skreamer 1 #26 June 18, 2001 There you go then, the definitive answer : in Canada frap hats are considered kewl! /s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #28 June 18, 2001 "There you go then, the definitive answer : in Canada frap hats are considered kewl!"In Canada, sitting around watching curling is cool. Not a ringing endorsement /s**sorry about the Canada bust...got burned by my ex from Canada...feels good to lash out :-Þ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ADRNALN 0 #29 June 18, 2001 BONEHEAD - enough said! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff 0 #30 June 18, 2001 I think the reason is that full-face helmets do introduce added complications - like misting or even icing up. Dropping the visor just before exit and lifting it after opening (necessary in cold or humid conditions) is a complication that newbies don't need.An experienced jumper is more able to cope safely with the complications.Geoff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #31 June 18, 2001 Finally! it took 29 posts but Geoff finally proposed a rationale for the arcane UK helmet rules re. no full-face helmet for newbies. Still seems like a sketchy reason for not allowing a full face helmet. Goggles mist up too, usually much worse than my Z1 visor. When I jumped student gear, foggy goggles was always a pain in the ass. I had to keep lifting them up during jump run. So I still don't understand this rule.Frap hats are mostly used for tandem students. A tandem students' head is right in front of the tandem master's face. That's why you give the students a frap hat. You don't want a hard helmet (or even a bare head) smashing back into the TM's face.Speed Racer"De plaene!! De plaene!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grogs 0 #32 June 18, 2001 Quote Goggles mist up too, usually much worse than my Z1 visor. When I jumped student gear, foggy goggles was always a pain in the ass. I had to keep lifting them up during jump run. So I still don't understand this rule.True, but working the latch and raising the visor on a Z1 in freezing weather with gloves on is a pain? I know that gave me fits last Winter. I even lost a glove one time because it was the only way to raise the visor, and landing with it down was not an option since it was completely fogged up. Pulling the goggles down may be a bit of a challenge too, but I'm thinking if you get desperate you could just slap them and get them to slide down around your neck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites