freaksister 0 #1 October 25, 2001 I was listening to the radio yesterday and they made a comment about how "Hazing" was a long-time military tradition...etc. I got to thinking about skydiving...we seem to have a lot of hazing going on in our sport, especially at dropzones where there are a few veterans around...they know what hazing is really about.My question for you guys is this: What hazing traditions are common practice at your dz? Pieing is of course, hazing. So are things like SCR/SCS ceremonies. I think a lot of it started because of military influence years ago, and the nature of our personalities in general (we're whacked!) So far, I've been pied, had ice cold beer poured all over me and then the ice cooler, was almost knocked over in a porto-let, and had innumerable (?) practical jokes played on me, not to mention the verbal "hazing," "teasing," or "abuse" I've gone through! I'm not whining - it was all in good fun (except that portolet thing 0HMIGOD was I pissed)! Anyway, I had a tough skin by 20 jumps...what about you? SisMusic should trigger some kind of response... - The Chemical Brothers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #2 October 25, 2001 If you think hazing in skydiving is bad check out this poor basturd:Electrical lineman files discrimination complaints By ALLAN TURNER Copyright 2001 Houston Chronicle A 24-year-old apprentice electrical lineman has filed state and federal sex discrimination complaints against a Tomball construction company after co-workers allegedly lashed him to a utility pole and spray-painted his genitals. The plaintiff, a Matagorda County man who is married and has three children, said the episode occurred 11 a.m. Sept. 10 as young linemen roughhoused at a George M. Construction Co. work site at McDuffie and West Main. The apprentice said two journeymen -- workers a level above apprentices in a union-sanctioned training program -- bound him to the pole with tape, then sprayed him with orange enamel engine paint. "I saw them tie another guy up a week or so earlier, but they didn't paint him," said the apprentice, who spoke only on the condition that he not be identified. "I'd always been told that if you didn't fight, they'd leave you alone. "As soon as that paint hits you ... I started untying, ripping, trying to get free. The harder I fought, they just loved it that much more." The Houston case resembles recent incidents elsewhere in the nation, and some familiar with the trade suggested the attacks might be vestiges of a once-common practice of hazing new or inept workers. The man said supervisors regarded the incident as a joke, and when it became evident he might pursue legal action, one warned he would be blacklisted and never again work as a lineman. "My wife, as soon as I got home, she started crying," the man said. "I can't afford to quit the business. I've got too much money dumped into it. I had to buy textbooks, tools for the trade and boots." Construction company attorney Robert Langston declined to comment on the allegations. Plaintiff's attorney Charles Peckham filed sex discrimination and retaliation complaints with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and the Texas Commission on Human Rights. After investigation, those agencies could initiate action or refer the case for civil litigation. In March 1998, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled in Oncale v. Offshore Sundowner, a case stemming from attacks aboard a Louisiana off-shore oil rig, that federal law banning sex discrimination also applies to instances of same-sex harassment. In that case, roustabout Joseph Oncale charged that co-workers and a supervisor sexually taunted and attacked him. When he complained to company officials, the incidents were dismissed as being similar to fraternity hazing pranks. "Common sense and an appropriate sensitivity to social context," the court found, "will enable courts and juries to distinguish between simple teasing or roughhousing among members of the same sex, and conduct which a reasonable person in the plaintiff's position would find severely hostile or abusive." Last year, two apprentice linemen -- one in Nashville, Tenn., the other in Albuquerque, N.M. -- sued their employers alleging that they were assaulted by co-workers who restrained them and spray-painted their genitals. Lawyers in both cases said the lawsuits were settled out of court in favor of the plaintiffs. In the Houston case, the plaintiff was assigned to work for the Tomball construction company by Lineman Local 66 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers as part of a 7,000-hour apprentice training program. Local 66 business representative Ross Mitchell expressed surprise about the local allegations. "There had been a hazing-type situation such as this that went on years ago," he said. "But we were pretty much under the impression that it had stopped." Mitchell said employers led the way in curbing such activity. "We have encouraged the guys to go along with the contractors' suggestion that it all stop," he said. Allen Fulmer, who is owner ofLinemenOnline.Com, a Web site dedicated to issues facing the trade, said he was unfamiliar with spray-painting incidents but acknowledged that hazing occurred. "It is something that used to be common and probably still would, but now our crews have gotten smaller," he said. "Back 25 to 30 years ago, a crew would be made up of about 10 men, and you usually had six or eight on the ground so there was more horseplaying. It was all in fun and wasn't meant to belittle anybody." Earlier this year in Atlanta, he said, "I had a six-man crew and a grunt that was a good worker but constantly screwed up. ... My last day there, as a going-away gift, the crew tied him up in the sub station and whipped him with a belt while I took some pictures. That sounds terrible, doesn't it? But it wasn't. They didn't whip him too hard, and he was laughing the whole time." Wayne Blackley, owner of Associated Training Corp. in Dallas, a company that provides advanced training for linemen, also said he was unfamiliar with spray-paint attacks, but noted that linemen are "pretty rough and tumble" and that some of their horseplay "is pretty foul." "I started working as a lineman in '57," he said. "When one of my best friends was getting married, we painted him with iodine. It was all considered good-natured. It wasn't uncommon to get your (genitals) painted. ... The horseplay that went on was pretty rough, but I can't imagine putting paint on someone." Edward Geiger, dean of work force development at Houston Community College Central Campus, said the recent spray-painting incidents -- including the one alleged in Houston -- "are pretty much exceptions of the rule." Most companies, he said, are aware that any type of harassment, especially that with a sexual component, places them at great risk. Still, he said, a culture of hazing persists. "There always will be some renegade person who wants to see what he can get away with," he said. ------------------------------Theres one profession I'll stay away from!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #3 October 26, 2001 Hazing...Ah, the joy. Dropzone: pass out in a common area and you are fair game. You will at least get drawn all over with permanent magic marker, but the unlucky ones get their eyebrows shaved (like Paul Rafferty when he was on the GK 8-way team), or worse. Military: 100mph tape (green duct tape) a cherry in an immobile state, stick his ass in a sleeping bag and hang him outside a second story window by a rope. That, or if they are really bad, stick them in a metal wall-locker and throw the whole thing out a second story window. Worse injury I ever saw from that was a broken foot, but it would scare the SHIT out of them, plus ruin the wall-locker. This was all in 1982-83.ChuckMy webpage HERE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 October 26, 2001 ahhh...The Texas A&M Corps of Cadets...WHOOP!!Those who know/understand are probably laughing right now...AggieDave '02-------------Blue Skies and Gig'em Ags!BTHO t.u. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaksister 0 #5 October 26, 2001 Yes, Chuck, it is the same at my dropzone...if you pass out in a public area, ITS OVER! I was recently told the story of one unfortunate man last year, who got really drunk every night, and each time worse things happened but he didn't learn. His head was shaved, his eyebrows, finally he passed out in the dead of winter and they super-glued his hand to his dick...he pissed all over himself before he woke up too...Ouch!!That is almost as bad as the genital spray painting...But the poor sap didn't learn...there has to come a time when you GET A CLUE????SisMusic should trigger some kind of response... - The Chemical Brothers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kelly 0 #6 October 26, 2001 at cross keys we had this guy named Jono who was a packer (read: troublemaker!). now, our packers are known to be loud, obnoxious, and scream vulgar things.. . all in good fun of course! Jono was so famous for this that even for the first couple of months after he left, if i would nap on one of the couches i was jittery as hell. even with my shoes off. I was absolutely sure somebody would 'make jono proud' and decorate me. They also like to take the smaller packers like myself and wrap them up in tandem canopies.we also have this thing with candle wax and nipples, but that tends to be a guy thing (Xkeys, spreading gayyyyyyy) An certain freefly team also likes to launch water balloons from up on the deck.. with enough practice you can actually get it to soar over the bathrooms, across the deck, and into the tiki bar. then theres the rules about cel phones ringing at the compound...geeze, i wonder how i made it a whole season without being seriously injured..."i can not attest to what i did, just what i remember...."