PhillyKev 0 #501 September 11, 2003 QuoteToronto Star: The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism. ----------------------------------------------- Reinvigorating a weakened terrrorist network means there had to be a terrorist network there. But according you there never was. Ok Circular logic, once again. We weakened it by routing them out of Afghanistan. We took away their training grounds. Then we REMOVED Hussein, who was NOT letting them set up training ground in Iraq. Thereby providing them with a new place to gather. Where, in that statement that you copied does it say there was a link between Saddam and Al Queda. It says there is a link between US occupied Iraq and Al Queda. Big difference, don't you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #502 September 11, 2003 Quotedid you miss part of Bill Von's post Toronto Star: The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism. ----------------------------------------------- Reinvigorating a weakened terrrorist network means there had to be a terrorist network there. But according you there never was. Ok You are misunderstanding what he said, and what the facts are. There are no proven direct ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq. If you disagree, show us the evidence. The indirect tie is the United States. We have attacked both entities for various reasons. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not a logically-proven fact. Plenty of examples counter it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #503 September 11, 2003 QuoteThe U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism. ----------------------------------------------- Reinvigorating a weakened terrrorist network means there had to be a terrorist network there. But according you there never was. Ok Once again, your logic makes no sense whatsoever. it could also be taken that the US led invasion of Iraq has taken the focus off Al Qaeda so they are able to reinvigorate their terrorist network. THat doesn't mean there were ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Or it could mean that AL Qaeda might now be operating in Iraq. But that still doesn't prove there were ties prior to that invasion or during the planning and excecution of 9/11. But once again, I don't think your brain can handle those other options. Further, it is not possible for someone to become a priest in the roman catholic church without a working knowledge of Latin. QuoteThink again, talk to a Muslim and get back to me. You may find a translation So which one is it? Can I find a translation or can I not find a translation???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #504 September 11, 2003 Circular logic, once again. We weakened it by routing them out of Afghanistan. We took away their training grounds. Then we REMOVED Hussein, who was NOT letting them set up training ground in Iraq. Thereby providing them with a new place to gather. -------------------------------- Did you miss this response to your post? I will copy and paste it for you. ========================== Both of these have been quite widely reported in both US and international news sources, both left and right leaning... I was watching one of the NBC outlets the other night and they cited somewhere around 100 foiled plots against US interests in Europe... It has also been reported for years that Sadam sent $$$ to the families of palistinian suicide bombers. ================================= ------------------------------------------ apparently you didn't read this response to your post.. Or are you going to tell me that he (Saddam Hussein) liked/likes the Palestinian Terrorists but not Al Queda. No your logic is not circular, ITS SILLY. Its just the typical liberal left trying over and over again to make excuses for enemies of the U.S.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #505 September 11, 2003 QuoteToronto Star: The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism. ----------------------------------------------- Reinvigorating a weakened terrrorist network means there had to be a terrorist network there. But according you there never was. Ok ??????? Yes Al Qaeda's network is damaged and they use the war in Iraq to recruit people pissed off with the Americans. And your point is? Does not say the network is in Iraq, the network is all over the world including the US. The war in Iraq in many people's opinion actually might help them, but that does not prove any ties prior to the war between Saddam and Osama. From the same source: “The Iraq war was a setback to the ongoing battle against terrorism because it diverted intelligence resources and provided a boost to al-Qaeda's recruitment, a terror expert has told MPs. Professor Paul Wilkinson of St Andrews University also raised the prospect of a nuclear terror attack in evidence to the Commons Foreign Affairs Select committee. He said most counter-terrorism experts accepted there was a "significant downside" to the Iraq war and he suggested there still might be terror attacks avenging the conflict. Prof Wilkinson told the committee: "All of us breathed a great sigh of relief at the fall of the brutal Saddam regime. "[But] most observers on counter-terrorism would accept there was a very significant down-side to the war in Iraq as far as counter-terrorism was concerned." "--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #506 September 11, 2003 lol, three people saying to the same thing. Steel have you met Clue yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #507 September 11, 2003 QuoteOr are you going to tell me that he (Saddam Hussein) liked/likes the Palestinian Terrorists but not Al Queda. You are assuming things Steel, there is no proof of this, not one spec of it. What part of that can you not get through your skull? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #508 September 11, 2003 QuoteIts just the typical liberal left trying over and over again to make excuses for enemies of the U.S. Ahhh, finally you are talking facts and reasoned analysis. Well done. --------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #509 September 11, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Think again, talk to a Muslim and get back to me. You may find a translation -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So which one is it? Can I find a translation or can I not find a translation???? ------------------------------------------- You can find a translation but they will not use it to teach their faith. They believe it does not do them justice, that the translation misses the point. Is that too difficult for you to understand?If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #510 September 11, 2003 QuoteYou can find a translation but they will not use it to teach their faith. But you claimed earlier there was no translation of the Koran. So, you are wrong again. BTW, did Mohamed Ali (the boxer, just in case) speak Arabic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #511 September 11, 2003 QuoteQuoteYou can find a translation but they will not use it to teach their faith. But you claimed earlier there was no translation of the Koran. So, you are wrong again. BTW, did Mohamed Ali (the boxer, just in case) speak Arabic? no what I said was not a translation that they made for themselves. Don't you wonder why he changed his name from Cashius Clay to MOHAMAD ALI. See you are hopeless.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #512 September 11, 2003 QuoteDon't you wonder why he changed his name from Cashius Clay to MOHAMAD ALI. See you are hopeless. you didn't answer my question. Did he speak Arabic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #513 September 11, 2003 Justin, Maybe it is time for us to give it a break for awhile and let the medications kick in. 'k? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #514 September 11, 2003 QuoteIt has also been reported for years that Sadam sent $$$ to the families of palistinian suicide bombers PLO does not equal Al Queda Saddam was "rewarding" the family members of suicide bombers after their attack was made. That is not even close to being the same as funding the Al Queda network. QuoteIts just the typical liberal left trying over and over again to make excuses for enemies of the U.S. As opposed to, (well, I would call you the typical neo-conservative, but you're not...you're leanings are more fascist than that.) you trying to make up reasons to justify a war that was based on lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #515 September 11, 2003 QuoteMaybe it is time for us to give it a break for awhile and let the medications kick in. 'k? you are right, it is time for my valium Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #516 September 11, 2003 QuoteDon't you wonder why he changed his name from Cashius Clay to MOHAMAD ALI. See you are hopeless. Let me see - he became a Muslim? You just crack me up. You are not for real are you? If yes, Jerry Springer just called - he wants you on the show.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #517 September 11, 2003 QuoteQuoteDon't you wonder why he changed his name from Cashius Clay to MOHAMAD ALI. See you are hopeless. you didn't answer my question. Did he speak Arabic? I am sure he started learning it the second he became involved with that. I know that because I know Palestinian Muslims who have said so. That Arabic is a language that revolves around religion. That the Koran looses all its meaning if its not in Arabic. That is the difference between me and you. You are just a happy liberal who truly knows nothing about what he is talking about. But you try your best to not radically offend anybody so that they do not challenge your inaccurate statements. Though that may make you feel good about yourself in the end you are left with a serious lack of knowledge. But don't worry you are not alone.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #518 September 11, 2003 QuoteMaybe it is time for us to give it a break for awhile and let the medications kick in. 'k? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- you are right, it is time for my valium I wasn't thinking about you, or about valium. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #519 September 11, 2003 QuoteI am sure he started learning it the second he became involved with that. Then how did he learn anything about Islam before he started learning Arabic? QuoteYou are just a happy liberal who truly knows nothing about what he is talking about. I am not a liberal, nor have I ever voted liberal in any election in two different countries on two different continents. QuoteBut you try your best to not radically offend anybody so that they do not challenge your inaccurate statements. You are right I do not believe in offending people based on race or religion or mental or physical handicap, to name a couple. I can back up my statements with more than just saying that it is the truth just because I say it is. QuoteThough that may make you feel good about yourself in the end you are left with a serious lack of knowledge. My lack of knowledge, now that is funny. So, which continent is Russia on? Are indonesians arab or asian? Did Al Qaeda have ties with Saddam Hussain prior to September 11th, 2001? Did Mohamed Ali speak Arabic? Can I find a translation of the Koran? Can one become a priest in the Roman Catholic church without understanding Latin? Please provide proof of your superior knowledge and asnwer these question. However, you will have to provide proof that your knowledge is correct and hence you will have to be able to back up your statements. This back up should contain more than just the statement: "because I said so". The ball is in your corner Steel, show us your superior knowledge! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #520 September 11, 2003 QuoteYou can find a translation but they will not use it to teach their faith. They believe it does not do them justice, that the translation misses the point. The same is true of the Jewish Torah. Does this mean that all Jews, no matter how observant, are the same? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #521 September 11, 2003 WOW... from 10: to 11:55 (Redmond Time)no posts. How the hell did that happen... Me thinks some people went to lunch Amazon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #522 September 11, 2003 Nope....just waiting for Steel's proof. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #523 September 11, 2003 QuoteNope....just waiting for Steel's proof. I hope you aren't holding your breath or fasting while you wait. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #524 September 11, 2003 Nah, I figure it takes a while to spell out a bibliographical reference on a ouija board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #525 September 11, 2003 Either that or it is some kind of teletype machine tuned in and extracting messages from cosmic radiation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
