bill2 0 #1 February 1, 2002 I expect to get flamed for this, but that's ok. I was just reading the replies on the girlfriend problem friend, and of course the usual whuffo comments got started. Now I believe that guys/girls who belittle skydiving and don't want anyone else doing it are idiots and narrow minded, but this elitest talk about whuffos is a bit much. Too many times on this forum, I hear stuff about "I don't talk to people who don't skydive" or I bore my whuffo friends because I talk about skydiving all the time", or comments about if people don't skydive they're not worth talking to. Also, some of the comments about how you're at a party or in public and start acting like you're jumping out of a plane or dirt diving, sounds like nothing more than "hey look at me, aren't I cool?" It makes me wonder if some of these comments and actions aren't so much showing how much you love skydiving as it is just a bid for attention. I used to teach martial arts a long time ago, and now ride motorcycles a lot. In both cases, there were people who had all the trappings and jargon but who didn't really seem to enjoy those activities that much. The martial arts guys started talking like a chinese fortune cookie and wearing those little kung fu slippers and bowing all the time (but never made it to class consistently) and the motorcycle guys who bought sportbikes then purchased expensive racing suits and modifications for their bikes but never attended track schools to hone their skills. The Harley guys bought all this chrome for their bikes and lots of black leather, but rode less than a thousand miles a year, all the time making fun of motorcyclists who didn't ride Harleys. I love to skydive, am very much a beginner, but I still have other interests in life. When I hear stuff about how "all my whuffo friends get tired of my talking about skydiving all the time", I'm not suprised. If that's all you know and talk about, you end up being quite boring to be around. As for the fear factor, not everyone who is a whuffo is scared of skydiving. Some just may not be interested, some may not have the time or money. I'm sure I can find people who race motorcycles who think that most skydivers would be terrified at banging handlebars on a racetrack at 150 mph. If all they talk about is bike racing, I would find them boring also. As for danger, well try cave diving, probably the most dangerous sport in the world. I've scuba dived, and have no desire to try cave diving. Which lets me segue into my final point, which is that practically everyone is afraid of something. You may be fine with heights, but terrified of something else. Me, I can now, well pretty much, handle jumping out of a plane. I still get nervous but no where near what I felt on my AFF1. However, I have a friend who has gone caving into some really tight spots who is also deathly afraid of heights. I wouldnt' call him chickenshit or not have anything to do with him just because he will never skydive. He has done something I will never do, the caving. I'm sure that there will be a lot of people who don't like what I've written, but maybe some of those people will realize that it's because it hits a bit too close to home.Now let the flaming begin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMarshMan1 0 #3 February 1, 2002 Nah dude, I'm not gonna flame you. In fact, I totally agree with you. I dont talk to whuffos about skydiving unless they ask- for the simple reason that I DONT want to bore them with it. Along the same lines, I dont avoid having whuffos as friends. I have several really good friends that are whuffos, and none of them will probably ever be a skydiver- at least nothing more than a tandem. Just because I skydive doesnt mean I'm gonna look down on other people. I agree with you 100%- we all have things that scare us. One of my friends is an expert motocross racer...that guy can haul ass like you wouldnt believe. I tried motocross, so I know the balls and the hard work and the dedication that it takes to excel in that sport. I totally respect the fact that he will never jump out of a plane- the way I see it, its his loss, but Im not gonna criticize him for it. I do think it takes something special to be a skydiver, and I do think that it IS something special to be a skydiver. But that doesnt mean that everyone is below you (figuratively speaking, of course). Just my $.02Blue skies,Marshall Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Viking 0 #4 February 1, 2002 Very well said. I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #5 February 1, 2002 God, we just had this thread, didn't we?http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forums/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=forumtalkback&Number=77221&page=5&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&part=Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #6 February 1, 2002 Like you said ,,some will agree with ya and some wont. I agree with ya though. If someone approaches me and wants to talk skydiving I'll talk skydiving but I usaullly dont try to bring it up in a conversation unless provoked . If people want to know they'll ask. And yes it is sad that there are a lot of posers out there!! I think people who launch off a damn 10ft half pipe on a skateboard are crazy!!! Skydiving is cool and crazy but its not the craziest thing I ever saw!! All in all I agree with your statement. There is a fine line between sharing your knowledge and expereinace (no mattter how little) with the unknowing, and just flat out trying to show off or brag about the things we do! But then again you'll find that in any extremem sport !jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MarkM 0 #7 February 1, 2002 QuoteYou may be fine with heights, but terrified of something else. No way dude, heights scare the crap out of me. Why do you think I started skydiving in the first place? The whuffo talk is mostly in good fun, but any sport has its insiders and outsiders. You think motorcycle racers don't make fun of squids?And some people, squids or certain whuffos, deserve to made fun of.It doesn't matter if a skydiver makes some remark about a whuffo. It's how we treat the people who are really interested in the sport, new students, that matters and I think the sport has a pretty good track record with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveMonkey 0 #8 February 1, 2002 I look forward to the weekends when I can go to the DZ and talk to poeple about skydiving with them enjoying the converstion instead of the "not this again" look on their face. Support the cause - do a skydive(r) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rendezvous 0 #9 February 1, 2002 my sentiments totally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sebazz1 2 #10 February 1, 2002 I think you are 100% right.............But.....I want to eat, breath, drink, sleep, skydiving...........My name is Sebastien and I have no life........On a certain days I can almost go without talking about jumping for like an hour?........Why did you land downwind? The winds were blowing the wrong way........Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #11 February 1, 2002 I love to skydive and yes, I enjoy bashing wuffos, but only on this site. I admit I'm probably boring in a conversation cuz all I do is talk about skydiving however, there is a reason behind my madness and that is to promote the sport. I talk about my experiences and hope to spark an interest in others. I mostly do this with good looking woman in hopes they'll join the sport and I can have BOOBIES at the DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #12 February 1, 2002 QuoteToo many times on this forum, I hear stuff about "I don't talk to people who don't skydive" or I bore my whuffo friends because I talk about skydiving all the time", or comments about if people don't skydive they're not worth talking to. We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.We're just a bunch of old men at the 19th hole making up stories about our golf day. I don't see the problem with that.QuoteThe martial arts guys started talking like a chinese fortune cookie and wearing those little kung fu slippers and bowing all the time (but never made it to class consistently) and the motorcycle guys who bought sportbikes then purchased expensive racing suits and modifications for their bikes but never attended track schools to hone their skills.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?QuoteNow let the flaming begin. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #13 February 2, 2002 Basically my whole world is skydiving - I work in the industry, I play at the dz and that's about all I do. Because of this I have very little in common with someone who doesn't jump. I'm cool with that; immersing myself in this world was my choice and I don't feel I'm missing anything by having done so. The few non-jumping friends that I have all know that pretty much my entire life revolves around skydiving, but I've been jumping long enough now (twelve years this coming Monday) that I can spend time with them without constantly talking about it. I've never really felt the need to dirt dive in public but then again, I don't often attend parties or go out in groups where the majority of people I'm hanging out with are not jumpers. I wear skydiving related t-shirts pretty much every day but I don't wear them to get attention, I wear them because they make up the bulk of my wardrobe. I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.As for the fear factor, I have nothing but respect for people who do any "dangerous" activities - skydiving, BASE jumping, motorcycle racing, surfing, skiing, SCUBA, caving, rock climbing, mountaineering, backpacking, skateboarding, whatever. The people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couch... those are the people I'm talking about when I dis whuffos.pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #14 February 2, 2002 CHEARS! I agree the forums are ment to let us kick back and blow smoke. Now it you continue the hazing in the everyday world then I believe you've go to far, but as for the DZ.com and wuffo bashing let the god times roll cuz thats what were here for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #15 February 2, 2002 QuoteIf someone approaches me and wants to talk skydiving I'll talk skydiving but I usaullly dont try to bring it up in a conversation unless provoked . If people want to know they'll ask Yeah this is generally how I am now. But I gotta admit, when I was starting out I just couldn't stop babbling about it, to everyone. It's a phase, you know? So I can kinda understand new skydivers who dirt dive at whuffo parties or something....I know it could be construed as being kinda dumb, but I can understand how that feels when you're starting out, so I say we gotta cut the new skydivers some slack here.I mean, as long as you don't go around rejecting or looking down on people (figuratively) who don't skydive.Speed Racer"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #16 February 2, 2002 QuoteThe people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couchWHAT????? You never heard of EXTREME COUCH POTATOING!! jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #17 February 2, 2002 We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.________________________Nothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?___________________________________It depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! _________________________________Not defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrose7 0 #18 February 2, 2002 I gotta say, being new, I am still in a talk, talk, talk phase. Now, in order to salvage any friendships I have--I come here to talk. I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jokes. In fact, I appreciate them (most) , because my day to day life deals with my friends mocking me about the fact that I love this so much. I know that may be annoying to some, but I think I will eventually get out of the stage and I have you all to thank for having fun and helpful conversations about skydiving that my friends would not want to hear...again. The mind is like a parachute--it works better when it is open. JUMP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #19 February 2, 2002 I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.