Malev 0 #251 September 9, 2003 QuoteI do know that the IRA has often been referred to as terrorists because they terrorize the British with suprise attacks on politicians and such. I don't support the IRA but obviously they are not as bad as the PLO's, who will stop at nothing to get what they want. The IRA, and similar groups, are referred to as terrorists because they are. Heres are some facts to put this into perspective for you - 3023 people died in the WTC attacks. 3523 people have died in the Northern Ireland troubles. Heres a quote from a report after the Omagh bombing, one of the worst attacks against civilians carried out by the Real IRA (a splinter group from the IRA): "The Omagh fatality list reads like a microcosm of troubles deaths, and left no section of Irish life untouched. The town they attacked is roughly 60-40 Catholic-Protestant, and the dead consisted of Protestants, Catholics, a Mormon and two Spanish visitors. They killed young, old and middle-aged, fathers, mothers, sons, daughters and grannies. They killed republicans and unionists, including a prominent local member of the Ulster Unionist Party. They killed people from the backbone of the Gaelic Athletic Association. They killed unborn twins, bright students, cheery shop assistants and many young people. They killed three children from the Irish Republic who were up north on a day trip. Everyone they killed was a civilian. The toll of death was thus both extraordinarily high and extraordinarily comprehensive." Read that, and then tell me again that these are the terrorists who "aren't so bad as the PLOs". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #252 September 9, 2003 >>So yes, the US is bad because we used our military power to >>increase the chance that terrorists will kill americans. ----------------------------------- >The only possible answer to this is that its just not true. What's not true? That 131 Americans have been killed by terrorists since Bush declared major combat over? Or that it's not true that terrorist attacks are increasing? From CNews, Aug 20: WASHINGTON (AP) - Two years into President George W. Bush's war against terrorism, America's resolve and patience are being tested by bloodshed and violence. From Baghdad to Jerusalem and across Afghanistan, attacks are growing and so are the casualties, bringing fresh criticism and questions about the administration's policy. Democrats and Republicans alike complain that the administration failed to anticipate the amount and sophistication of attacks in Iraq that have killed 131 U.S. soldiers since Bush, on May 1, declared an end to major combat there. "I think we may have misled the American people by telling them basically that it was over," said Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) on a fact-finding mission in Iraq. He said the hardest part is still ahead: trying to instill peace and democracy. While Bush boasts that the United States is winning the war, the terrorists are striking back with a vengeance. The latest examples are a deadly truck bombing at the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad and a bus attack in Jerusalem in which five Americans were among the 20 killed. In addition, there is an increase in guerrilla battles in Afghanistan, raising fears of a Taliban comeback. ------------------------------------ >>You would not be the first to suggest wiping out a religion or a race; >> fortunately we no longer tolerate this sort of bigotry. >Who here has mentioned race? I haven't. You did. You said "you look closer at the history you will find what is known as Purity of blood, meaning a Spaniard that has traced his ancestry to prove that indeed he has no Muslim in his background." You define Muslim as a race; purity of blood is a racial characteristic, not a religious one. >But the fact is that what religion one chooses is his choice. If a > religion advocates killing its a bad thing. Dude, YOU advocate killing! What religion are you? >Oh they have found Mosques raising money for terrorist attacks. And catholic churches raising money for IRA terrorist attacks. >I guess to be a good liberal you should just imagine that this is not >true so you can continue to take like a happy liberal. And apparently to be a good conservative you have to hate a race of people, and pretend that your hatred is reasonable whereas their hatred of you isn't. I'm going with the people who just want to end terrorism rather than end a race; there have been enough wars of genocide already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #253 September 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteYes, different forms of Christians disagree with each other but they don't kill each other because of it. Tell that to the Irish. ----------------------------------- Oh please I read like 5 books on the matter and wrote a 15 page paper on it. Religion is just and excuse for that conflict. The true motives behind it are the Irish wanting to have their entire country and the British not wanting to give up the occupied territory.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #254 September 9, 2003 Quote wouldn't go so far as to say that I find you naive liberal attitude toward the issue more threatening. Naive, because I don't make broad, prejudicial assumptions based on someone's religious beliefs or geographical place of birth, or pronunciation of their name. I definitely find your bigotry and prejudice as threatening as a terrorist. Because your views are exactly the same as theirs that fuel their actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #255 September 9, 2003 >Oh please I read like 5 books on the matter and wrote a 15 page > paper on it. Ah, well, if you read a few books, no doubt you understand the issues better than the people who have lived them. >Religion is just and excuse for that conflict. The true motives behind > it are the Irish wanting to have their entire country and the British > not wanting to give up the occupied territory. And this is different than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict . . . how? