Slappie 9 #1 September 7, 2001 I've got some new pictures on my website!! Click the link in my tag and on the Front page there is a link New Pictures!! check me out and let me know what ya think. You have to understand that is only my 9th student jump My New Website with 24hr Chat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #2 September 7, 2001 those are some pretty cool pictures!! I sure wish that I had some freefall pictures of me. None of our instructors wear helmets, but I think that should be part of general instruction since it's such a good learning tool (and looks good too).--------------Boogie pics coming!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #3 September 7, 2001 Nice pics! Very nice track!--------Zennie"I know the pieces fit. 'Cause I watched them fall away..."--Tool Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #4 September 7, 2001 QuoteNone of our instructors wear helmets, but I think that should be part of general instruction since it's such a good learning tool (and looks good too).Am I missing some serious sarcasm here? What is the learning tool? Are there people out there who don't know that if you hit your head real hard, it could be hazardous to your health? It would make more sense to make every instructor jump a 220+ sq ft canopy as a "good learning tool". At least then students would see their true capabilities and how they should look both in flight and in the pattern. flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #5 September 7, 2001 QuoteAm I missing some serious sarcasm here? What is the learning tool? Are there people out there who don't know that if you hit your head real hard, it could be hazardous to your health? DOH!!! Sorry, Flyhi. I meant to say none of our instructors wear helmets with CAMERAS. I'm sorry. They all wear helmets all the time. Oops....As far as them jumping a big canopy, I think that would be a good idea and they could open at about the same altitude (not at 2k while we're hangin out at 4.5k). I think that this would be great as a way to follow them in to see different landing patterns instead of figuring it out alone.Sorry about the helmet/camera confusion. I meant that if they had cameras, they could comment on body position and stuff like that. Ooops! --------------Boogie pics coming!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #6 September 7, 2001 All the instructors wear helmets with video, so after the jump you can sit down and go over the whole thing in real time and slo-mo so they can point out things you need to work on and things your doing good. Plus it's a video record of your student jumps. Nice to pull down after a hundered or so jumps just to see how far you've come. My New Website with 24hr Chat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #7 September 7, 2001 QuoteI believe all instructors should video their students, I've found the videos so much help to identify things I'm doing wrong.Completely in agreement! I think that once I get my instructor rating (in like 20 yrs), I am going to make it a point to jump with camera all the time. I know that at SGC (Xenia) they do that by default. However, at Richmond, you have to pay like $70 extra to get the video. What a crock of shit!!! That i like paying for an AFF level for every two that you get on video.Ah well......one day they will figure it out.--------------Boogie pics coming!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #8 September 7, 2001 Quote As far as them jumping a big canopy, I think that would be a good idea and they could open at about the same altitude (not at 2k while we're hangin out at 4.5k). I think that this would be great as a way to follow them in to see different landing patterns instead of figuring it out alone. That's not really feasible.. After an AFF student pulls, the instructors have to track clear(in case the student has a streamer, cuts away, etc) so the area below is clear.. Especially if there is a video guy on the jump.. Plus - DZ's would have to supply instructors with rigs then, because I sure wouldn't buy a big 'ole main(and container for it to fit in)..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #9 September 7, 2001 Quotethe instructors have to track clear(in case the student has a streamer, cuts away, etc) so the area below is clearWell, if both the I and the student are tracking, then there would not be a problem. As long as the student pulls, the I could turn and track. Then they could have something worked out where the I stayed in 1/2 brakes till the student comes down or is close enough for instruction.QuoteDZ's would have to supply instructors with rigs then, because I sure wouldn't buy a big 'ole main(and container for it to fit inThey could either let them use student gear (hell, they're getting paid) or have one or two rigs that are used solely for the instructors. I think that the financial input would more than payoff in instruction benefits in the longrun. Just my .02.--------------Boogie pics coming!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #10 September 7, 2001 Quote Well, if both the I and the student are tracking, then there would not be a problem. As long as the student pulls, the I could turn and track. I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly or not....but are you saying that the JM should track one way, and the student another - as you would in a 2 way, non student jump? The JM cannot leave the student UNTIL the student pulls.. Then give 'em at least 1,000ft to clear the area and pull.. The instructor is going to be way below, and I don't think floating in brakes will help much in this case.. It's just not feasible.. This is why students have radios..