New bin Laden video

[SpeedRacer 1]

They just released the new video of bin Laden meeting with his friends in a house in Kandehar. The transcript is on cnn.com. My God, what a sick, twisted evil f&*ker he is.
This just might shut up all those wussy, PC, hyper-liberals I have to put up with in Cambridge Massachusetts, when I'm visiting my brothers during the holidays. Probably not, though.
Speed Racer
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork from my lunch?!
-WC Fields

[riggerrob 643]

Realy scary how the Pentagon delayed releasing that video for so many days.
I will only believe the "analyists" after I have watched it with an independent, Arabic-speaking friend.
I parted company with organised religion decades ago over this whole concept of holy war/crusade/jihad.
How can preachers/imams/rabbis/priests/padres be such
hypocrits and look at themselves in the mirror?
Will someone please explain to me how Osama bin Linden, - who professes to worship the God who handed Moses the 10 Commandments - could commit murder and claim to be doing God's work?

[lummy 4]

Rob,
I understand what you mean about delaying. I do have to say, that I seriously doubt that your friends translation will be very different from what the "official" translation is. The Administration looks as if they made sure thet crossed their T's and dotted their i's here. They are using the video as a means to show the world that this guy is "evil" and don't want ANY doubt unlike the TWA crash a few years ago when the Egyptian pilot was heard muttering prayers and everyone had their own opinion as to what it meant.
Of course no one has even brought up the possibility that the video is a complete fabrication, why not, we have the technology. "Hey Guys, Look what I found here in this VCR, OH look, it says Osama's confession on it, Let's watch!!!"

[freeflir29 0]

What's that saying..believe none of what ya hear and only some of what you see.....I'm really quite suprised that he had direct knowledge of this. Maybe I had underestimated him.....
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[wildblue 7]

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Of course no one has even brought up the possibility that the video is a complete fabrication, why not, we have the technology. "Hey Guys, Look what I found here in this VCR, OH look, it says Osama's confession on it, Let's watch!!!"

I actually thought of this a few weeks ago, jokingly saying "We should recruit Hollywood.. put a look-alike in a video telling the world he was wrong and he's sorry..." etc etc
But, I don't know, I don't really think it's something they could fake - because if there's one little thing wrong that tips people off, it will completely backfire and piss off the entire world.
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[SpeedRacer 1]

Well, I think the tape was found in Jalalabad after the Taliban were defeated there. The president wanted to make sure that everyone would see its authenticity, so they needed to get four non-governmental translators.
Of course, anyone can sit back & concoct all the conspiracy theories they want to, and that's what some people in the Middle East who like Osama are doing, naturally. Hell, they could find handwritten notes to Mohammed Atta in bin Laden's handwriting with bin Laden's DNA on them, and it wouldn't be enough. Doesn't it remind you of a certain sports celebrity's trial?
But the public release of the tape yesterday was probably used to eclipse the president's backing out of the ABM treaty. This is a strategy known as a "news dump", when an administration is about to do something controversial, they make sure it coincides with another big piece of news.
Speed Racer
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork from my lunch?!
-WC Fields

[freeflir29 0]

"news dump"
I think you just hit the nail on the head with that one. Since reportedly the Pentagon wasn't planning on making the existance of the tape "public" but it was "leaked" to a reporter at the Washington Post. Whoops......LOL. If that shit was really leaked.....someone with security clearance would be going to jail. Trust me....when you get a clearance they make it abundantly clear that your heart should belong to Jesus but your ASS BELONGS TO THEM!!!!
"and I'm not easily impressed...Ooohh look...a blue car!" -Homer Simpson

[skyhawk 2]

Lots of questions spring up
"we had finished our work that day and had the radio on, it was 5:30 our time..... and also we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy who would be killed based on the position of the tower......Due to my experience in this field, i was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building
these are just some examples from the paper. This tape was not meant to be public release even in the middle east so why would
a. this tape of been made in the first place there seems to be no reason.
Second the way he talks is more like one of those british documentries where the person is explaining what happened people dont talk like that.
Also why would he be so calm by late november he was already losing had no real chance of winning with ppl begining to defect.
by the same token all this stuff about its fake cause its blurry and muffled well anyone that has used a video camera can tell u that thats life if its being used by inexperienced ppl then add the fact it was prob a very cheap and also old camera and prob not looked after well so that bit doesnt hold.
The way i see it
1. This tape is real and thats that]
2. This tape was made by osama because he saw his death coming and a. wanted his cause broadcast worldwide b.wanted to be remembered
3.This tape is propaganda by either
a. The taliban
b. other countrys groups such as iraq
c. The northen alience
4. It was made by america or its allies to support there cause (this by no means means that osama wasnt responible the mayby just didnt have enough proof that they either could/ wanted to prove he did it.
there are some other posibilites and i have more to say if you all wanna listen but i dont want to clog up the server
Also i am not a conspiricy theorist and while i question the tape as stated even if it is "fake" there are quite a few other possiblities about who faked it rather than just the us.
Also the stament "the us has the technology" is crap especially in the middle east there is a ton of ppl that could be made to look like osama we know for a fact he has/had doubles and with a beard covering much of his face on blurry vid it wouldn't be that hard
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[lummy 4]

Lots of questions spring up
Here Here....
Isn't it kinda strange that he'll be talking about one thing , and then just start talking about somethign completely different? There's no consistency in the conversation.
One of things that I find hilarious is that people are claiming that no one would "FAKE" such a poor quality video. Uh HELLO!!! What better way to cover up any imperfections?
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't truly beleive that this is a fake. I'm just not going to blindly follow the masses and swallow a pill before knowing what I'm shoving down my throat
And Don't EVEN get me started on this "Evil " crap.

