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you can all have fun with an obvious typo but the content is pretty clear.

Based on all of the other erroneous information and completely, factually, incorrect statements that you made, how is it obvious to anyone that was a typo? (and I really doubt it was).

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you can all have fun with an obvious typo but the content is pretty clear.

The whole point is that so much of what you are saying is false that we have no way of knowing what is a typo and what just stupid, but exactly what you intended to say.

Please pardon our confusion.

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Here you go. My 8 year old nephew was browsing this site the other day. You might want to check it out. I'll give you his email if you have any questions.

http://www.worldatlas.com/geoquiz/thelist.htm

I think you need to read this yourself then you could tell me what the largest continent in the world is. Then afterwords you can Explain how Russia 1/9the of the world's land is in the second smallest continent, Europe.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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People whose language came from Latin should therefore be called Latinos.

English was mostly derived from French, with some latin thrown in. So are all english speaking people franco-latinos?

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So are all english speaking people franco-latinos?

If we could all be Franco-Americans, we would be pasta in little cans.

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First of all most of Russia lies in the Russian continent.

There is no Russian continent.

More that 2/3 of Russia is East of the Ural Mountains

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Geographically but not population wise. AFAIK more the 2/3 live in the European part of the country.

I don't care what relation they have to the Slavic people

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Well they are Slavic people. But I know you don't care for facts. BTW the last person I remeber calling Slavic people Asians was Adolf Hitler - hmmmmm.

Saying Indonesia has the most Muslims in kind of meaningless. The only reason for this is because its such a very populated country. There are more Norwegians in the U.S. then there are in Norway but that mean American is more Norwegian than Norway. People following the Muslim faith will as a rule speak Arabic.

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Get hold of yourself you lost your marbles totally. My poor Norwegian cousins do not want to be involved...

People following the Muslim faith will as a rule speak Arabic***

No. See above facts taken from the CIA fact book. BTW there are other large Muslim countries outside the Middle East. Malysia is another one (that is in Asia) and others are in Africa. I give you an examle you even might understand.
For a long time the Bible was only available in Latin (something Luther rebelled against). That did not mean that all Christians at the time spoke Latin to each others or at all. Comprende?

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Then afterwords you can Explain how Russia 1/9the of the world's land is in the second smallest continent, Europe.

It was already explained to you above. 1/3 of Russia is in Europe. 2/3, the part east of the Urals (the continental divide) is in Asia.

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People whose language came from Latin should therefore be called Latinos.

English was mostly derived from French, with some latin thrown in. So are all english speaking people franco-latinos?

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If you wanted to break it down that way however the Anglo-saxen is more direct. But if you wanted to go further a more correct parallelism is is that it is a Teutonic language together with Dutch, German, Swedinsh, and I don't remember right now if there were any others.

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Latin is a mother Language spoken originally in part of what is now Italy. People whose language came from Latin should therefore be called Latinos.

Emphasis mine. This is exactly my point: the fact that you believe that French/Italians et al should be called Latinos does not make that so. In point of fact they are not.

On the other hand, you argue that Mexicans should not be referred to as Latino because they are descended from Aztecs. However, this was never your criteria for what should or should not be called Latino. Mexicans do speak Spanish, which is a Romance language; hence by your "definition," the Mexicans should be called Latinos.

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If you wanted to break it down that way however the Anglo-saxen is more direct.

Ok, so by your reasoning:
Indonesians are Arabs because they speak Arabic (even though they don't, they just have religious texts in that language)

Therefore, native Hawaiians are Anglo-saxon because they speak English. Do I have it right now?

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I think you need to look at a map to start out with. According to you Russians are Europeans, even though most of Russia is in Asia. Now when you look across you won't a need a computer to tell you that if Europe was extended all the way East through Russia that it would indeed be the largest continent of the world. BTW. I was the one who said more than two thirds and that was being generous it looks like more than three fourths.

