mountainman 0 #1 September 19, 2001 Here is an e-mail that I just got. Thought it was great:----------------------Quote of the day from President Bush:"I'm not going to shoot a billion dollar missile into a $10 tentjust to hit some camel in the butt."----------------------Buahaha!!! If he said it or not...it is a great quote. --------------Baby pictures... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #2 September 19, 2001 ya he said it but it in a meeting with the Senators both states that got attacked. and it was "I am not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt" He sure is doing a good job of learning his job on the fly. Glad i voted for him.here is the link to the articleI swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #3 September 20, 2001 that is just the coolest quote that I've heard from him......--------------Richmond Boogie pics... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phatcat 0 #4 September 20, 2001 [don't shoot me]I didn't vote in the last election[/don't shoot me] but I wish I would have, and I would have voted for Bush without a doubt. Mr. Bore, er, Gore, is a liberal pansyass who would have probably gotten us all killed by now. If that quote is true, than I’m even happier he’s the head honcho right now. I’m just a lowly Minnesotan but I’m damn glad we’ve got a Texan (aka – A REAL man) at the reigns of this country right now.Josh"Well I may be crazy, but YOU'RE boring!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #5 September 20, 2001 >Mr. Bore, er, Gore, is a liberal pansyass who would have probably gotten us all> killed by now.Charismatic presidents get us into wars. Boring presidents don't. Personally, I think that's a vote in favor of boring.> If that quote is true, than I’m even happier he’s the head honcho right now. Personally, I'm glad that team is in there, but mainly because a) Bush is smart enough to listen to people who know what they're talking about and b) Cheney knows what he's talking about.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumperpaula 0 #6 September 20, 2001 My Man!! Fly Your Slot ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingMarc 0 #7 September 20, 2001 QuoteCharismatic presidents get us into wars. Boring presidents don't. Personally, I think that's a vote in favor of boring.Would you rather sit back and say, "Mr. Bin Laden, it was very bad of you to kill those thousands of innocent people. So don't do it again, please." Yes, war is awful. But the world learned from Hitler what happens if you let atrocities like this continue on the idea that "he'll stop soon enough."Military action is the only way to get the attention of these terrorists, it's the only way they think. I'm glad we have a president with the balls to stand up to terrorism.Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #8 September 20, 2001 *slowly ducks out of the pending flaming* --------------Richmond Boogie pics... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apoil 0 #9 September 20, 2001 QuoteCharismatic presidents get us into wars. Boring presidents don't. Personally, I think that's a vote in favor of boring.Gotta take issue with this.Carter was pretty boring. He was a little too human for the job and a little too intellectual. Got us into that really sticky hostage situation.. Not to mention a ridiculous situation in the economy.Now Reagan yeah, he had all the charisma and had most people scared he was going to press the button any minute, but Bush Sr. was on the boring side and got us into the closest thing to a full scale war since 'nam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #10 September 20, 2001 Quote, but Bush Sr. was on the boring side and got us into the closest thing to a full scale war since 'nam.And KICKED ASS I might add!!!!MarcBecause I fly, I envy no man on earth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Viking 0 #11 September 20, 2001 Quote*slowly ducks out of the pending flaming*That sounds like a good idea *pulls up a couple of chairs and hands Brandon a beer* I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
allieram 0 #12 September 20, 2001 We kicked ass once, and are about to do it again! Check out the attached file (If I do this right.). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingMarc 0 #13 September 20, 2001 Hee hee hee... that's hilarious! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #14 September 20, 2001 >Would you rather sit back and say, "Mr. Bin Laden, it was very bad of you to kill> those thousands of innocent people. So don't do it again, please."No, that would be a mistake. I think it would also be bad to tell an Afghan man, who supported the US when we supported _them_ against the USSR, that "Hey, we don't like that guy Bin Laden, and we figure you don't like him either, but we we're gonna kill your family anyway. No hard feelings."We should go after the people who did this, and the people who supported this. That includes Bin Laden. It does _not_ include all Arabs or even all Afghanis.>Yes, war is awful. But the world learned from Hitler what happens if you let atrocities like this continue on the idea that "he'll stop soon enough."Hitler led an army. Bin Laden leads a handful of lunatics - he does not lead Afghanistan. Should we have bombed England during WWII because they were in the same general area as Germany?>Military action is the only way to get the attention of these terrorists, it's the only way they think. I'm glad we have a president with the balls to stand up to terrorism.So far there has been exactly one action that has made any difference at all, and that's the action that the passengers of flight 93 took. They are the only ones who have shown true courage so far. Bush has made many fine speeches, but speeches do not a solution make. Often, bombs do not solve the problem either, as Johnson discovered during the Vietnam war. I hope Bush is more effective than that, and can find a solution that solves the problem, not one that just "kicks ass."-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingMarc 0 #15 September 20, 2001 I'm in no way suggesting we just bomb Afghanistan, or go in indiscriminately killing people there. But we DO have to find and destroy the specific group of people who did this, just as you said. That doesn't mean we even declare war on a country. Wherever Bin Laden is now, we have to get him, and his buddies. If the country he's in refuses to hand them over, we go in and get them. If the military of the country he's in tries to stop us, they're supporting his actions and we have no reason to give up there. We just have to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get to the people that caused all this death. We cannot let this pass.Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mountainman 0 #16 September 20, 2001 *quietly enjoying this from a SAFE distance*--------------Richmond Boogie pics... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #17 September 20, 2001 "as Johnson discovered during the Vietnam war"Well...thats a bad comparison as those bombs were aimed at endless miles of jungle and rice paddies. If the military had been allowed to do it's job we would have been fine in that one. Just another pussy president that was scared of angering the USSR and China. Just like Korea. I'm of the opinion that McArthur should have been let off his leash in Korea. The world would be a much more peaceful place and I wouldn't have spent 14 and half months smelling pickled cabbage and searching endlessly for a chic with tits bigger than A cups!I think indiscriminate killing is just what the Dr ordered. We can't intimidate these people with nukes and making friends with them is obviously a lost cause. Let's do some wholesale killin AKA attitude adjustment. We must make the entire world fear the wrath of this country. Only then will the terrorism begin to slow down."This conversation ends right here Captain! You can talk to the ALO when he gets back."-MeClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wwfalling 0 #18 September 20, 2001 You hit it right on the nose... We nee to kick sume ass , and show the world that we will take it in the ass anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #19 September 20, 2001 QuoteWe must make the entire world fear the wrath of this country. Only then will the terrorism begin to slow down.Oh, that's well supported by history! LOL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 September 20, 2001 "Oh, that's well supported by history! LOL!"Name one time in history that the US took real action and it backfired. I seem to remember Reagan ordering the bombing of Ghaddafi's house and we heard from him no more. That raid killed one of his children! That's what I'm talkin about. Make it personal for them just as it is for the families of those victims here in the US. Ronald Reagan was one of the best Presidents this country has ever had. The Russians were scared shitless of him!"This conversation ends right here Captain! You can talk to the ALO when he gets back."-MeClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #21 September 20, 2001 QuoteName one time in history that the US took real action and it backfired.The Bay of Pigs Invasion.Somalia.Vietnam.JustinMy Homepage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #22 September 20, 2001 Those three incidents bring up a now commonly used phrase in Spec Ops. It's called the 6 P's. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. All three of these are now used as examples of what NOT to do. Especially Somalia. That entire operation suffered from Clintonitus. His feel good, peaceful, hippy bullshit got people killed. If you haven't read "Blackhawk Down" get a copy. I have a friend that is referenced as "The Combat Air Controller" He won't talk about that day much unless you get him really drunk. It's a good book and explains all the faults and political bullshit that led to that disgrace. The bay of pigs was just the CIA lieing. Just like they did to the Kurds in Northern Iraq. They promised support that they knew would never come. Vietnam....well everyone knows the stories.....I wouldn't call any of these "Real" actions. They were dismal failures. Not the type of "Do it 110%" we need now. You can't half ass things and expect them to work."This conversation ends right here Captain! You can talk to the ALO when he gets back."-MeClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #23 September 20, 2001 Clay,I'm familiar with the 6 P's. I think all of these actions were "Real", although none of them were fought with the motivation or desire to win exhibited in WW II, for example. But they were still real enough to get lots of people killed without accomplishing their goals. And they did reflect disgracefully on the US in world opinion. If your definition of a "Real Action" is balls-to-the-wall, country at war, traditional massive invasion with hundreds of thousands of soldiers dying, then no, we haven't had one of those in a long time. We were pretty good at that, but I don't think there is a call for that right now, nor a national will to see it through. I agree with you that we should finish whatever we start and accomplish the goals we set out to complete. But we aren't (yet) at war with the country of Afghanistan. They really aren't the enemy. Bin Laden, yes. Taliban, probably. All the people living in poverty across that country, no. They probably wouldn't care who leads their country, if they had food and safety for their families. Honestly, many of them probably hate their current government more than they dislike us. Let's not change that by going after the wrong target or too indiscriminate of a target.JustinMy Homepage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #24 September 20, 2001 Real Action= Conceiving an operation that will benefit the country in both military and political arenas. The two are inseperable but politics should never dictate military tactics. Military action is an EXTENSION of diplomatic negotiation.Conceiving an operation with sufficient resources to achieve victory. Force the enemy to take desirable action. Somalia- The JFC (Joint Forces Commander) asked for Armored support to conduct the hunt for Aideed. He was told NO by the Clinton administration because Tanks were too "War Like" Result- I believe the count was 18 dead and many more wounded. We looked like idiots to the rest of the world. Some of our finest soldiers and some mother's sons were dragged through the streets like dead farm animals.Bay of Pigs- CIA promises immediate support in just about every form if Alpha 66 will begin an attack and establish a beach head. They knew damn well no support was ever planned and just hoped Alpha 66 was successful. Didn't work out.Vietnam- Grossly underestimated the enemies resolve to win at ANY cost. Failed to take the proper actions to cut off the flow of enemy supplies. They weren't ever going to be short on bodies but we could have made the supply situation very tough on them.Kurds in Northern Iraq- Replay of the Bay of Pigs some 30 years later.I hope some of our leaders have payed attention to all these failures."This conversation ends right here Captain! You can talk to the ALO when he gets back."-MeClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZBone 0 #25 September 20, 2001 Clay, I wasn't talking about taking military action and having it backfire, although Justin wins the point on that one.You stated:QuoteWe can't intimidate these people with nukes and making friends with them is obviously a lost cause. Let's do some wholesale killin AKA attitude adjustment. We must make the entire world fear the wrath of this country.This sounds like you want to intimidate nations and people until they dare not go against us, lest we smite them.Sorry, man, people don't work that way. Ask the Romans, Great Britain, Isreal, etc....We have to go after the criminals that did this, that's a short-term resolution. Longer term, if we really want to contain terrorism, we need to remove the incentive to terrorize, and the means to do it.Attempting to create fear in the masses is what creates people like bin Landen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
