also been reported for years that Sadam sent $$$ to the families of palistinian suicide bombers. jAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #403 September 10, 2003 >Take McCarthy for intstance. Everything he said was accurate. Lucille Ball was a communist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #404 September 10, 2003 >Please tell me where you obtained the financial documents showing >the funding of terrorist organizations. Or did you assume this? I don't think terrorists report their income on their taxes. Probably the only real financial documents we have for terrorist funding are the receipts for the billions we gave the radical islamic terrorists in the 80's so they would kill communists for us. Bin Laden came from a wealthy Saudi Arabian family; there is a lot of evidence that the Sauds have funded terrorists. They are wealthy primarily because we buy oil from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #405 September 10, 2003 Quotenotice I said more than and not exactly. I gave a generous figure that I was sure about. I think it closer to 99%. 100 years. ok. heres one, 1995 i see a sample that gives a stat closer to 10% than 99%, and this is even after bush fled iraq and allowed thousands and thousands of solicited muslim supporters to perish AND parked thousands of americans in saudi arabia enraging the populace. i guess they were a little slow getting geared up. i had trouble finding more documents like this as most are dated post 9/11 and are overwhelmingly focused on muslims. the media barrage of the last 2 years enables this specious 'staticstic' of 99%. oh, and lest we forget US sponsored terrorism but this doesnt fit into your stats because any americans killed were killed by american dollars. as i said, the arguments you forward are specious at best.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #406 September 10, 2003 QuoteMy opninion Reagan was the best president that ever lived. Fact: He won the cold war inspite of all the liberal oppostion. President Reagan certainly needs to be given his just rewards for "winning" the Cold War all by himself. I think an Oscar for Best Performance in a Leading Role is appropriate. The same people who wrote his script for him in the 80's are writing the scripts for Bush. He just does not pull it off as well. Ronald Reagan was a passable actor, Neither George is and the current one is far worse than the last George who occupied the Oval Office. ( I still wonder how they manage to hide the strings.) Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #407 September 10, 2003 Quote( I still wonder how they manage to hide the strings.) Amazon, Welcome to the new millenium. They use GPS, microchips and remote control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #408 September 10, 2003 take a nap and the thread shrinks. anybody notice what the nazis verde dissappeared? talk about revisionist history!namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #409 September 11, 2003 Quote>Now, will somebody please explain to me how tax cuts for the >wealthiest 1% of the country helps? Uh, voodoo economics has been a favorite of the GOP for quite some time now . . . basically, the premise is that if you give a rich CEO a $1 million tax break, he might hire a few more people because he's richer and can afford it. Then you tax the people with the new jobs and get $100K back. And more importantly you get $200K as a campaign contribution from the rich CEO. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #410 September 11, 2003 The difference between religion and race is a very thin line. Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ypelchat 0 #411 September 11, 2003 "Do a google search on "crusades." If anything catholicism should be made illegal, if stopping wars is your objective. " Well, this is one of the shittyest post i've seen in years.... Yves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #412 September 11, 2003 QuoteThe difference between religion and race is a very thin line. Please explain - what are you trying to say? Most large religions - including Islam - are practised by people of all kind of races. Did you know that the largest (or second) largest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia (~ 220 M people) Indonesians are Asian not Arabs. Does not quite fit the stereotype of Muslim = Arab. Also, just to clarify, the religion is called Islam a follower of Islam is called a Muslim. There seems to be some confusion about this.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #413 September 11, 2003 The arabs were on Hitler's side during WWII (and still consider him to be a great example of what to do with Jews). They chose not to participate in the process that created Israel. They promised to destroy it if was created. They tried/continue to try to destroy it. They lose everytime they try to destroy it. I hate them as a culture. Not as a race (I am not a racist). I think we should be allowed to hate a culture such as this. edit to add - I think we should destroy a culture such as this.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #414 September 11, 2003 QuoteThe arabs were on Hitler's side during WWII (and still consider him to be a great example of what to do with Jews). They chose not to participate in the process that created Israel. They promised to destroy it if was created. They tried/continue to try to destroy it. They lose everytime they try to destroy it. I hate them as a culture. Not as a race (I am not a racist). I think we should be allowed to hate a culture such as this. edit to add - I think we should destroy a culture such as this. You are so oversimplifying a complex issue it is not even funny. It is sad. Stop watching Fox and read a couple of books about the Middle East - you might learn some things. For example using "Arabs" as a label for the whole Middle East demonstrate your lack of knowledge. BTW - saying that you hate Arabs as a culture and that you want to destroy them IS racist, bigot and in my book criminal. You are really suggesting killing millions of people. The above-mentioned Mr. Hitler would have been proud of you.