Java Programmer

[Dutchboy 0]

My company is in serious need of a Java programmer to write serverlets for our product's GUI. If you have experience with Java and live in Atlanta, or would like to move here please e-mail me.
Yes, we really do have a company skydiving team! The company has even been known to buy skydives on occassion for those that perform.
The Dutchboy
http://www.geocities.com/ppolstra

[mountainman 0]

how hard is it to learn Java??MORE SKYDIVING PHOTOS ADDED!!!
http://home.woh.rr.com/brandonandlaura/

[Zennie 0]

mountainman - What languages do you know? If you know C++ and understand OO concepts, Java's pretty easy (just learning a new API and slightly different syntax - and I mean slightly).
If you haven't done any coding before, it'll take a bit to get up to speed.
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Blue Skies!
Zennie

[mountainman 0]

I was kinda being sarcastic. Sorry.
The only language that I know other than English is Spanish. That is what I'm going to college for (done in 1 year). I guess the skydiving caught my attention. I'm so weak!
MORE SKYDIVING PHOTOS ADDED!!!
http://home.woh.rr.com/brandonandlaura/

[MarkM 0]

Java is the greatest language I've never found a production use for.

[Zennie 0]

Must...resist...temptation...to...get...into....religion....argument.
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Blue Skies!
Zennie

[skymama 37]

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What languages do you know? If you know C++ and understand OO concepts, Java's pretty easy (just learning a new API and slightly different syntax - and I mean slightly).

Shoot, Zennie, I took Russian in school, and I think it must have been alot easier than THAT sounds!!
Andrea

[MarkM 0]

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Must...resist...temptation...to...get...into....religion....argument.

Naw, I like to use the best tool for the right task is all. I just never found the right task for Java. Too bad too, for about 2 or 3 years I was really wanting to write something in that damn language.

[Zennie 0]

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I just never found the right task for Java.

I agree, using Java for Java's sake is silly. We've used it to create GUIs where we planned on deploying on multiple platforms.
If I really need performance, I'll still opt for C++. If I'm creating a GUI, I'll usually opt for Java. Swing is a real joy to use.
We've used it a lot for database apps (JDBC is great). Lately we've been dabbling in JSPs to create web-based database front ends.
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Blue Skies!
Zennie

[mattb 0]

Cool company - surprised liability fears allow a company skydiving team. The question is - RW or freefly?
I'm a Sun Certified Java Architect who has written plenty of servlets and a few serverlets but not looking to relocate. Sorry :( for an odd reason (love) I prefer to live where I can't jump year round.
MarkM - you need to search hard if you can't find a production use for Java.
Let's start a religion war - soon this will be just like wreck.skydiving!
-mob

[cyberskydive 0]

import java.awt.Graphics;
public class hello extends java.applet.Applet
{
public void paint(Graphics g)
{....errr wtf man I'm still learning :)
I amy go redownload the JDK and get back to it :) moved off on Perl and PHP/MySql
D.Chisolm C-28534
webmaster@sunraydesigns.com
http://www.sunraydesigns.com

[Zennie 0]

That comma in the import statement's gonna hose ya.
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Blue Skies!
Zennie

[cyberskydive 0]

changed it while you were in mid post-LOL- I put java down over a yeqar ago to pursue other interests, but I've been thinkin of going back to it
D.Chisolm C-28534
webmaster@sunraydesigns.com
http://www.sunraydesigns.com

[Zennie 0]

If you can code Perl, Java will be cake.
Regular expressions..... ***shudder***.
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Blue Skies!
Zennie

[Dutchboy 0]

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Cool company - surprised liability fears allow a company skydiving team. The question is - RW or freefly?

Freefly at the moment since there are only 3 of us. If we could convince the former manifest babe to skydive then we'd be one away from an RW team. That would also be quite interesting since she is less than half the weight of me and another guy.
We actually discussed what we wanted to do and choses freeflying mostly because we wanted all of the team to actually work at the company. If we hire a couple more skydivers we could be persauded to change to RW.
The Dutchboy
http://www.geocities.com/ppolstra

[MarkM 0]

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MarkM - you need to search hard if you can't find a production use for Java.

Web: php and perl
Game engines: C or C++
Desktop apps: C or C++
Cross platform desktop app: C or C++ using a cross plat GUI lib
Cross platform desktop, rapid dev'd: Python
Heavy text processing: perl
Middleware app that needs to talk to different databases: okay, Java
Want a cross platform GUI?
Fox, WxWindows, QT, GTK, TK, SDL are all portable with multiple language bindings.
Some could be a little more mature(GTK), others are very mature(QT, WxWindows), none suffer the write once debug everywhere Java syndrome.
I studied Java when it first came out, was the first guy in line to buy the first IDE for it(Symantec Cafe), bought about 30 Java books(most by O'rielly), even took the cert exams, but I've never found a use for the language that some other language couldn't do better and faster(speed as in dev time).

