pyke 0 #1 November 20, 2001 With the impending holiday season about us....EVERYONE CHECK YOUR RIGS!!!!We had a very serious accident in Monroe this past weekend, involving a very experienced jumper. Initial consults with the DZ Rigger suggest that his closing loop may have been too tight leading to a delay in deployment. He was lower than "normal" so the delay cut his decision time short, leading to a terminal reserve opening.Such an opening *broke* several lines on his reserve and caused him to spiral in. He is in critical condition, but expected to make a full recovery in time. He was flying a Raven reserve - so Raven owners....have your riggers check your line groups at your next repack!!! (not slamming Raven's - one saved my ass a while back - just have them checked!)EVERYONE - Holidays are crazy times.....so don't forget to do the ONE, SIMPLEST thing that could make everyone's holiday a SAFE and HAPPY one!!!!CHECK YOUR FRIENDS, CHECK YOUR FRIENDS' FRIENDS, AND CHECK YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!Pyke signing off - wishing all the very best in this SAFE holiday season. Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke The Kiwi Lesbian!!!USPA C- 31879 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #2 November 20, 2001 Quotehis closing loop may have been too tight leading to a delay in deploymentI'm no rigger, but can someone explain this one to me????Prompt recovery!RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #3 November 20, 2001 I am no rigger either, but I believe that a stuck closing loop can cause a TOTAL malfunction, much the same as a bag lock - nothing comes out.Closing loops should be tight, but not TOO tight. Anyway, I *don't* know the full story, but that is what I was told.Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke The Kiwi Lesbian!!!USPA C- 31879 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #4 November 20, 2001 I agree, a stuck pin can cause a mal, but what I cant see is how you can pack a main with too tight a closing loop! I understand you dont have all the facts Pyke...RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #5 November 20, 2001 Let me rephrase that: what I cant see is how you can pack a main with too tight a closing loop that the tighness will case a total....RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #6 November 20, 2001 Did he have a bag lock? or a container lock?I don't see how you could have a closing loop so tight the pin wouldn't come out.And since he broke the reserve, I'm assuming he was overloading it. Ravens are pretty tough. Any info on reserve size & exit weight?I ain't happy, I'm feeling gladI got sunshine, in a bag Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #7 November 20, 2001 This I do know Wildblue...He is ~200 out the door, on a 180 Raven - so even though he was "over loading" his reserve...I don't think it was serious enough to do 'that' kind of damage, but apparently - it WAS!!!....didn't have a 'lock' of any kind....just a delay long enough to make him chop 'cause he was too low.Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke The Kiwi Lesbian!!!USPA C- 31879 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RemiAndKaren 0 #8 November 20, 2001 200 on a 180 reverve is overloading??????????I guess we just dont have enough info to understand what happened..If what he had was a "delay" then he would have had a partially opened main maybe what he had was a delay cus he was already low and rushed his opening sequence amd didnt through his pc or pulled well enough his pod that the PC got cought in the burbble...Sorry Pyke, i know you dont knwo much about it...and again, I think all we can do here is analyse an event we know not enough about to properly analyse it...RemiMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #9 November 20, 2001 ah.. ok.. so the pc might have got in his burble, forgot to cock it, just seemed like a long time... whatever.. went low and got jumpy (for good reason)Not sure how you break a raven loaded like that.I ain't happy, I'm feeling gladI got sunshine, in a bag Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #10 November 20, 2001 Yup, you're right Remi....all we can really do is analyse it - even though we don't have ALL the facts.Point being....DO your SAFETY CHECKS and look out for others!!! I know that when I am at the dz, I can be influenced by other thoughts, and forget simple ones that are more "present".TAKE CARE ALL!! Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke The Kiwi Lesbian!!!USPA C- 31879 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merrick 0 #11 November 20, 2001 Makes sense to me... Wouldn't that simply be a pilot-chute in tow? There was a guy in Houston while we were there that had at least 2 pilot-chutes in tow (on two seperate jump smart ass ).... Tiny pilot-chute + very tight rig (he was trying to stuff a canopy into a container that was too small for it) = Pilot-chute in tow (read: serious delay in deployment)."Pammi's Hemp/Skydiving Jewelry" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #12 November 20, 2001 QuoteThere was a guy in Houston while we were there that had at least 2 pilot-chutes in tow I know who you're talking about. He gets 'em all the time. Everybody tells him to get a bigger pilot chute but he doesn't. I have absolutely no idea why. "Wear the grudge like a crown. Desperate to control. Unable to forgive. And we're sinking deeper." