Falwell and Robertson on the attacks

[quade 4]

I can NOT believe what I just read.
See; this.
Paul
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[bill2 0]

I just read what those two idiots said. They're a disgrace to America.

[westcoastchica 0]

with Jesus in my heart, competely born-again, through him...i find tears in my eyes when he is so misrepresented. i am at a loss for words...but then again, in everything, there are extremists who taint the water and i guess all you can do is reassure those that are not of the Christian faith that one (or two) do not speak for us all.
paul, i don't know if you are Christian or not, but i know that regaurdless, it must have been as disturbing for you to read this as it was for myself.
i was hesitant to post anything in response because all we need in here is to have a religious war running rampant in the posts...but then i felt the need to share my opinion.
with all the discussion lately of "i hate this person" and "this person is an ass" and blah blah blah, i hope that maybe people will just take a step back and realize that this is just yet another example of some of the many opinions there are out there and maybe instead of screaming out, "those bastards should be bitch-slapped" take a breath and examine your own core beliefs and what you stand for and thank God that not everyone shares these kinds of opinions.
oh my, it feels so darn strange to be all kinds of serious on here. well, i managed to slip the word "bitch-slapped" in there so i guess i am still okay. ha ha.
have a safe weekend everyone!!!!

[SpeedRacer 1]

Falwell & Robertson are a couple of Uncle F&*kas!(see perfect song thread)
Speed Racer
"Come up to my lab,
And see what's on the slab!"

[Zennie 0]

Yeah I read that and it pretty much made me sick (again).
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Zennie
"I know the pieces fit. 'Cause I watched them fall away..."
--Tool

[FallnAngel 0]

The conversation between those two just shows that there are freaks in *every* society.
K

[Aviatrr 0]

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paul, i don't know if you are Christian or not, but i know that regaurdless, it must have been as disturbing for you to read this as it was for myself.

I think that everybody - regardless of religion, race, sex, etc. - sees this the same way....utterly and completely sickening.. I have never had any respect for either of those guys due to their extreme views - and now I don't think I'll be able to even see their faces without getting ill..
Mike

[Albatross 0]

These two idiots are allowing the build up of hate in religion which is just what is at the base of this whole tragidy. If you use your religion to justify your hate and justify the killing of inocent people I feel that places you about on the level of child molesters. I hope that this event allows the American people to realize that we need to pull closer and not divide by faith.
Go Big Or Go Home!!!!!
Albatross

[miked10270 0]

Hi there,
It's actually very comforting to kow that Americans such as Falwell and Robertson exist. I understand that there is something of a shortage of Christian Evangelists in Kabul at the moment. Perhaps these fine chrstian gentlemen could pop over there and explain their religious views to the Taliban leaders, and thus convert the godless (but anti-abortionist and just) people of Afghanistan to their one true faith.
Then again, maybe they're only brave enough to voice such views in a society where free speech is a right and censure of such views is only verbal.
Mike D10270.

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Perhaps these fine chrstian gentlemen could pop over there and explain their religious views to the Taliban leaders

Same circus, different tent.

[apoil 0]

It's really funny how extremists of any viewpoint hardly differ from each other.
I actually find this refreshing because this is the end of those clowns ever pretending to represent mainstream american thought.
Just as the Taliban are doing, they are marginalizing themselves and uniting the world against them.
So some positive likely outcomes from this tragedy
- the end of religious christian extremism having a voice.
- the end of the drug war (can't fund it and the war on terrorism at the same time)
- some unity between whites and blacks in America. (This is my personal hope)
Obviously the negatives outweigh it but I'll be like Bing Crosby today and "accentuate the positive"
Clearly the price of freedom is not just eternal vigilance.. it will also be increased airfare.

[apoil 0]

It's really funny how extremists of any viewpoint hardly differ from each other.
I actually find this refreshing because this is the end of those clowns ever pretending to represent mainstream american thought.
Just as the Taliban are doing, they are marginalizing themselves and uniting the world against them.
So some positive likely outcomes from this tragedy
- the end of religious christian extremism having a voice.
- the end of the drug war (can't fund it and the war on terrorism at the same time)
- some unity between whites and blacks in America. (This is my personal hope)
Obviously the negatives outweigh it but I'll be like Bing Crosby today and "accentuate the positive"
Clearly the price of freedom is not just eternal vigilance.. it is also increased airfare.