~me, after one too many Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 October 26, 2001 Whatever hazing you may encounter at a DZ is nothing compared to the abuse that some military folks get when they get their jump wings.Essentially, the -pins- are pounded into their chests. Fist first. Bloody mess.I -just- talked with some USAF cadets attending the Nationals at Eloy about it and although it may not -officially- still happen -- in reality, it actually does.Female cadets -included-.Paulhttp://futurecam.com/skydive.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #8 October 26, 2001 "Female cadets -included-."ah, at least we have extra padding??OUCH!!!!!!is that a good tradition???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freaksister 0 #9 October 26, 2001 Extra padding or not, it would still be extremely painful!! I don't think having breasts would assist at all...Yikes!SisMusic should trigger some kind of response... - The Chemical Brothers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #10 October 26, 2001 Yeah...that wing pounding thing kinda sucks. I had three sets to get pinned. Plus the Air Force still has stripes on the sleeves so thats another opportunity. I'm sure Chuck can attest to getting his Ranger tab pinned. I hear thats a good one! It's a right of passage though. It gives a little more meaning and group recognition to your already lofty accomplishments. Of course at my last unit it did get a little out of hand now and again. It seemed that every day someone was getting tied up, beaten, hosed down, and buried up to their necks in sand. Now one of the best ones I remember was the time we had a TSgt (E-6) that was leaving us to go "Over the Fence" Term for going to the unit next to mine. The Top Secret, doesn't exist, don't take pictures thing. Anyway, of course we tied him up, covered him with all sorts of nasty stuff, put him in the back of a truck and hauled him down the street to the compound gate. Well, this one guy was video taping the whole thing. You should have seen the guard come flying out of the booth (toting shotgun) yelling to turn off the camera! Once we did that he let us drop off our "package" for the new unit. We just left the guy lying there, wrapped in 100MPH tape, covered in shaving cream, with ice still down his pants. What fun!!!"There once was a man named Enis....."-Krusty the ClownClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grogs 0 #11 October 26, 2001 Yeah, I remember the military hazings. I only had the wings pounded in a couple of times, and I never really thought it hurt too badly. When I went to Airborne School (95) they must have been really cracking down on that sort of thing, because the black hats pretty much said no way, no how, I better not even see it or I'll pull your certificate. At Air Assault School (93), they pretty much gave the same speech, but followed it up with 'but if you'd like my personal congratulations, meet me behind the bleachers'. The worst I ever got though was branch night. We got drunk off our asses and ran around all night pounding each others branch insignia into our chests, followed by staggering back into the barracks and having all the plebes pound the chest a little more. Many of us had to get a new dress uniform after that. Actually, the worst hazings we did at the academy (West Point) were birthdays. A typical birthday involved 10-20 guys grabbing the 'lucky' birthday boy, taping his hands and feet, pulling his shorts down, and writing his age on his ass-cheeks with edge dressing. This was sometimes followed by throwing the birthday boy in a laundry cart and pushing him down by the guard room where the OC (Officer in Charge) would find him. For these reasons, it was usually a good idea to keep your birthday secret, or else just tying him to a pole in one of the areas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #12 October 26, 2001 "it was usually a good idea to keep your birthday secret"That was definately TOP SECRET info!"There once was a man named Enis....."-Krusty the ClownClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #13 October 26, 2001 Quotethe worst hazings we did at the academy (West Point) Ah! A TRADE SCHOOL officer!Just picking brother, but that was not my bag. That time of your life is best spent sowing your oats, at least in my opinion. ROTC at a party school will get you the same degree and commision, plus you have a much better chance of catching your first sexually transmitted disease in frat house orgy! ChuckMy webpage HERE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #14 October 26, 2001 "plus you have a much better chance of catching your first sexually transmitted disease in frat house orgy!"Well said! Oh King of Skymonkeys!!!! "There once was a man named Enis....."