___________________________________I do understand when people dedicate their lives to one thing. I think it's great. More power to you. However, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they do (or what their fears are), and talk only about skydiving (which you indicated that you don't do when talking to non skydiving friends), and seem to be doing things in public just to get attention. I plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump. If they are interested, and some have been, I will be glad to talk to them about it and invite them to come out. However if I notice them entering the state of MEGO (My eyes glaze over - an old sales term I learned long ago), I will shut up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #20 February 2, 2002 QuoteNothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.Heh, there's a LOT of stuff on these forums I find tiring. Oh well, too bad for me, I'm only one member of a huge community.QuoteIt depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. Yeah, I can give you this. I'm just wondering by whose standard we judge a poseur. I don't have time to jump much -- does that make ME a poseur?Anyway, TRUE poseurs are in a private hell of their own making. How sad to be so close to something, but still unable to really embrace it.QuoteNot defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line.I'm not laughing, I'm scowling! No wait, I'm laughing. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #21 February 2, 2002 Well played dude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chickenhawk420 0 #22 February 2, 2002 Well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #23 February 2, 2002 QuoteHowever, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they doI'm sorry, man, but I've been reading and posting to these forums for a while and I don't really think that that is a valid observation (of these forums at any rate). None of the whuffo-related humour here is malicious, it is just us having a laugh at their expense, the same as they do to us. For example, I once went for a job interview and when the interviewer saw skydiving on my CV - he started asking me about my *splat stat*. Gee, that was really funny...I agree with what was said elsewhere, skydiving isn't for everybody - but the people who I feel sorry for are the ones who have nothing in their lives to get passionate about. It doesn't matter what it is, it doesn't even have to be a sport - but I look at the crap that some people fill their lives with and find meaningful (TV, buying designer clothes, package holidays etc.) and I really feel sorry for them. BUT when those same people feel they have the right to condemn skydiving for whatever reason (crazy, stupid, suicidal etc. etc.) then I will tell them where to get off. I have 167 jumps, which is not much (and not likely to increase soon with the shite UK weather) but I have made a lot of sacrifices to pay for training, gear, jump tickets, transport etc. However this doesn't make me any different from just about any other fun jumper. So, given the sacrifices we make and the risks inherent in the sport we have chosen, exactly how should we react when some thick as fuck whuffo sees a skydiving T-shirt and makes a judgement call and smart arse comment about the wearer???As for :QuoteI plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump.I've got news for you - by the end of the year, it'll be them dumping you. Your weekend plans will be dictated by weather forecasts and on non-jumping weekends your social life will be dictated by your jumping budget. Anyway, that was just my $0,02/£0,01 worth! (not a flame, just how I feel)Will"Don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #24 February 2, 2002 *clap clap clap*Anyway, bill2, watch what happens when a living, breathing whuffo shows up in the forums. We treat them with a hell of a lot more respect than we show each other. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! 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Viking 0 #4 February 1, 2002 Very well said. I swear you must have footprints on the back of your helmet - chicagoskydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #5 February 1, 2002 God, we just had this thread, didn't we?http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forums/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=forumtalkback&Number=77221&page=5&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&part=Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #6 February 1, 2002 Like you said ,,some will agree with ya and some wont. I agree with ya though. If someone approaches me and wants to talk skydiving I'll talk skydiving but I usaullly dont try to bring it up in a conversation unless provoked . If people want to know they'll ask. And yes it is sad that there are a lot of posers out there!! I think people who launch off a damn 10ft half pipe on a skateboard are crazy!!! Skydiving is cool and crazy but its not the craziest thing I ever saw!! All in all I agree with your statement. There is a fine line between sharing your knowledge and expereinace (no mattter how little) with the unknowing, and just flat out trying to show off or brag about the things we do! But then again you'll find that in any extremem sport !jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #7 February 1, 2002 QuoteYou may be fine with heights, but terrified of something else. No way dude, heights scare the crap out of me. Why do you think I started skydiving in the first place? The whuffo talk is mostly in good fun, but any sport has its insiders and outsiders. You think motorcycle racers don't make fun of squids?And some people, squids or certain whuffos, deserve to made fun of.It doesn't matter if a skydiver makes some remark about a whuffo. It's how we treat the people who are really interested in the sport, new students, that matters and I think the sport has a pretty good track record with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #8 February 1, 2002 I look forward to the weekends when I can go to the DZ and talk to poeple about skydiving with them enjoying the converstion instead of the "not this again" look on their face. Support the cause - do a skydive(r) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rendezvous 0 #9 February 1, 2002 my sentiments totally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sebazz1 2 #10 February 1, 2002 I think you are 100% right.............But.....I want to eat, breath, drink, sleep, skydiving...........My name is Sebastien and I have no life........On a certain days I can almost go without talking about jumping for like an hour?........Why did you land downwind? The winds were blowing the wrong way........Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #11 February 1, 2002 I love to skydive and yes, I enjoy bashing wuffos, but only on this site. I admit I'm probably boring in a conversation cuz all I do is talk about skydiving however, there is a reason behind my madness and that is to promote the sport. I talk about my experiences and hope to spark an interest in others. I mostly do this with good looking woman in hopes they'll join the sport and I can have BOOBIES at the DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #12 February 1, 2002 QuoteToo many times on this forum, I hear stuff about "I don't talk to people who don't skydive" or I bore my whuffo friends because I talk about skydiving all the time", or comments about if people don't skydive they're not worth talking to. We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.We're just a bunch of old men at the 19th hole making up stories about our golf day. I don't see the problem with that.QuoteThe martial arts guys started talking like a chinese fortune cookie and wearing those little kung fu slippers and bowing all the time (but never made it to class consistently) and the motorcycle guys who bought sportbikes then purchased expensive racing suits and modifications for their bikes but never attended track schools to hone their skills.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?QuoteNow let the flaming begin. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #13 February 2, 2002 Basically my whole world is skydiving - I work in the industry, I play at the dz and that's about all I do. Because of this I have very little in common with someone who doesn't jump. I'm cool with that; immersing myself in this world was my choice and I don't feel I'm missing anything by having done so. The few non-jumping friends that I have all know that pretty much my entire life revolves around skydiving, but I've been jumping long enough now (twelve years this coming Monday) that I can spend time with them without constantly talking about it. I've never really felt the need to dirt dive in public but then again, I don't often attend parties or go out in groups where the majority of people I'm hanging out with are not jumpers. I wear skydiving related t-shirts pretty much every day but I don't wear them to get attention, I wear them because they make up the bulk of my wardrobe. I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.As for the fear factor, I have nothing but respect for people who do any "dangerous" activities - skydiving, BASE jumping, motorcycle racing, surfing, skiing, SCUBA, caving, rock climbing, mountaineering, backpacking, skateboarding, whatever. The people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couch... those are the people I'm talking about when I dis whuffos.pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #14 February 2, 2002 CHEARS! I agree the forums are ment to let us kick back and blow smoke. Now it you continue the hazing in the everyday world then I believe you've go to far, but as for the DZ.com and wuffo bashing let the god times roll cuz thats what were here for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #15 February 2, 2002 QuoteIf someone approaches me and wants to talk skydiving I'll talk skydiving but I usaullly dont try to bring it up in a conversation unless provoked . If people want to know they'll ask Yeah this is generally how I am now. But I gotta admit, when I was starting out I just couldn't stop babbling about it, to everyone. It's a phase, you know? So I can kinda understand new skydivers who dirt dive at whuffo parties or something....I know it could be construed as being kinda dumb, but I can understand how that feels when you're starting out, so I say we gotta cut the new skydivers some slack here.I mean, as long as you don't go around rejecting or looking down on people (figuratively) who don't skydive.Speed Racer"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #16 February 2, 2002 QuoteThe people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couchWHAT????? You never heard of EXTREME COUCH POTATOING!! jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #17 February 2, 2002 We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.________________________Nothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?___________________________________It depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! _________________________________Not defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrose7 0 #18 February 2, 2002 I gotta say, being new, I am still in a talk, talk, talk phase. Now, in order to salvage any friendships I have--I come here to talk. I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jokes. In fact, I appreciate them (most) , because my day to day life deals with my friends mocking me about the fact that I love this so much. I know that may be annoying to some, but I think I will eventually get out of the stage and I have you all to thank for having fun and helpful conversations about skydiving that my friends would not want to hear...again. The mind is like a parachute--it works better when it is open. JUMP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #19 February 2, 2002 I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.___________________________________I do understand when people dedicate their lives to one thing. I think it's great. More power to you. However, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they do (or what their fears are), and talk only about skydiving (which you indicated that you don't do when talking to non skydiving friends), and seem to be doing things in public just to get attention. I plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump. If they are interested, and some have been, I will be glad to talk to them about it and invite them to come out. However if I notice them entering the state of MEGO (My eyes glaze over - an old sales term I learned long ago), I will shut up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #20 February 2, 2002 QuoteNothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.Heh, there's a LOT of stuff on these forums I find tiring. Oh well, too bad for me, I'm only one member of a huge community.QuoteIt depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. Yeah, I can give you this. I'm just wondering by whose standard we judge a poseur. I don't have time to jump much -- does that make ME a poseur?Anyway, TRUE poseurs are in a private hell of their own making. How sad to be so close to something, but still unable to really embrace it.QuoteNot defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line.I'm not laughing, I'm scowling! No wait, I'm laughing. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #21 February 2, 2002 Well played dude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chickenhawk420 0 #22 February 2, 2002 Well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #23 February 2, 2002 QuoteHowever, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they doI'm sorry, man, but I've been reading and posting to these forums for a while and I don't really think that that is a valid observation (of these forums at any rate). None of the whuffo-related humour here is malicious, it is just us having a laugh at their expense, the same as they do to us. For example, I once went for a job interview and when the interviewer saw skydiving on my CV - he started asking me about my *splat stat*. Gee, that was really funny...I agree with what was said elsewhere, skydiving isn't for everybody - but the people who I feel sorry for are the ones who have nothing in their lives to get passionate about. It doesn't matter what it is, it doesn't even have to be a sport - but I look at the crap that some people fill their lives with and find meaningful (TV, buying designer clothes, package holidays etc.) and I really feel sorry for them. BUT when those same people feel they have the right to condemn skydiving for whatever reason (crazy, stupid, suicidal etc. etc.) then I will tell them where to get off. I have 167 jumps, which is not much (and not likely to increase soon with the shite UK weather) but I have made a lot of sacrifices to pay for training, gear, jump tickets, transport etc. However this doesn't make me any different from just about any other fun jumper. So, given the sacrifices we make and the risks inherent in the sport we have chosen, exactly how should we react when some thick as fuck whuffo sees a skydiving T-shirt and makes a judgement call and smart arse comment about the wearer???As for :QuoteI plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump.I've got news for you - by the end of the year, it'll be them dumping you. Your weekend plans will be dictated by weather forecasts and on non-jumping weekends your social life will be dictated by your jumping budget. Anyway, that was just my $0,02/£0,01 worth! (not a flame, just how I feel)Will"Don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #24 February 2, 2002 *clap clap clap*Anyway, bill2, watch what happens when a living, breathing whuffo shows up in the forums. We treat them with a hell of a lot more respect than we show each other. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhawk 2 #25 February 3, 2002 we do???????(o)(o) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Sebazz1 2 #10 February 1, 2002 I think you are 100% right.............But.....I want to eat, breath, drink, sleep, skydiving...........My name is Sebastien and I have no life........On a certain days I can almost go without talking about jumping for like an hour?........Why did you land downwind? The winds were blowing the wrong way........Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #11 February 1, 2002 I love to skydive and yes, I enjoy bashing wuffos, but only on this site. I admit I'm probably boring in a conversation cuz all I do is talk about skydiving however, there is a reason behind my madness and that is to promote the sport. I talk about my experiences and hope to spark an interest in others. I mostly do this with good looking woman in hopes they'll join the sport and I can have BOOBIES at the DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #12 February 1, 2002 QuoteToo many times on this forum, I hear stuff about "I don't talk to people who don't skydive" or I bore my whuffo friends because I talk about skydiving all the time", or comments about if people don't skydive they're not worth talking to. We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.We're just a bunch of old men at the 19th hole making up stories about our golf day. I don't see the problem with that.QuoteThe martial arts guys started talking like a chinese fortune cookie and wearing those little kung fu slippers and bowing all the time (but never made it to class consistently) and the motorcycle guys who bought sportbikes then purchased expensive racing suits and modifications for their bikes but never attended track schools to hone their skills.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?QuoteNow let the flaming begin. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #13 February 2, 2002 Basically my whole world is skydiving - I work in the industry, I play at the dz and that's about all I do. Because of this I have very little in common with someone who doesn't jump. I'm cool with that; immersing myself in this world was my choice and I don't feel I'm missing anything by having done so. The few non-jumping friends that I have all know that pretty much my entire life revolves around skydiving, but I've been jumping long enough now (twelve years this coming Monday) that I can spend time with them without constantly talking about it. I've never really felt the need to dirt dive in public but then again, I don't often attend parties or go out in groups where the majority of people I'm hanging out with are not jumpers. I wear skydiving related t-shirts pretty much every day but I don't wear them to get attention, I wear them because they make up the bulk of my wardrobe. I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.As for the fear factor, I have nothing but respect for people who do any "dangerous" activities - skydiving, BASE jumping, motorcycle racing, surfing, skiing, SCUBA, caving, rock climbing, mountaineering, backpacking, skateboarding, whatever. The people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couch... those are the people I'm talking about when I dis whuffos.pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites homer 0 #14 February 2, 2002 CHEARS! I agree the forums are ment to let us kick back and blow smoke. Now it you continue the hazing in the everyday world then I believe you've go to far, but as for the DZ.com and wuffo bashing let the god times roll cuz thats what were here for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #15 February 2, 2002 QuoteIf someone approaches me and wants to talk skydiving I'll talk skydiving but I usaullly dont try to bring it up in a conversation unless provoked . If people want to know they'll ask Yeah this is generally how I am now. But I gotta admit, when I was starting out I just couldn't stop babbling about it, to everyone. It's a phase, you know? So I can kinda understand new skydivers who dirt dive at whuffo parties or something....I know it could be construed as being kinda dumb, but I can understand how that feels when you're starting out, so I say we gotta cut the new skydivers some slack here.I mean, as long as you don't go around rejecting or looking down on people (figuratively) who don't skydive.Speed Racer"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #16 February 2, 2002 QuoteThe people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couchWHAT????? You never heard of EXTREME COUCH POTATOING!! jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #17 February 2, 2002 We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.