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #256 September 9, 2003 Quote>Oh please I read like 5 books on the matter and wrote a 15 page > paper on it. Ah, well, if you read a few books, no doubt you understand the issues better than the people who have lived them. >Religion is just and excuse for that conflict. The true motives behind > it are the Irish wanting to have their entire country and the British > not wanting to give up the occupied territory. And this is different than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict . . . how? ------------------------------------------------ Do you really need me to tell you why its different? Ok one more time just for you Bill. The Muslims believe that if the die fighting for the Muslim faith that they will go straight to heaven and have I don't know how many virgins. The Irish are just pissed off because their land was taken away but they don't think that if the die killing a Brit that the will go straight to heaven.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #257 September 9, 2003 QuoteYou have never heard of having your ancestry traced. Yes I sure have, though I know that in history many people weren't always honest about the religion they were following. So, maybe - ohh how shocking and earthshattering would this be - you might have some Muslim in your background. It is possible you are not so Pure of Blood......... QuoteYes to all of the above. I am proud of who I am and feel sorry for anybody who is not proud of who he is. I am sure that if you trace my family tree as far back as is possible, you will not find any Arab names. I know that it is due to our actions and not coincidence that the only people who have issue with my ancestors are far left wing liberals who only goal is to seek out anything good in the world and lash out false statements against it. I am sorry you feel superior to other people, but I am sure it gives you a nice false sense of security. QuoteYes, different forms of Christians disagree with each other but they don't kill each other because of it. I am sorry, but that just shows that you really have no clue what you are talking about. QuoteI don't propose to police it. But a good starting point is to stop denying it. There is no proof that every Muslim is a terrorist. Show me one study by an independent organization that proves that every Muslim is a terrorist and I will join you in your call to ban the religion. QuoteIf they rooted out all terrorist cells infiltrated in the U.S. that would make it significantly more difficult for them to attack us on our soil. But for that the liberals need to shut up and let us profile them. As for trading with them. It just comes down to Oil and I don't believe we need their Oil. You really think that it only comes down to oil? You really think that is all the trade you do? Canada has Mosques, so does Mexico, so does every country in Europe. If you stop trading with them (and you trade more than just oil with those countries), what do you think that will do to your economy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #258 September 9, 2003 QuoteThe Irish are just pissed off because their land was taken away but they don't think that if the die killing a Brit that the will go straight to heaven. Actually, they do. You have no idea what you're talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #259 September 9, 2003 Crap! Utter and complete crap! So much bollocks as to be beyond belief. Are you trying to tell me that The Parades at Drumcree are caused by the British Government? The throwing of pipe bombs at 5 year old kids on their first day of school is because of the British Government? Punishment beatings are the British Government? Extortion is because of the Britsih Government? Having your Femural artery slashed in an evelvator and left to bleed to death is because of the British Governement? Being taken from your family and shot in the back of the head because you comforted a soldier is the fault of the British Government? Shooting two friends having a beer is reuniting your country? Detonating a bomb during the minute's silence to commemorate those that fell during World Wars 1 and 2 is reuniting your country? Killing two kids Christmas shopping is reuniting your country? You may have written a 15 page paper on it but I'll be surprised if it's good enough to wipe my arse with. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #260 September 9, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe Irish are just pissed off because their land was taken away but they don't think that if the die killing a Brit that the will go straight to heaven. Actually, they do. You have no idea what you're talking about. when somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #261 September 9, 2003 QuoteYou may have written a 15 page paper on it but I'll be surprised if it's good enough to wipe my arse with. Okay, honestly laughing out loud in the office here, with people staring. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #262 September 9, 2003 QuoteCrap! Utter and complete crap! So much bollocks as to be beyond belief. Are you trying to tell me that The Parades at Drumcree are caused by the British Government? The throwing of pipe bombs at 5 year old kids on their first day of school is because of the British Government? Punishment beatings are the British Government? Extortion is because of the Britsih Government? Having your Femural artery slashed in an evelvator and left to bleed to death is because of the British Governement? Being taken from your family and shot in the back of the head because you comforted a soldier is the fault of the British Government? Shooting two friends having a beer is reuniting your country? Detonating a bomb during the minute's silence to commemorate those that fell during World Wars 1 and 2 is reuniting your country? Killing two kids Christmas shopping is reuniting your country? You may have written a 15 page paper on it but I'll be surprised if it's good enough to wipe my arse with. David ------------------------------------- No apparently your mistaken here. You sound like an angry Brit trying to lash out at me because you think I am pro Irish. I am not pro Irish I am not pro Brit. I actually like both countries by themselves. In other words they don't cause me any harm so I don't have an emotional side. I was simply reporting the reasons for which they are continually at odds with each other. You may say its uncalled for and I will agree with you that far. But to say that they are just killing innocent Brits because the simply wish to do harm and nothing there has anything to do with the British occupying there country is false. I am sorry.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Malev 0 #263 September 9, 2003 Quotewhen somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion. The reality is that your "facts" are wrong - and it is shockingly clear that you do not know what you are talking about. I don't where to start, other than to point you at some information on the background to the Northenr Ireland troubles and suggest you read that - since you are currently so grossly unaware of the real situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #264 September 9, 2003 Quotewhen somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion. Steel, have you noticed how none of the conservatives on this forum, and they definitely seem to outnumber liberals, join or defend you in your views? There is no one here defending your bigotry and hatred for fellow human beings. [sarcasme]You are a minority on these forums and I say you should be banned for it, since you and everybody like you are bad by definition. [/sarcasme] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #265 September 9, 2003 Like I said, there is no progress to be made with someone that has such ingrained bigotry and prejudice. No reason to argue this, you're entire, disgusting commentary repulses me. I just hope that others aren't persuaded by your completely ludicrous claims of superiority that ignore basic facts because you read a couple of books. Come to McGlinchy's with me and explain the Irish conflict to them, please. Just warn me first so I can get under the table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #266 September 9, 2003 QuoteI was simply reporting the reasons for which they are continually at odds with each other. Please tell us the books you read where you got these "reasons". Nevermind, I'll just browse through the fiction section and see if I can find them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #267 September 9, 2003 QuoteQuotewhen somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion. The reality is that your "facts" are wrong - and it is shockingly clear that you do not know what you are talking about. I don't where to start, other than to point you at some information on the background to the Northenr Ireland troubles and suggest you read that - since you are currently so grossly unaware of the real situation. Please state what I have said that is incorrect. Its sound more like you are engaging in the typical liberal game here. If we all just keep saying {little kid voice} thats not true, thats not true. Then eventually people will take it as a given that its not true. But lets assume for a second that you are truely above that. Now tell what does the IRA want? Is to make everybody in England Catholic? Or is it to take the six counties back in Ulster, Northern Ireland? Now tell more here. See as I understand it the only Reason England is Episcopelian as opposed to Catholic is because Henry the eighth wanted to get a divorce and Rome wouldn't let him. Also as I understand it there is not another religion out there more similar to the Roman Catholic religion than the Anglican one. So please explain to me why in other places in Europe like Germany where the majority of the people are not only not Catholic but they are for far more different Christian flavors, but yet the Catholics don't want to kill them. Or is it that I just missed a new report about Catholic committing some violent terrorist acts killing thousands of Lutherans in Germany?If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #268 September 9, 2003 And you, don't get me started.... 