[skyhawk 2]

yep im starting to think this video is a fake but not nesecerily by the us. also another possible 1. like someone said is to coverup the fact that they where cancelling the treaty which if you think about it is a hell of alot bigger than the tape and to be honest while 3500 innocent ppl died a nuclear weapon specificly missile woulod kill alot more especially if aimed at a packed city also ppl are less likly to care about it because they are feeling really patriotic more so after seeing the video and bush even said the weapons where for terrorists and rouge states which i dont acctually understand as nuken a terrorist would kill tons of innocents and the rouge states are places like iraq which have nukes and bilogical weapons much more deadly than the cold war while lots of things came into the equasion the cold war was speificly about power wheres these countrys leaders hate america and its allies russia and the us built bombs for power and safety iraq builds them for attack
Also while i and hopfully other bring points up it could all be circumstantial just like number 11 theorys and how the intelligence agency "should" of seeen it coming etc ect its easy enough to look at something and see problems hell ppl hav eput foward valid points about not only why but how we havnt landed in the moon and why the earth is really flat
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[jtval 0]

he shaved, cut his hair asnd is working in a suit on wallstreet.
seriously, i havent seen the video yet. saw a few seconds here but im not sure what the scene is like in america but YES. i wanna listen. im curious about whats going on there.
(but i wanna start off by saying i hope this post doesnt start flame wars again)
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JT

[lummy 4]

DUDE!!! I THOUGHT was him!!!!!! THe F'er tried to sell me some Enron stock!!!!
That Sick Bastard :)

[DickMcMahon 0]

... the video is a possible fabrication? Come on!
If anything looked fake, it was seeing the video of airliners
crashing into the New York towers. We would have said
the special effects were no good if it were a Hollywood
disaster movie. Yet, it was real!
Sure, TV technology can do a lot these days ... but the
stakes are too high to fake the bin Laden tape. The
administration HAD to be very careful on this one.
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[skyhawk 2]

as i said the vid dindt seem fake and also it wasnt necesarrily the us that faked it
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[AggieDave 6]

This is the sort of stuff that's get's the conspiracy theriost going. There are ways to tell if a video has been doctored or faked, etc and I'm fairly sure that the DOD would have checked those things before releasing it to the public.
You know, I saw Elvis pumping JFK's UFO full of gas at the truck stop in Anna, Texas last week...
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[lummy 4]

True,
But how many stories have we heard that turned out to be fake? The marine in the trenches e-mail? People who tried to collect insurance money? Did anyone see the pic of the guy standing on the observation deck of WTC. In the background was an American Airlines 757 heading straight towards him?
We live in a society where the $3000 desktop and a lot of time could make that video...
I'm rambling...

[skyhawk 2]

There are ways to tell if a video has been doctored or faked
i have no doubt that the video is real it the fact wether or not it is a. of bin laden b.a tape found by the us that we where not meant to find
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[SpeedRacer 1]

My gut tells me that this video is real.
As to why it was made, just look at the hosts. They were clearly honored to have Osama there, they're all sort of fawning all over him. They wanted to record this moment.
The fact that the conversation DOES sort of jump is only natural when people are talking casually at a party.
But of course, it really doesn't matter to some people. I heard some guy on one news forum say "Isn't it a little too CONVENIENT that the sound is poor?" But think about it, if the sound had been crystal clear this same guy woud be saying "Isn't it a little too CONVENIENT that the sound is so clear?"
The fact is that no matter what the video looks or sounds like, a determined conspiracy theorist will always say its fake.
I understand and agree with people who say you shouldn't just mindlessly accept everything the government says. But by the same token, it's just as mindless to automatically assume that absolutely EVERYTHING the government says is 180 degrees false.
Speed Racer
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork from my lunch?!
-WC Fields

[nacmacfeegle 0]

What if.....
It is fake, but faked by OBL to discredit the US/alliance.........
Possibly as a last ditch 'I'm innocent' ploy.
Personally I think its real tho.....

[SpeedRacer 1]

How could that be?? In the video Osama talks about planning the whole thing!
Speed Racer
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork from my lunch?!
-WC Fields

[lummy 4]

Hmmmm....
I'm not following this conspiracy theory. UBL makes a video confessing to prove he's innocent?
I think that the US needs to come clean and put all the evidence on the table. Where'd this come from? Who'se possesion has it been in? What other evidence do they have?
Another question, How the heck were they able to smuggle a handicapped Sheikh in AND out of Afghanistan without us knowing?

[freeflir29 0]

"How the heck were they able to smuggle a handicapped Sheikh in AND out of Afghanistan without us knowing?"
I don't think that would be hard at all. See....the financial backing that some of these people have is staggering. As we all know....with enough time and money you can do anything!
"and I'm not easily impressed...Ooohh look...a blue car!" -Homer Simpson

[SpeedRacer 1]

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I think that the US needs to come clean and put all the evidence on the table

There's always going to be some evidence that they can't put on the table w/o compromising their contacts.

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, How the heck were they able to smuggle a handicapped Sheikh in AND out of Afghanistan without us knowing?

WTF? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this video was found in Jalalabad when it was taken over after the Taliban were defeated there. And that Osama had been visiting these guys right there in Jalalabad in mid-early November. So this guy with the blanket on his legs I just assumed had been fighing somewhere up north & had been wounded. Or stepped on a landmine.
Did I miss something? Why do you think he (the wounded guy) was smuggled into or out of Aghanistan after being wounded?
Speed Racer
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork from my lunch?!
-WC Fields

[gemini 0]

Let's see...who shall I believe...Osama or Bush? Osama implicated in numerous incidents worldwide, hates US. Bush appears to be honest and credible. Gosh guys this is really a difficult decision...if pigs fly!
Gemini
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[lummy 4]

The guy is a Saudi Sheikh. According to CIA, his name is Sheikh Sulayman