________________________Nothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?___________________________________It depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! _________________________________Not defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrose7 0 #18 February 2, 2002 I gotta say, being new, I am still in a talk, talk, talk phase. Now, in order to salvage any friendships I have--I come here to talk. I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jokes. In fact, I appreciate them (most) , because my day to day life deals with my friends mocking me about the fact that I love this so much. I know that may be annoying to some, but I think I will eventually get out of the stage and I have you all to thank for having fun and helpful conversations about skydiving that my friends would not want to hear...again. The mind is like a parachute--it works better when it is open. JUMP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #19 February 2, 2002 I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.___________________________________I do understand when people dedicate their lives to one thing. I think it's great. More power to you. However, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they do (or what their fears are), and talk only about skydiving (which you indicated that you don't do when talking to non skydiving friends), and seem to be doing things in public just to get attention. I plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump. If they are interested, and some have been, I will be glad to talk to them about it and invite them to come out. However if I notice them entering the state of MEGO (My eyes glaze over - an old sales term I learned long ago), I will shut up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #20 February 2, 2002 QuoteNothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.Heh, there's a LOT of stuff on these forums I find tiring. Oh well, too bad for me, I'm only one member of a huge community.QuoteIt depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. Yeah, I can give you this. I'm just wondering by whose standard we judge a poseur. I don't have time to jump much -- does that make ME a poseur?Anyway, TRUE poseurs are in a private hell of their own making. How sad to be so close to something, but still unable to really embrace it.QuoteNot defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line.I'm not laughing, I'm scowling! No wait, I'm laughing. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #21 February 2, 2002 Well played dude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chickenhawk420 0 #22 February 2, 2002 Well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #23 February 2, 2002 QuoteHowever, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they doI'm sorry, man, but I've been reading and posting to these forums for a while and I don't really think that that is a valid observation (of these forums at any rate). None of the whuffo-related humour here is malicious, it is just us having a laugh at their expense, the same as they do to us. For example, I once went for a job interview and when the interviewer saw skydiving on my CV - he started asking me about my *splat stat*. Gee, that was really funny...I agree with what was said elsewhere, skydiving isn't for everybody - but the people who I feel sorry for are the ones who have nothing in their lives to get passionate about. It doesn't matter what it is, it doesn't even have to be a sport - but I look at the crap that some people fill their lives with and find meaningful (TV, buying designer clothes, package holidays etc.) and I really feel sorry for them. BUT when those same people feel they have the right to condemn skydiving for whatever reason (crazy, stupid, suicidal etc. etc.) then I will tell them where to get off. I have 167 jumps, which is not much (and not likely to increase soon with the shite UK weather) but I have made a lot of sacrifices to pay for training, gear, jump tickets, transport etc. However this doesn't make me any different from just about any other fun jumper. So, given the sacrifices we make and the risks inherent in the sport we have chosen, exactly how should we react when some thick as fuck whuffo sees a skydiving T-shirt and makes a judgement call and smart arse comment about the wearer???As for :QuoteI plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump.I've got news for you - by the end of the year, it'll be them dumping you. Your weekend plans will be dictated by weather forecasts and on non-jumping weekends your social life will be dictated by your jumping budget. Anyway, that was just my $0,02/£0,01 worth! (not a flame, just how I feel)Will"Don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #24 February 2, 2002 *clap clap clap*Anyway, bill2, watch what happens when a living, breathing whuffo shows up in the forums. We treat them with a hell of a lot more respect than we show each other. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhawk 2 #25 February 3, 2002 we do???????(o)(o) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Jessica 0 #12 February 1, 2002 QuoteToo many times on this forum, I hear stuff about "I don't talk to people who don't skydive" or I bore my whuffo friends because I talk about skydiving all the time", or comments about if people don't skydive they're not worth talking to. We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.We're just a bunch of old men at the 19th hole making up stories about our golf day. I don't see the problem with that.QuoteThe martial arts guys started talking like a chinese fortune cookie and wearing those little kung fu slippers and bowing all the time (but never made it to class consistently) and the motorcycle guys who bought sportbikes then purchased expensive racing suits and modifications for their bikes but never attended track schools to hone their skills.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?QuoteNow let the flaming begin. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #13 February 2, 2002 Basically my whole world is skydiving - I work in the industry, I play at the dz and that's about all I do. Because of this I have very little in common with someone who doesn't jump. I'm cool with that; immersing myself in this world was my choice and I don't feel I'm missing anything by having done so. The few non-jumping friends that I have all know that pretty much my entire life revolves around skydiving, but I've been jumping long enough now (twelve years this coming Monday) that I can spend time with them without constantly talking about it. I've never really felt the need to dirt dive in public but then again, I don't often attend parties or go out in groups where the majority of people I'm hanging out with are not jumpers. I wear skydiving related t-shirts pretty much every day but I don't wear them to get attention, I wear them because they make up the bulk of my wardrobe. I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.As for the fear factor, I have nothing but respect for people who do any "dangerous" activities - skydiving, BASE jumping, motorcycle racing, surfing, skiing, SCUBA, caving, rock climbing, mountaineering, backpacking, skateboarding, whatever. The people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couch... those are the people I'm talking about when I dis whuffos.pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
homer 0 #14 February 2, 2002 CHEARS! I agree the forums are ment to let us kick back and blow smoke. Now it you continue the hazing in the everyday world then I believe you've go to far, but as for the DZ.com and wuffo bashing let the god times roll cuz thats what were here for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #15 February 2, 2002 QuoteIf someone approaches me and wants to talk skydiving I'll talk skydiving but I usaullly dont try to bring it up in a conversation unless provoked . If people want to know they'll ask Yeah this is generally how I am now. But I gotta admit, when I was starting out I just couldn't stop babbling about it, to everyone. It's a phase, you know? So I can kinda understand new skydivers who dirt dive at whuffo parties or something....I know it could be construed as being kinda dumb, but I can understand how that feels when you're starting out, so I say we gotta cut the new skydivers some slack here.I mean, as long as you don't go around rejecting or looking down on people (figuratively) who don't skydive.Speed Racer"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #16 February 2, 2002 QuoteThe people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couchWHAT????? You never heard of EXTREME COUCH POTATOING!! jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #17 February 2, 2002 We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.________________________Nothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?___________________________________It depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! _________________________________Not defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrose7 0 #18 February 2, 2002 I gotta say, being new, I am still in a talk, talk, talk phase. Now, in order to salvage any friendships I have--I come here to talk. I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jokes. In fact, I appreciate them (most) , because my day to day life deals with my friends mocking me about the fact that I love this so much. I know that may be annoying to some, but I think I will eventually get out of the stage and I have you all to thank for having fun and helpful conversations about skydiving that my friends would not want to hear...again. The mind is like a parachute--it works better when it is open. JUMP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bill2 0 #19 February 2, 2002 I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.___________________________________I do understand when people dedicate their lives to one thing. I think it's great. More power to you. However, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they do (or what their fears are), and talk only about skydiving (which you indicated that you don't do when talking to non skydiving friends), and seem to be doing things in public just to get attention. I plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump. If they are interested, and some have been, I will be glad to talk to them about it and invite them to come out. However if I notice them entering the state of MEGO (My eyes glaze over - an old sales term I learned long ago), I will shut up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jessica 0 #20 February 2, 2002 QuoteNothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.Heh, there's a LOT of stuff on these forums I find tiring. Oh well, too bad for me, I'm only one member of a huge community.QuoteIt depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. Yeah, I can give you this. I'm just wondering by whose standard we judge a poseur. I don't have time to jump much -- does that make ME a poseur?Anyway, TRUE poseurs are in a private hell of their own making. How sad to be so close to something, but still unable to really embrace it.QuoteNot defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line.I'm not laughing, I'm scowling! No wait, I'm laughing. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #21 February 2, 2002 Well played dude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chickenhawk420 0 #22 February 2, 2002 Well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skreamer 1 #23 February 2, 2002 QuoteHowever, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they doI'm sorry, man, but I've been reading and posting to these forums for a while and I don't really think that that is a valid observation (of these forums at any rate). None of the whuffo-related humour here is malicious, it is just us having a laugh at their expense, the same as they do to us. For example, I once went for a job interview and when the interviewer saw skydiving on my CV - he started asking me about my *splat stat*. Gee, that was really funny...I agree with what was said elsewhere, skydiving isn't for everybody - but the people who I feel sorry for are the ones who have nothing in their lives to get passionate about. It doesn't matter what it is, it doesn't even have to be a sport - but I look at the crap that some people fill their lives with and find meaningful (TV, buying designer clothes, package holidays etc.) and I really feel sorry for them. BUT when those same people feel they have the right to condemn skydiving for whatever reason (crazy, stupid, suicidal etc. etc.) then I will tell them where to get off. I have 167 jumps, which is not much (and not likely to increase soon with the shite UK weather) but I have made a lot of sacrifices to pay for training, gear, jump tickets, transport etc. However this doesn't make me any different from just about any other fun jumper. So, given the sacrifices we make and the risks inherent in the sport we have chosen, exactly how should we react when some thick as fuck whuffo sees a skydiving T-shirt and makes a judgement call and smart arse comment about the wearer???As for :QuoteI plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump.I've got news for you - by the end of the year, it'll be them dumping you. Your weekend plans will be dictated by weather forecasts and on non-jumping weekends your social life will be dictated by your jumping budget. Anyway, that was just my $0,02/£0,01 worth! 