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #13 November 20, 2001 The guy was jumping at SSL last weekend and I asked him about his pilot chute. He said he had replaced it with a larger one! Only time I have known the guy that he upsized anything. At least his 2k snivel woke him up in time.GeminiCo Van My Tuong Huu Dong Nam A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #14 November 20, 2001 Good to hear gemini! I thought of him myself when I saw this thread. The first time he told me he'd had a pilot chute in tow, I thought "Shit..glad you're okay." Second time (next jump) I thought "Shit, get that handled!"Family Photos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #15 November 20, 2001 Jumped with a "new' guy two weeks ago who asked for a gear check. He had a rented Vector on. Got to the Cypress, and it wasn't turned on. Said something and he said, "Oh". Exact same thing this weekend. His response this time? "What's a Cypress?" Swear to god. Sometimes we forget, on every jump we can be an instructor, whether we want to be or not.Homer: If something goes wrong, blame the guy who can't speak English. flyhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #16 November 20, 2001 Hehe....thought you were talking about Derek, except for the stuffing too large a canopy in to too small of a container. Ever want entertainment watch him do a hop and pop, pilot chute in tow every time. Of course it doesn't bother him at all, he just reaches back, pulls the pin, and out comes his hanky. :-) Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyke 0 #17 November 20, 2001 This guy sounds like a statistic WAITING to happen...guess the clue here is track very far away from this guy!!!!!Kahurangi e Mahearangi,Pyke The Kiwi Lesbian!!!USPA C- 31879 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 November 20, 2001 "This guy sounds like a statistic WAITING to happen"He's just out to prove that if you try hard enough....yes you can kill yourself with modern skydiving equipment. "Shut up Dummy!"- Fred G Sanford Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #19 November 20, 2001 *shrug* guess you have to know him...what's a little tug on a bridle on a sub-terminal opening. If he wasn't safe he wouldn't have made it to almost 3000 jumps without a single injury. As for tracking.....just ask the guys from Spaceland who won Lee McMillian's Last Gasp Tracking Contest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #20 November 20, 2001 We may be confusing two different people here. Derek is not the person Merrick & Gemini are talking about. And skycat is right, I wouldn't worry too much about derek, he's probably one of the most safety conscious and competent jumpers I know of.And he can swoop the bejeezus out of a VX69! "Wear the grudge like a crown. Desperate to control. Unable to forgive. And we're sinking deeper." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #21 November 20, 2001 Thats a VX 60 darlin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #22 November 20, 2001 QuoteThats a VX 60 darlinShit, they don't even have those listed on the Icarus website! "Wear the grudge like a crown. Desperate to control. Unable to forgive. And we're sinking deeper." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #23 November 20, 2001 hehehe.....but as they say, they will make you whatever you want in whatever size you want. Hence why I have a 104 on the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gemini 0 #24 November 20, 2001 Absolutely two different guys. I have jumped with both. Derek is always very safety conscious except for the postage stamp main and the hook. The other guy is very aggressive and downsized faster than his abilities. I refused to jump with him for about six months. It's sad because he is not a bad guy, but will be an "incident" one day.GeminiCo Van My Tuong Huu Dong Nam A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #25 November 20, 2001 So is there a solid rule with the pin check. I was taught you should be able to move it slightly back and forth and feel tension on the loop , but if you can pick up the rig by the bridal and it doesnt move, its too tight. Is this correct?jasonjason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
gemini 0 #24 November 20, 2001 Absolutely two different guys. I have jumped with both. Derek is always very safety conscious except for the postage stamp main and the hook. The other guy is very aggressive and downsized faster than his abilities. I refused to jump with him for about six months. It's sad because he is not a bad guy, but will be an "incident" one day.GeminiCo Van My Tuong Huu Dong Nam A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #25 November 20, 2001 So is there a solid rule with the pin check. I was taught you should be able to move it slightly back and forth and feel tension on the loop , but if you can pick up the rig by the bridal and it doesnt move, its too tight. Is this correct?jasonjason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