[Danhole 0]

I found their comments to be ALMOST as repulsive and disgusting as the events on September 11th. To blame Americans for the actions of terrorists is a pitiful and disgraceful act.
I can't imagine why cable companies allowed then to continue to broadcast.

[Tink1717 2]

I read with horror, but not surprise, the remarks of Fawell and Robertson. At this point the act of war perpetrated on last Tuesday appears to be the work of Islamic fundamentalist. Although there are many dimensions to this particular act, the overriding theme is religion. This is what happens when religion, any religion, is mixed with weapons. All religions have at least one thing in common: the belief that those who are within the faith group are "good" or "chosen" or the "people of god", or words to that effect, and those who are outside the faith group are "infidels" "cast outs" "mongrels" or something other than people. This basic tenant is what allows for fundamentalists of all stripes to commit such crimes against humanity. Until something is done about this basic issue, nothing will break the cycle of this senseless slaughter. When one group of people is able to cast another group as something other than human and, therefore, worthy of death, nothing good can come. This, despite the fact that many religions have morally positive and socially redeeming qualities, is what all religions allow the zealots among them to do. The result is strife that ranges on a scale from attacks at abortion clinics and sporting events, to attacks on subways and attacks on the scale of the New York and Washington events. The only way to break this cycle is to end the practice of religion. If there were no religious strife, there would be NOTHING to fight about. The differences in culture would be easily tolerated and more than that, celebrated. But as long as the seed of human hate is allowed to be sewn in the form of religion, there will be no end to the inhuman cruelty the world has witnessed in the last week. To be sure, this is the opening volley in this particular firefight and the worst is yet to come, this will not happen easily quickly or without great pain, but it must happen. There is no room for doctrine, of any kind, that allows for the justification for crimes against humanity. The sooner it begins, the better.

[freeflir29 0]

"I can't imagine why cable companies allowed then to continue to broadcast."
Finally an easy question......Money...what stronger motivator is there? Besides religion....
"and behold, a pale horse, and he who sat on it, his name was death"-Revelations
Clay

[billvon 3,090]

>The only way to break this cycle is to end the practice of religion.
The USSR tried that. Is that what we should strive to become?
>If there were no religious strife, there would be NOTHING to fight about.
What were the religious issues behind the civil war? The war of 1812? Do you claim that Hitler had no argument with the US and most of Europe, because he was Christian?
Blaming religion for this makes about as much sense as blaming Boeing. Religion can be used for good and bad, just as airplanes can be. Billions of people subscribe to religions that teach mutual acceptance and peaceful resolution of differences rather than violence. Ending those would only harm the cause of world peace.
-bill von

[SpeedRacer 1]

I agree with bill von. For example, if you really think about the persecution & enslavement of Indians by "Christians", what you realize is that assholes who want to persecute other people & take their land etc. are really using their religion as a mere flag to fly while they carry out their evil. Were "Christian" terrorists (such as the conquistadors) really following the teachings of Jesus? Believe me, if these assholes didn't perform these atrocities under the name of religion, they would have done them under the name of something else.
There are brutal, violent people out there who will use the name of their respective religion like it was the name of their gang. That does not mean that the religion itself is to blame. That would be like saying that if we get rid of the red and blue bandanas, there would be no gang wars in L.A.
(Incidentally, although some Nazis may or may not have called themselves Christians, Hitler definitely did not. He did not go to church, and referred to Christianity as a "religion of weaklings.")
Speed Racer
"Come up to my lab,
And see what's on the slab!"

[favaks 0]

>The only way to break this cycle is to end the practice of religion.
Agreed, but it's not gonna happen. Religion is personal and must be kept personal. Problems arise when religions become "organized". What happened was a tragedy, but government leaders must avoid using religion as a rallying
point. This is just wrong!
>Were "Christian" terrorists (such as the conquistadors) really following the teachings of Jesus?
Exactly what are the teachings of Jesus?
All religous texts are subjected to different interpretations, and extreme interpretations cause problems. Terrorists use religion as a tool to justify their acts. Assuming that there is no religion, what else can they use? Assuming that they find a non-religious justification, does it have the same effect that religions do? Killing can be done with bare-hands, knives, guns, and etc.. But how many can you kill with a knife comparing to a 9mm, an M-16, or a Hydrogen bomb? This is probably a bad analogy, but religions when "misused" can have a devastating effect that of a Hydrogen bomb.
-favaks