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #415 September 11, 2003 Quotesaying that you hate Arabs as a culture and that you want to destroy them IS racist, bigot and in my book criminal. You are really suggesting killing millions of people. The above-mentioned Mr. Hitler would have been proud of you. I said that I hate the culture and should destroy this culture. They are the racists, and they have a culture of racism. I think there is a big difference between hating a racist culture because of their beliefs and actions, and hating a group of people because of their skin color, etc. Hatred is not illegal. Do you not hate the culture that attacked us 2 years ago? Maybe you think killing them with kindness will work? Culturist, not racist. Big difference.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #416 September 11, 2003 In order to destroy the Arab culture you have to kill the people, like Hitler tried to do to the Jews. Expressed hatred based on race and culture is a crime where I live. Don't know about the US. QuoteThey are the racists, and they have a culture of racism. By saying that all Arabs or Muslims have the same thoughts or "culture" then the terrorists you are demonstrating a) that it is you who has a culture of racism and b) that you have very little knowledge of the facts.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #417 September 11, 2003 QuoteExpressed hatred based on race and culture is a crime where I live. Don't know about the US. We are still allowed to express our thoughts here. The term "Arab world" is a widely used term that is used by those that are within that world. They also are allowed to express their thoughts in their countries, as long as it agrees with their leadership's racist teachings.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #418 September 11, 2003 QuoteWe are still allowed to express our thoughts here. The term "Arab world" is a widely used term that is used by those that are within that world. They also are allowed to express their thoughts in their countries, as long as it agrees with their leadership's racist teachings. I do not know if I should be angry or just feel sorry for you. I had just came of a plane here in Australia when the Towers got hit and stayed up all night (our time) watching things unfold and praying for those poor people. Tonight (which is morning your time) I will remember those victims and send my personal thoughts and “vibes” towards their families. People proposing we should destroy cultures, wipe out countries and kill millions are not honouring the victims. But I do not expect you to understand this.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #419 September 11, 2003 QuoteI do not know if I should be angry or just feel sorry for you. I don't care. Quoteproposing we should destroy cultures, wipe out countries and kill millions are not honouring the victims. I said the culture should be destroyed, not wipe out countries or millions of people. Destroying the culture of the Taliban was a good thing. That culture is thriving in other parts of the Arab world.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #420 September 11, 2003 Problem seems to be that you have no idea what the word "culture" stands for. I think Hitler probably started out saying he just wanted to destroy the jewish culture...--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #421 September 11, 2003 Quote We are still allowed to express our thoughts here. sure, in the US. but in dz.comland, it is strongly suggested that you control your medievel outbursts lest ye be censured, banned, deleted or locked. personally, i am asking the greenies not to lock or delete this thread. we can handle this. and - it goes to show 'to forget history is to repeat it'. try reading the thread, your sweeping condemnation of an entire culture to the extent of destruction is not welcome here. i am the least politically correct person here and i find your arguments flawed and your reactionary expression useless in these contexts. the world is bigger than the box, get out more often. oh, and have a nice daynamaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #422 September 11, 2003 QuoteProblem seems to be that you have no idea what the word "culture" stands for. I think Hitler probably started out saying he just wanted to destroy the jewish culture... Hitler was an evil aggressor. To compare what he was trying to accomplish to Americas motives is offensive. Self defence is a lot different than trying to rule the world. Most Americans hate war. We also hate unprovoked attacks on our soil. The Taliban and Al Queda opened the can of whoop ass, we're just doing the pouring. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #423 September 11, 2003 QuoteTo compare what he was trying to accomplish to Americas motives is offensive. Hitler was defending the Aryans against incursion. I think he was a sick bastard, but he was on the "defending yourself" continuum. Comparing ideas is not offensive. I have similarities to Hitler, we all do. I also have similarities to Osama Bin Laden. If you only try to understand the differences between yourself and others, and never the similarities, then it's a lot easier to end up surprised about the outcome of your actions. It's also a lot easier for others to misunderstand you. Because some of them can see the similarities. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #424 September 11, 2003 QuoteQuoteTo compare what he was trying to accomplish to Americas motives is offensive. Comparing ideas is not offensive. I have similarities to Hitler, we all do. I also have similarities to Osama Bin Laden. Wendy W.We may be similar in the fact that we are all human beings. The difference is that America does not murder innocent women and children to achieve it's goals. I know that some innocent civilians have lost thier lives in this conflict, but they were not specifically targeted. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #425 September 11, 2003 QuoteWe may be similar in the fact that we are all human beings. The difference is that America does not murder innocent women and children to achieve it's goals. Sure we do, and we have through history. We may not target them specifically much these days, but when we kill them and call it "collateral damage" or some other euphemism, we have still murdered them. And if you look at some of the things that went on in Vietnam, we certainly killed women and children. Sometimes they were acting as combatants, and sometimes they weren't. (And I'm not saying it was easy to tell the difference.) I'm also not saying we are a big perpetrator of these acts. In comparison to most places, we are the good guys. But to say that we haven't and don't do it is untrue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