1997 - Coopey, a member of the Loyalist Volunteer Force beats Catholic shool boy to death with hammer, douses him with gasoline and sets him on fire. 2002 - Car bomb targets Catholic recruit to the new Police Service of Northern Ireland 10/02 - North Irish Protestant Gunmen Kill Catholic Postman 09/01 - The Red Hand Defenders¦, associated with the main Protestant grouping Ulster Defence Association, has claimed responsibility for the attack, in which a blast bomb was launched into the middle of a column of Catholic parents shepherding their children to what was their first day at primary school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #269 September 9, 2003 Quote1997 - Coopey, a member of the Loyalist Volunteer Force beats Catholic shool boy to death with hammer, douses him with gasoline and sets him on fire. 2002 - Car bomb targets Catholic recruit to the new Police Service of Northern Ireland 10/02 - North Irish Protestant Gunmen Kill Catholic Postman 09/01 - The Red Hand Defenders¦, associated with the main Protestant grouping Ulster Defence Association, has claimed responsibility for the attack, in which a blast bomb was launched into the middle of a column of Catholic parents shepherding their children to what was their first day at primary school. See, but you got this all wrong. It has nothing to do with religion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #270 September 9, 2003 What do the Palistines want? They want their own country and for the most part want religious freedom. Land is more important to them then anything else. I'd think that spending time in a Mosque would help enlighten you to others cultures and breaak free of sterotypes, but I'd bbe afraid to let you near a Mosque for fear of you making more people mad...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #271 September 9, 2003 > The Irish are just pissed off because their land was taken away but > they don't think that if the die killing a Brit that the will go straight > to heaven. Who the hell cares what they believe? I don't care if they believe that goats talk, or a virgin gave birth, or the great Beelzebub wants them to rub mud in their hair. The only issue for them (or for anyone) is what they DO. If you kill people you're a killer; doesn't matter why you do it, whether you are an IRA member killing a british soldier, an islamic activist killing an american soldier, or an israeli gunner killing half a dozen people in a palestinian van. And before you start in on how only Muslims are murderers, or only Muslims die because god wants them to, perhaps you remember this song that exhorts christians to die for their god: --------------------------------------------- Mine eyes have seen the glory Of the coming of the Lord; He is trampling out the vintage Where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning Of His terrible swift sword; His truth is marching on. . . . I have read a fiery gospel writ In burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with My contemners, So with you My grace shall deal": Let the Hero born of woman Crush the serpent with His heel, Since God is marching on. . . . In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom That transfigures you and me; As He died to make men holy, Let us die to make men free; While God is marching on. -------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #272 September 9, 2003 >You may have written a 15 page paper on it but I'll be surprised if >it's good enough to wipe my arse with. But he read like 5 books! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #273 September 9, 2003 And to take that even further, Al Queda wants the infidels out of their holy lands. If we didn't have bases and interests in Saudi Arabia, we wouldn't be terrorist targets. I am by no means saying that it's our fault that they attacked us. But the reason for their terrorist attacks is not to convert the world or for Muslim world conquest. They want their land for themselves and want us out of there. Israel and palestine is a perfect parallel to Ireland. The majority of Israelis and Palestinians peacefully co-exist, maybe with some underlying resentment and bigotry against one another. But a small minority on both sides wants to wipe the other side out. Mostly because of a continuous cycle of revenge for killings by both sides. These conflicts may have started with religion or political ideals, but all they boil down to is revenge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #274 September 9, 2003 QuoteI am sorry you feel superior to other people I feel... Heck, I KNOW I'm superior to Ontarians, but they're still OK people.... in their own simple wayRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kiltboy 0 #275 September 9, 2003 The British do not occupy N. Ireland that is complete crap and I thought you should know. The majority have voted to stay part of the UK (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) and so N. Ireland is part of the UK. That is what we call a democracy. With the exception of the 2 kids killed Christmas shopping the other examples I gave all occurred in the 6 counties that constitute N. Ireland. There are plenty more but I was getting mad so I thought I'd stop there. The terrorists are not killing Brits they are killing Irishmen. They are killing people born next door to them that they grew up with. They (and I gave examples from both loyalist and republican terrorist groups) are carrying out these attrocities on the Isle or Ireland. They are doing it to people that are born on the Isle of Ireland. There is a political process in place for change and it has happened successfully in Scotland and Wales. For a minority to resort to terrorism instead of politics is the reason that the violence is continuing. Now you may have written that in your paper but given your previous postings, I strongly doubt it so I'll stand by my previous judgement. 