pyke 0 #1 July 18, 2001 How would you feel if you gave your rigger a brand new cypres in the box and your flown reserve and ask for it (the cypres) to be installed with your repack.(you get your rig back, it has a cypres in it, and your reserve is now in date) You are one fat, dumb, and happy skydiver!![months pass]....then you go to a different dz and during the manditory gear check, you are told that you have a nearly 8 year old cypress, that is actually past due for its 8 year check. You are almost not allowed to jump due to this.WHAT WOULD YOU DO??? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL???Things I am running through...this rigger is a crook and trying to pocket the new cypres and sell it off at a profit, this rigger is not who I want to be packing my rig if he cheats and steals, this rigger is an asshole who should lose his rating, this rigger made a mistake (don't see how, but could have) and is human and should have the opportunity to explain himself, this rigger is fucking with my life and should go to jail for attempt...any riggers out there care to elaborate on their views from the other side as well?Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke NZPF A - 2584USPA C- ????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhus 0 #2 July 18, 2001 So did you talk to the rigger? It seems a little unlikely that he would do something like this intentionally, and it seems like it would be an imposible mistake to make. But if this is actually true and he replaced a new cypres with an 8 year cypres, then he is definatley liable and that is completely f#cked up. Is there any chance someone else could have gotten their hands on the rig for enought time to switch out the Cypres? That would seem to make more sense to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donna 0 #3 July 18, 2001 I would be fucking pissed! I would go to the rigger though and ask him to explain. If he couldn't come up with a decent explanation and FIX the problem promptly.... well then look out!Good luck getting it straightened out.Skies,D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #4 July 18, 2001 There are two other possibilities:- The unit was not new when you got it- It is not really out of dateThe only other possibilities are as already stated, basically that the unit in the rig is not the one you handed to your rigger oh so long ago. Someone, possibly him, pinched it.Sherlock Holmes says that when all the reasonable explanations are discounted, only one of the the remaining ones, no matter how absurd, can be the correct one.This is in contrast to Occam's Razor, which says that when given a choice of options, the simplest is probably correct.I don't know if that helps, but good luck!Carl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #5 July 18, 2001 Did you open the box and look at the Cypres before you handed it to your rigger? Who'd you buy it from? Do you have an invoice with the Cypres serial number on it? Open your reserve container. Pull the Cypres unit out of the pouch. The serial number, date of manufacture and date of last batteries should be on the unit. Check the d.o.m. on the unit - if it was new when you bought it a few months ago the d.o.m. should be from sometime this year. Compare the serial number on the unit with the serial number on the invoice if you have one. If these don't match you got jacked. Compare the serial number and d.o.m. that the rigger who installed it should have written on the packing data card when the Cypres was installed. These should match the serial number and d.o.m. on the unit. If they don't (but the unit has a "fresh" d.o.m.), it could be that the rigger forgot to change the information that was on the data card when putting in the new Cypres... which could explain why the other dz told you that your Cypres is eight years old when it is really brand new.If you did get jacked, try talking to the rigger first. If he/she won't cop to it and fix the problem (ie give you your brand new Cypres back and pay for it to be installed and your reserve repacked by a rigger you can trust) - CALL THE COPS. Then please post this person's name and the whole story here, on wreck.skydiving and at any dz this person might show up at so we all know who we don't want to trust with our gear. Just an fyi - you have up to three months beyond the four and eight years from the date of manufacture to get the four/eight year check done...pull and flare,lisa----I am a nobody. Nobody's perfect. Therefore, I am perfect! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #6 July 18, 2001 Is this really hapening or are youmaking this up? All you ned to do is call joe or Bill and ask them - they wouldnt do something like that- I think I was there when your new cypress came in, but the original reserve was packed at jumpshack remember? Then they repacked it when you bought that swift.C-28534http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
what42 0 #7 July 19, 2001 My thought it that the info on the card is probably wrong. Check the serial numbers and talk to the rigger that put it in. If they did screw up the card then they should fix it. If not, the container needs to be opened to check the cypres. It's probably just a card filled out wrong or with wrong info.Wesley--I'll see you at 13,5 amongst the clouds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaksister 0 #8 July 19, 2001 I was there when this was discovered. The info on the card isn't wrong, and he is NOT making this up. Also, not trying to speak for him, but just chiming in...he said he does have the original receipt with the serial number on it, etc. The Cypres was delivered to him brand-new straight from Air-Tec last fall.I agree the whole thing sounds crazy... but crazy things do happen! Hopefully it can all be worked out. Sis It isn't brave if you aren't scared... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #9 July 19, 2001 Thanks all for your suggestions. I DO hope that this is just a simple misunderstanding. I do not wish to bring anything down on anyone who doesn't deserve it.I will sort this all out asap at my dz with the rigger in question. Like I said, let's all hope there is a reasonable explanation for it all.and to answer the question of whether it was new or not...yes, I had to wait in an airport for the courier because I wasn't going to be at the address it was supposed to go to...it came straight from germany that week. And, I looked at the unit in the pouch (the on/off switch thingie) but couldn't find a serial # on it. I don't want to fire my reserve j.i.c. I don't need to.So, I hope to see you all in the sky shortly...if not...heads will roll!!!!Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke NZPF A - 2584USPA C- ????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #10 July 19, 2001 Good luck pyke, I hope this works out for ya.Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sblue 0 #11 July 19, 2001 Question- How did they know that it was out of date when they did the gear check? If the SN and date were on the reserve packing card, then it should have been noticed sooner. I would think that if a rigger was trying to pull something over on you, he would have put the new date on the packing card, that way it would not raise your suspision or those inspecting the gear.Hope this works out, and keep us posted.Shawn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Macaulay 0 #12 July 20, 2001 The serial number and date were probably written by the rigger that switched the Cypres out. Fucked up move, IMO. It happens all the time with computer, vehicle, and burrito repair. They do that at McDonald's, too. It shouldn't happen in rigging.- Macaulay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