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Just to clarify, Steel is (shockingly) right about this minor tangential point - the roots of English are decidedly more Germanic than they are French. This doesn't mean, of course, that Steel should be let off the hook for the rest of the crap he spouts.

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Now what don't you understand?

I definitely understand that by denying mexicans being latino is Eurocentric racism...these damn indians cant possibly be latino... since they only speak mexican and not spanish.

I remember when first coming to the Pacific NW in the 1970's with the Native American Tribes asserting thier treaty rights for fishing for salmon. Many whites were really upset and the racism was running high against tribal members.
I also remember the same people.. thinking I was one of them voicing those opinions.. TILL they found out I was from the south... therefore I must be a racist against african americans. Well as a point of fact I am not. My Family is what you would call diverse, its old south....1690's.. some of my ancestors owned slaves... and some of the men folk had children by slaves. Now to the utter chagrin of some certain sheet wearin folk in the family they deny that the cousins of color are really family.. Well they have family blod they are family. Period. But then again they swear up and down that my great grandmother was not full blooded Seminole either.

I am a study in ethnic diversity on this continent... and a lot of people would be very surprised WHO is in thier family trees. This whole hemisphere is one huge melting pot.. and racism is the UTMOST in stupidity.

AS far as Mexicans not being Latino.. well welcome to the american reality.. Mr Bruno Rodriguez.

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This doesn't mean, of course, that Steel should be let off the hook for the rest of the crap he spouts.

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[PhillyKev 0]

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Just to clarify, Steel is (shockingly) right about this minor tangential point - the roots of English are decidedly more Germanic than they are French. This doesn't mean, of course, that Steel should be let off the hook for the rest of the crap he spouts.

That was true of Old English until about 1150. But at that point there was a huge influx of French introduced into the language. The majority of English words spoken today trace their etymology to French.

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I am trying to stay away from this thread because got way too repitious. But I have to have fun with this.

LOL, we are the one having fun, your uninformed banter provides hours of entertainment for quite a few people here.

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Thats right, Russians are Asians

Well except for those Russian in the European part of Russia. There are some countries (at least two I can think of) whose land spreads over more than one continent. I know that might be a little tough for you to understand, but Russia is in both Asia and Europe.

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I can guarantee that the Mosques in Indonesia are reading their Korans in Arabic and speaking Arabic amongst themselves as well. I guess in the end they are no less Arabic than the Palestinians and that fact that they are in Asia is totally meaningless.

This is one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard. The official language of the Vatican is Latin. So, with your warped sense of logic, that would make all Roman Catholics Latinos, regardless of the continent they practice their faith in or their ethnic background.

Once again you just show your ignorance and the fact that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

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Latin is a mother Language spoken originally in part of what is now Italy. People whose language came from Latin should therefore be called Latinos.

Emphasis mine. This is exactly my point: the fact that you believe that French/Italians et al should be called Latinos does not make that so. In point of fact they are not.

On the other hand, you argue that Mexicans should not be referred to as Latino because they are descended from Aztecs. However, this was never your criteria for what should or should not be called Latino. Mexicans do speak Spanish, which is a Romance language; hence by your "definition," the Mexicans should be called Latinos.

you have a point but only to a certain extent. See there are still Mexicans who speak Aztec. Their national language has become Spanish, but the difference is that there are real Latin people. In Europe people still use that term and they are not referring to a group of people trying to change their political stance with a false term. People that did not pick that term out of the air to avoid their true heritage. First there were, Chicanos, no that was offensive, then Mexican, no there is a problem there, then Hispanic, no we don't like this anymore now Latino. Well I am fed up with it. I am a true Hispanic, (somebody who descends from Spain and only from Spain). I am a true Latin somebody whose ancestors (spoke Latin, ALL OF MY ANCESTORS). I will go so far as to say that I do not know for sure who were the original Arabs and what is required to define somebody as Arabic. Its not my culture and I really don't care. But the fact that Saudi ARABIA is in Asia, as is the rest of that entire peninsula, makes it sound awfully stupid to me to suggest that some culture is not Arabic because they are in Asia.