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Steel 0 #262 September 9, 2003 QuoteCrap! Utter and complete crap! So much bollocks as to be beyond belief. Are you trying to tell me that The Parades at Drumcree are caused by the British Government? The throwing of pipe bombs at 5 year old kids on their first day of school is because of the British Government? Punishment beatings are the British Government? Extortion is because of the Britsih Government? Having your Femural artery slashed in an evelvator and left to bleed to death is because of the British Governement? Being taken from your family and shot in the back of the head because you comforted a soldier is the fault of the British Government? Shooting two friends having a beer is reuniting your country? Detonating a bomb during the minute's silence to commemorate those that fell during World Wars 1 and 2 is reuniting your country? Killing two kids Christmas shopping is reuniting your country? You may have written a 15 page paper on it but I'll be surprised if it's good enough to wipe my arse with. David ------------------------------------- No apparently your mistaken here. You sound like an angry Brit trying to lash out at me because you think I am pro Irish. I am not pro Irish I am not pro Brit. I actually like both countries by themselves. In other words they don't cause me any harm so I don't have an emotional side. I was simply reporting the reasons for which they are continually at odds with each other. You may say its uncalled for and I will agree with you that far. But to say that they are just killing innocent Brits because the simply wish to do harm and nothing there has anything to do with the British occupying there country is false. I am sorry.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malev 0 #263 September 9, 2003 Quotewhen somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion. The reality is that your "facts" are wrong - and it is shockingly clear that you do not know what you are talking about. I don't where to start, other than to point you at some information on the background to the Northenr Ireland troubles and suggest you read that - since you are currently so grossly unaware of the real situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #264 September 9, 2003 Quotewhen somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion. Steel, have you noticed how none of the conservatives on this forum, and they definitely seem to outnumber liberals, join or defend you in your views? There is no one here defending your bigotry and hatred for fellow human beings. [sarcasme]You are a minority on these forums and I say you should be banned for it, since you and everybody like you are bad by definition. [/sarcasme] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #265 September 9, 2003 Like I said, there is no progress to be made with someone that has such ingrained bigotry and prejudice. No reason to argue this, you're entire, disgusting commentary repulses me. I just hope that others aren't persuaded by your completely ludicrous claims of superiority that ignore basic facts because you read a couple of books. Come to McGlinchy's with me and explain the Irish conflict to them, please. Just warn me first so I can get under the table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #266 September 9, 2003 QuoteI was simply reporting the reasons for which they are continually at odds with each other. Please tell us the books you read where you got these "reasons". Nevermind, I'll just browse through the fiction section and see if I can find them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #267 September 9, 2003 QuoteQuotewhen somebody argues with simple facts as your are doing by making this statement then there is no possible progress that can be made in continueing the disscussion. The reality is that your "facts" are wrong - and it is shockingly clear that you do not know what you are talking about. I don't where to start, other than to point you at some information on the background to the Northenr Ireland troubles and suggest you read that - since you are currently so grossly unaware of the real situation. Please state what I have said that is incorrect. Its sound more like you are engaging in the typical liberal game here. If we all just keep saying {little kid voice} thats not true, thats not true. Then eventually people will take it as a given that its not true. But lets assume for a second that you are truely above that. Now tell what does the IRA want? Is to make everybody in England Catholic? Or is it to take the six counties back in Ulster, Northern Ireland? Now tell more here. See as I understand it the only Reason England is Episcopelian as opposed to Catholic is because Henry the eighth wanted to get a divorce and Rome wouldn't let him. Also as I understand it there is not another religion out there more similar to the Roman Catholic religion than the Anglican one. So please explain to me why in other places in Europe like Germany where the majority of the people are not only not Catholic but they are for far more different Christian flavors, but yet the Catholics don't want to kill them. Or is it that I just missed a new report about Catholic committing some violent terrorist acts killing thousands of Lutherans in Germany?If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #268 September 9, 2003 And you, don't get me started.... 