I still can't hook turn

[grasshopper 0]

Someone answer my question dammit! at DZs that prohibit hook turns, how do THEY define it? I know we can argue all day for a definition, but how do the DZs define it? (I need to know because I have a stilleto 135 demo on the way :-o)

[lazerq3 0]

If your parallel with the ground on impact at 50mph then I would say you hooked it !!!!!!!!! DOWH

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[grasshopper 0]

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if your parallel with the ground on impact at 50mph then I would say you hooked it

so what your saying is DZs ban people dying. or maybe read the question and answer the question.

[lazerq3 0]

Dude, relax I'm just f@#$ing with ya!!

[BarrettJ99 0]

Grasshopper,
You know, you're a real pain in the A$$... Hey, I'm coming up tomorrow and we can discuss this matter in more detail. Drive fast, take chances...
Blue skies
-T1

[tigra 0]

180 degree turn below, say 500'? Done with the front risers or toggles for the purpose of a fast landing with a long surf. That's the most basic definition, maybe the 500' is closer to 200? But you better be pretty comfy with your canopy before you start any radical turns that low- high performance canopies tend to be pretty ground hungry.
Don't do em myself.
And I think you can still have some fun with the Stiletto without them. (or do them high, and be careful not to cut anyone off or get in anyone's way!)

[fruce 0]

Dude, I was reading all of these exchanges back and forth on who has what definition for what is and is not a “hook turn” . You guys can debate that shit all day long. What concerns me is an issue of safety………… there is a huge difference between pulling down on your toggle (break line) and pulling down on your front riser. They are not the same, and if mistakenly interchanged as being the same, will have a dramatic cause and effect on what happens to you………… “Gee, I think I will try a radical 180 degree turn with my left toggle pulled way down starting at 500 ft.” That may be the last time you do it.
Most experienced skydivers would consider anything over a 180 degree front riser turn (or for some, toggle turn) to be a classic “hook”.
Just trying to help you guys………….. peace
fruce & friends
www.fruce.com

[Shark 0]

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Someone answer my question dammit! at DZs that prohibit hook turns, how do THEY define it?

GHop,
You know Betsy will be on duty issuing citations.... Can't wait to watch the hook-n-swoop over the pond. BTW, we'll wait till the end of the day to pay you, and in the event you "hook it in" we will buy good beer with your money.

[Craig 0]

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Someone answer my question dammit! at DZs that prohibit hook turns, how do THEY define it?

Easy, ask the DZ where you plan on jumping what they consider a "Hook turn"
Craig

[Cacophony 0]

Isnt this already another thread?
Safe landings,
Alex D-23912

[caelncsu 0]

I don't know ask your dz people. Unless you have lots of swoop experience I'd advise you not to do anything other than double fronts for a while.
I was thinking I knew the answer to the Hook turn thing but I honestly don't know. I would say hook turn would half to be performed with front risers and has to be kind of jabby as in pulled quick to ellicit some sort of drastic turning motion. I would say a carving front riser turn does not fall under a hook turn category. As for the people who yank a toggle, spin X amount of degrees and impact. Those are called panicked dumb ass turns, which are done by people who generally have no front riser experience...
The aerodynamics of the two are entirely different.

[Shark 0]

Hey GH,
Just HOOK the damn thing tomorrow and we'll see what happens.....
BTW, we should have Bullwinkle film it and post it.

[cloud9 0]

This is like pornography I can't explain it but I know it when I see it. And when I see it I like it!!!!!!!!
Some fun eh!

[BarrettJ99 0]

caelncsu,
I'd have to agree with G-hopper on this one... Carving front riser turns and toggle turns can both be considered hooks. And I know many people with multiple thousands of jumps who perform what you so nicely deem "Those are called panicked dumb ass turns, which are done by people who generally have no front riser experience...". I've seen these individuals out perform people using carving front riser turns as well. I would agree that toggle turns are much less forgiving than front riser landings, but to the experienced canopy pilot, they can be just as effective a method. I don't know why we're trying to specify the difference between carving front riser turns and toggle turns because a hook is a hook is a hook.
-T1
C-30757

[Deleted 0]

my chief instructors definition was: any turn that scares me !
personally i think :a turn of more than 90 degrees onto final approach. is the closest definition i've heard.
i still think a hook turn is the best way to land a parachute,especially tandems.at my dz a hook turn landing is mandatory,no shit.too many injuries from straight in or double brake approaches.

[Craig 0]

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my chief instructors definition was: any turn that scares me ! personally i think :a turn of more than 90 degrees onto final approach. is the closest definition i've heard. i still think a hook turn is the best way to land a parachute,especially tandems.at my dz a hook turn landing is mandatory,no shit.too many injuries from straight in or double brake approaches.

LMAO...troll Wonder if this is the same person who started the "Low Pull" threads?
Craig

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no troll!i am not the person that started low pull thread.
sorry ,didn't log in,too much work.
i only know of 2 dz's where hooking is mandatory,(both in the same area where turbulence is severe).we have found because of turbulence,and constant shifting ground winds,of around 120 gegrees, the only way to land is a hook turn.true,no-one is allowed to jump here with less than 2000 jumps,the least experienced person at my dz has 4000 jumps,and we still shit ourselves when the trades are blowing.sorry i don't want to name the dz's because of obvious repercussions,but i am telling the truth.
des