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I am a true Hispanic

No you are not. You live in the wrong country to be a true Hispanic.

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See there are still Mexicans who speak Aztec.

And there are still Mexicans who are mostly Aztec. They are not Latino.

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First there were, Chicanos, no that was offensive, then Mexican, no there is a problem there, then Hispanic, no we don't like this anymore now Latino. Well I am fed up with it.

What I'm fed up with is the need to label people at all. Which is what you can't resist doing.

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I will go so far as to say that I do not know for sure who were the original Arabs and what is required to define somebody as Arabic. Its not my culture and I really don't care.

Considering you're the person calling for the destruction of all Arabs, don't you think you should know who the hell they are first?

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That was true of Old English until about 1150. But at that point there was a huge influx of French introduced into the language. The majority of English words spoken today trace their etymology to French.

Damn Normans and their pesky invasion.

I would say that given the history of Europe that there's a mix of many languages in English but certainly German and English have a common route. The use of French derived words came from the Nobles speaking French in the time period that you state.

As for the geography debate. Did nobody here play Risk?

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This is one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard. The official language of the Vatican is Latin. So, with your warped sense of logic, that would make all Roman Catholics Latinos, regardless of the continent they practice their faith in or their ethnic background.
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No that just shows your lack of knowledge. I have a New testament bible in German. I have seen them in Spanish, English and only god knows how many other languages. I have been to Catholic mass in four different languages. Although Latin was the original Catholic language, the tie is not anywhere near the same. I have never heard that somebody who does not speak fluent Latin can not be a priest. But you can rest assure that nobody can hold a meaningful position in the Muslim faith who does not speak Arabic.

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As for the geography debate. Did nobody here play Risk?

Yes. I will make my stronghold in Australia, then move out slowly to conquer the world.

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That was true of Old English until about 1150. But at that point there was a huge influx of French introduced into the language. The majority of English words spoken today trace their etymology to French.

Ok we could get really wierd...

Ancient Peoples... various forms of Celtic... from the times of the retreat of the ice sheets... The Saxons are in there as well as the Welsh.. Scots...Gaelic then the Romans.. throw in some Latin..... then the Scandinvaians went a Viking... a verb actually used to describe leaving home in search of land and plunder by the younger sons who would inherit nothing....some of my ancestors hail from them.. Danish ... extract by way of Scotland . With the Norman Invasion there was the influx of the French...then again the English did a good job of crossing the channel a few times themselves... So being of English or Scoth or Irish.. pretty much was the melting pot in the olden days.. then again.. who the hell is pure ANYTHING.. people have been migrating all over the planet for a very long time..

Complex stuff.. but by his logic I guess I am a Latino as well since anyone who is anyone in England must do thier recitation in Latin. I had never thought of that before. Since I have some Roman ancestry way the hell back there..

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I think you need to look at a map to start out with. According to you Russians are Europeans, even though most of Russia is in Asia. Now when you look across you won't a need a computer to tell you that if Europe was extended all the way East through Russia that it would indeed be the largest continent of the world. BTW. I was the one who said more than two thirds and that was being generous it looks like more than three fourths.

One more time:

Most Russians (ethnic Russians) live in the European part of the country and they are part of the Slavic ethnic group which is European. There are other ethnic groups in the Russian federation, many of them Asian.
Australians live close to Asia - does not make them Asians so. But they really don't care. Racial stereotype arguments is for bigots. There was a guy big on "Blood and Earth" theories trying to classify people in those weird ways. His name was Hitler.

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See there are still Mexicans who speak Aztec.

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And there are still Mexicans who are mostly Aztec. They are not Latino.
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That is funny that you said that because then according to your definition most Mexicans are not Latino then. See Spain never had the majority of the population in Mexico. I think the highest they ever got was 25% and they don't even have that now. Why do you think most Mexicans you see are darker and shorter then the Spaniards and don't forget the obvious Aztec Indian features in the face.

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