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #11 September 7, 2001 It doesn't necessarily have to be during AFF jumps or anything. I think that it would be useful during those coach jumps before the A license where the two of you CAN pull closer in alti. That would give the newbie a more experienced look at what the landing pattern could/should be. For me, I have followed the expereinced people in the first couple times during the boogie so I could learn where/how to make my pattern. That really helped a lot!!Sorry bout the confusion. I'm off to class!!! --------------Boogie pics coming!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #12 September 7, 2001 Quote That would give the newbie a more experienced look at what the landing pattern could/should be. For me, I have followed the expereinced people in the first couple times during the boogie so I could learn where/how to make my pattern. That really helped a lot!! Well, if you want to see a proper pattern for a student.....don't follow me! Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #13 September 7, 2001 "pattern"Whats this pattern people keep talking about?"Jesus Blessed me with his future...and I protect it with fire!"-R.A.T.M.Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #14 September 7, 2001 QuoteWhats this pattern people keep talking about?Traffic pattern: crosswind, downwind, base, final. Also, I agree with the Instructor wearing a camera. It wasn't a policy where I learned, but one of my instructors did and gave the video to me. He even mixed it, a little. I was so appreciative, I tipped him a Jackson. Told him it would have been more, but now he and I both had a reason to dislike my ex. flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #15 September 7, 2001 Reality check!First, yep.. nice pics Slappie!On your track picture... call me a track nazi (we've got Lisa as the Canopy nazi, so we might as well have a track nazi... J/K lisa..), but thats a nice picture of a Delta, not a track... you need to de-arch more and bring you arms down more to get a good track...And as far as the instrutor playing follow the leader under canopy with AFF students: nice in theory, not in practice for all the reasons stated above. RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #16 September 7, 2001 Actually the picture was captured from a video and about 3 or 4 frames after that one I was in a full track de-arched and floating away from the camera. I took this one because when I actually got into track form I was too far away for a good picture My New Website with 24hr Chat Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #17 September 7, 2001 Quotewith AFF studentsDidn't I say above that it would be better with coach students since you can open lower and open more on a level alti?? Hmmm.....--------------Boogie pics coming!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #18 September 7, 2001 Quote It doesn't necessarily have to be during AFF jumps or anything. I think that it would be useful during those coach jumps before the A license where the two of you CAN pull closer in alti. Again, not something I consider feasible.. There are a couple reasons.. First, I don't know about you - but I sure as hell don't want to be flying in close proximity to a novice under canopy - they can be pretty unpredictable.. Second, following somebody would likely be more of a distraction than a help for the student.. Instead of paying attention to what is happening around them, the student would likely fixate on the person they are following.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #19 September 8, 2001 Quoteit would be better with coach studentsSorry, but come pull time, I, as a coach, track away and save my life. Junior jumpers typically (not all the time, but typically) do not have great tracks (many have slow turning deltas rather then tracks), and I want clean air when I open.Also, as a coach, unless you're a greatly experienced one, you dont really get paid much (heck, I recall many posters here saying that at their DZs, you can get free coaching, and that's a good thing), so how would it work for that coach to rent student gear? to have a similar decent rate? I agree its all nice in theory, but not at all in practice. There are plenty skills under canopy you can refine on your own (I'll refer you to the CSPA basic and sports Skills Grid)PS: sorry Slappie for kidnapping your thread.. RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #20 September 8, 2001 *sigh* I give up.I guess that I am just saying that you dont have to do it EVERYTIME. Maybe if you were with someone that you knew and you could work something out. For instance, I did a lot of my coach jumps with a friend and he knew I can turn and track. So, we would have been fine.Oh well....I'm done with this.--------------Boogie pics coming!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #21 September 9, 2001 Quote Maybe if you were with someone that you knew and you could work something out. I'll tell ya what.. If you want to follow me down under canopy, feel free....but ya gotta catch me first! Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #22 September 9, 2001 UMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....NOMarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #23 September 10, 2001 Quote UMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....NO Hey, it'd be better than me following you.....I'd go for a dock! Next thing ya know, my feet are wrapped in your A lines, and you get to experience a 2-stack hook turn! Bwahaha Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