-Krusty the ClownClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #15 October 27, 2001 thanks chuck, i now know what to do with the rest of my life......... now how do you spell rotc............"up my noooossseee"- wingnut, at first euro dz.com boogie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #16 October 28, 2001 "now how do you spell rotc............"Shit, you're about to spend several months in Florida at the Testosterone Inn. Just don't go gettin all drunk before the Block V field trip. (Like my class) That's gonna be about 26-30 of the worst hours of your life and that's just the first day! LMAO. You still have the rest of the week to go!Do you know what your class number will be yet?"There once was a man named Enis....."-Krusty the ClownClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #17 October 28, 2001 clay,nope i have no idea about the clas number... just a class start date.... i probly won't find that out tuntil i get there and am in class.... and as it stands they are trying to pcs me to holloman afb... i tried to tell mpf that it is not where i am suposed to go they just said go with it....ahhhhhh nonners(office beetches), i want to kick em in the teeth......."up my noooossseee"- wingnut, at first euro dz.com boogie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 October 28, 2001 "holloman afb..."I don't think there are any ROMAD assignments out there. The closest out that way I know of is ABCCC out at DM in Arizona? Just go to the MPF and bitch up a storm until they change it. Have you thought about the airborne thing yet? I was in Falcon 37. I think they are up in the 60's or 70's now. Of course, that was back in 94. Man, hard to believe it's been that long! "There once was a man named Enis....."-Krusty the ClownClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #19 October 28, 2001 Quote Extra padding or not, it would still be extremely painful!! I don't think having breasts would assist at all...Yikes! Especially if they are implants.... Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #20 October 28, 2001 Quote Actually, the worst hazings we did at the academy (West Point) were birthdays. A typical birthday involved 10-20 guys grabbing the 'lucky' birthday boy, taping his hands and feet, pulling his shorts down, and writing his age on his ass-cheeks with edge dressing. This was sometimes followed by throwing the birthday boy in a laundry cart and pushing him down by the guard room where the OC (Officer in Charge) would find him. For these reasons, it was usually a good idea to keep your birthday secret, or else just tying him to a pole in one of the areas. I guess having a b-day on Feb 29th would be a good thing there, then......well, 3 out of 4 years, anyways..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #21 October 28, 2001 Quote freeflir29(Pooh-Bah)10/28/01 01:50 AM ALL HAIL THE GRAND POOH-BAH......aka, guy with no life.. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #22 October 28, 2001 all hail the poh-bah..... oh post hore, how do u do it??? is it with lots of meaningless drivel of is there a bigger master plan....oh we await your comand great poh-bah!!!!!!"up my noooossseee"- wingnut, at first euro dz.com boogie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #23 October 28, 2001 I think the beer rules themselves are a hazing sort of ritual. Eventually you just learn not to say the F word... Stacyhttp://astro.temple.edu/~sweeks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 October 28, 2001 QuoteActually, the worst hazings we did at the academy (West Point) were birthdays. The Corps of Cadets is similar to West Point, but I've had some crazy times. My fish (freshman) year, I passed out due to punishment PT a couple times, been ax-handled a few times, and a few other things. Wasn't too bad, though, built a lot of character. Did I do similar things to my subordinates? Nope. I have a diffrent outlook on leadership then the people above me did. Though, that year does give you the confidence that nothing will ever beable to defeat you. I'll let you know how true that is after OCS (Marine 10-week) this summer. AggieDave '02-------------Blue Skies and Gig'em Ags!BTHO t.u. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #25 October 29, 2001 "is it with lots of meaningless drivel of is there a bigger master plan"Yes......."There once was a man named Enis....."-Krusty the ClownClay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