1997 - Coopey, a member of the Loyalist Volunteer Force beats Catholic shool boy to death with hammer, douses him with gasoline and sets him on fire. 2002 - Car bomb targets Catholic recruit to the new Police Service of Northern Ireland 10/02 - North Irish Protestant Gunmen Kill Catholic Postman 09/01 - The Red Hand Defenders¦, associated with the main Protestant grouping Ulster Defence Association, has claimed responsibility for the attack, in which a blast bomb was launched into the middle of a column of Catholic parents shepherding their children to what was their first day at primary school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #269 September 9, 2003 Quote1997 - Coopey, a member of the Loyalist Volunteer Force beats Catholic shool boy to death with hammer, douses him with gasoline and sets him on fire. 2002 - Car bomb targets Catholic recruit to the new Police Service of Northern Ireland 10/02 - North Irish Protestant Gunmen Kill Catholic Postman 09/01 - The Red Hand Defenders¦, associated with the main Protestant grouping Ulster Defence Association, has claimed responsibility for the attack, in which a blast bomb was launched into the middle of a column of Catholic parents shepherding their children to what was their first day at primary school. See, but you got this all wrong. It has nothing to do with religion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #270 September 9, 2003 What do the Palistines want? They want their own country and for the most part want religious freedom. Land is more important to them then anything else. I'd think that spending time in a Mosque would help enlighten you to others cultures and breaak free of sterotypes, but I'd bbe afraid to let you near a Mosque for fear of you making more people mad...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #271 September 9, 2003 > The Irish are just pissed off because their land was taken away but > they don't think that if the die killing a Brit that the will go straight > to heaven. Who the hell cares what they believe? I don't care if they believe that goats talk, or a virgin gave birth, or the great Beelzebub wants them to rub mud in their hair. The only issue for them (or for anyone) is what they DO. If you kill people you're a killer; doesn't matter why you do it, whether you are an IRA member killing a british soldier, an islamic activist killing an american soldier, or an israeli gunner killing half a dozen people in a palestinian van. And before you start in on how only Muslims are murderers, or only Muslims die because god wants them to, perhaps you remember this song that exhorts christians to die for their god: --------------------------------------------- Mine eyes have seen the glory Of the coming of the Lord; He is trampling out the vintage Where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning Of His terrible swift sword; His truth is marching on. . . . I have read a fiery gospel writ In burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with My contemners, So with you My grace shall deal": Let the Hero born of woman Crush the serpent with His heel, Since God is marching on. . . . In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom That transfigures you and me; As He died to make men holy, Let us die to make men free; While God is marching on. -------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #272 September 9, 2003 >You may have written a 15 page paper on it but I'll be surprised if >it's good enough to wipe my arse with. But he read like 5 books! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #273 September 9, 2003 And to take that even further, Al Queda wants the infidels out of their holy lands. If we didn't have bases and interests in Saudi Arabia, we wouldn't be terrorist targets. I am by no means saying that it's our fault that they attacked us. But the reason for their terrorist attacks is not to convert the world or for Muslim world conquest. They want their land for themselves and want us out of there. Israel and palestine is a perfect parallel to Ireland. The majority of Israelis and Palestinians peacefully co-exist, maybe with some underlying resentment and bigotry against one another. But a small minority on both sides wants to wipe the other side out. Mostly because of a continuous cycle of revenge for killings by both sides. These conflicts may have started with religion or political ideals, but all they boil down to is revenge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #274 September 9, 2003 QuoteI am sorry you feel superior to other people I feel... Heck, I KNOW I'm superior to Ontarians, but they're still OK people.... in their own simple wayRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #275 September 9, 2003 The British do not occupy N. Ireland that is complete crap and I thought you should know. The majority have voted to stay part of the UK (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland) and so N. Ireland is part of the UK. That is what we call a democracy. With the exception of the 2 kids killed Christmas shopping the other examples I gave all occurred in the 6 counties that constitute N. Ireland. There are plenty more but I was getting mad so I thought I'd stop there. The terrorists are not killing Brits they are killing Irishmen. They are killing people born next door to them that they grew up with. They (and I gave examples from both loyalist and republican terrorist groups) are carrying out these attrocities on the Isle or Ireland. They are doing it to people that are born on the Isle of Ireland. There is a political process in place for change and it has happened successfully in Scotland and Wales. For a minority to resort to terrorism instead of politics is the reason that the violence is continuing. Now you may have written that in your paper but given your previous postings, I strongly doubt it so I'll stand by my previous judgement. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