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I put java down over a yeqar ago to pursue other interests, but I've been thinkin of going back to it

Check out Python if you're not tied to RAD environments.

[Dutchboy 0]

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I amy go redownload the JDK and get back to it :) moved off on Perl and PHP/MySql

Believe it or not, the PERL and MySQL would also be useful for this job. Our application runs on either Oracle or MySQL. PERL is always useful.
The Dutchboy
http://www.geocities.com/ppolstra

[MarkM 0]

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PERL is always useful.

Perl is good stuff. It's my "we can do that" language.

[cdunham 0]

Jeez, first the death penalty, now this?

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I just never found the right task for Java.

Keep looking. I haven't used anything else for the last several years. GUIs, middleware, server code, apps, whatever. It does almost everything but real-time embedded apps, and you can have that, thanks.

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If I really need performance, I'll still opt for C++.

Z-man, you are holding yourself back. There is little to no performance difference these days, and any that there is can easily be either ignored or fixed with hardware (such a software guy thing to say The benefits of not having to deal with memory issues alone, never mind the free, useful stuff built into the JDK and the superior OO model make it the lingua de choice IMO. As a manager, I almost insist that it be used on our development projects (almost, because I could never really tell anyone that they can't use the language that they really feel happiest using, but don't tell them that Carl

[Zennie 0]

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There is little to no performance difference these days, and any that there is can easily be either ignored or fixed with hardware

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Java fan, but you won't see too many commercial-quality games being written in Java. And trust me, if game coders could go to one code base rather than one for multiple platforms, I'm sure they would.
Languages are tools. I pick the right tool for the job. Most of the time that's Java, actually, lately, all the time it's Java, but I can see situations where it prolly wouldn't be right.
Actually, I personally wouldn't use Perl, but it does have a lot of modules now to do most anything you want. So I'll modify my statement slightly by noting that it's not only the tool, but the skill of the person weilding it.
Some guys wield Perl really well, others Java, others C++. As long as you get the job done.
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Blue Skies!
Zennie

[Brokeneagle 0]

Dutchboy-- should'a hired me when ya could've..... I can see it now..... combat RW! yes, we have no bananas.... but cream pie is coming yer way!

[Dutchboy 0]

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Dutchboy-- should'a hired me when ya could've..... I can see it now..... combat RW! yes, we have no bananas.... but cream pie is coming yer way!

Hey, don't punish me for my boss's mistakes. He was the onew with the openning and he is the one that hired somebody one weekend without consulting the rest of us.
Pie, what pie? Whatever for? The Dutchboy
http://www.geocities.com/ppolstra

[Brokeneagle 0]

thaaat's right. Just stay naive for a few more hours..... 'and another one bites the dust'....

[MarkM 0]

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There is little to no performance difference these days, and any that there is can easily be either ignored or fixed with hardware.

Ahh no. ID won't be writing Quake 4 in Java anytime soon.
I do agree most desktop apps can be done in Java, Python or a language that isn't a speed hog. Especially when you consider that your avergae Python/Java/php/perl app takes about a third the time to write and will have fewer errors.

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Languages are tools. I pick the right tool for the job.

Couldn't agree more.

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Actually, I personally wouldn't use Perl, but it does have a lot of modules now to do most anything you want.

Perl's text handling abilities rock. I use perl's regular expressions to take "human readable" data and convert it into tables that I import into databases for my software.
If I can read a sheet of data and understand it, odds are I can write a perl script that can process the information for me automatically.
But trying to use all those perl modules gives me a headache, so it's use has never gone farther than a "support" language for me.
But the biggest thing that keeps me away from Java is that it's too strongly typed. After you've done php and perl for a few years it's hard to go back to a language that artificially forces structures onto your work.
Yeah, Java's exception handling creates robust programs. But it's a pain in the ass having to "catch" errors everytime you want to leave the crib.

[cdunham 0]

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But the biggest thing that keeps me away from Java is that it's too strongly typed. ... it's hard to go back to a language that artificially forces structures onto your work. ... it's a pain in the ass having to "catch" errors everytime you want to leave the crib.

This is interesting. I wonder if belly flyers would prefer the strong typing and exception handling of Java, while freeflyers would go for the loose typing and flexible syntax of PERL?
Carl
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God help me, I am such a geek.