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SpeedRacer 1 #15 February 2, 2002 QuoteIf someone approaches me and wants to talk skydiving I'll talk skydiving but I usaullly dont try to bring it up in a conversation unless provoked . If people want to know they'll ask Yeah this is generally how I am now. But I gotta admit, when I was starting out I just couldn't stop babbling about it, to everyone. It's a phase, you know? So I can kinda understand new skydivers who dirt dive at whuffo parties or something....I know it could be construed as being kinda dumb, but I can understand how that feels when you're starting out, so I say we gotta cut the new skydivers some slack here.I mean, as long as you don't go around rejecting or looking down on people (figuratively) who don't skydive.Speed Racer"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #16 February 2, 2002 QuoteThe people I don't respect are those who live their lives on the couchWHAT????? You never heard of EXTREME COUCH POTATOING!! jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bill2 0 #17 February 2, 2002 We're skydivers. We exaggerate.It's starting to irritate me that, on a SKYDIVING forum, we can't kick back and pretend to be superior. I'm pretty sure most of us are aware we're not, in fact, better.But we do have this pretty amazing thing in common, this thing that those who haven't done it don't understand, and it's just out-and-out frustrating to spend most of your time in a world where your favorite hobby is looked at as, at best, an eccentricity. Coming here is a relief, and yeah, we're gonna talk trash.________________________Nothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.I think it's just as bad to judge someone's level of involvement as it is to make fun of whuffos. People do what they can do, whether it's time, money, or fear holding them back, and who is anyone else to put them down for that?___________________________________It depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. I just disagree with you. It's not a flame. Defensive!! _________________________________Not defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrose7 0 #18 February 2, 2002 I gotta say, being new, I am still in a talk, talk, talk phase. Now, in order to salvage any friendships I have--I come here to talk. I don't think that there is anything wrong with the jokes. In fact, I appreciate them (most) , because my day to day life deals with my friends mocking me about the fact that I love this so much. I know that may be annoying to some, but I think I will eventually get out of the stage and I have you all to thank for having fun and helpful conversations about skydiving that my friends would not want to hear...again. The mind is like a parachute--it works better when it is open. JUMP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bill2 0 #19 February 2, 2002 I'm happy for you that there is more to your life than skydiving, but I would ask that you understand that some of us have no other interests in life and that's the way we want it. While there are many things I'd be interested in doing, personally I can only afford to do one thing other than working... my choice is jumping out of airplanes.___________________________________I do understand when people dedicate their lives to one thing. I think it's great. More power to you. However, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they do (or what their fears are), and talk only about skydiving (which you indicated that you don't do when talking to non skydiving friends), and seem to be doing things in public just to get attention. I plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump. If they are interested, and some have been, I will be glad to talk to them about it and invite them to come out. However if I notice them entering the state of MEGO (My eyes glaze over - an old sales term I learned long ago), I will shut up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #20 February 2, 2002 QuoteNothing wrong with talking trash once in awhile, but I do think it get's tiring with the same old "we're better than everyone else who doesn't skydive" attitude.Heh, there's a LOT of stuff on these forums I find tiring. Oh well, too bad for me, I'm only one member of a huge community.QuoteIt depends on their motivation. If they're giving it their best shot, and not doing well that's ok. I am criticizing poseurs, those talk it and don't walk the walk. Yeah, I can give you this. I'm just wondering by whose standard we judge a poseur. I don't have time to jump much -- does that make ME a poseur?Anyway, TRUE poseurs are in a private hell of their own making. How sad to be so close to something, but still unable to really embrace it.QuoteNot defensive, just ready for anything. I was laughing as I wrote that line.I'm not laughing, I'm scowling! No wait, I'm laughing. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #21 February 2, 2002 Well played dude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chickenhawk420 0 #22 February 2, 2002 Well said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #23 February 2, 2002 QuoteHowever, my post was not about that, it was about people who dis whuffos all the time no matter what they doI'm sorry, man, but I've been reading and posting to these forums for a while and I don't really think that that is a valid observation (of these forums at any rate). None of the whuffo-related humour here is malicious, it is just us having a laugh at their expense, the same as they do to us. For example, I once went for a job interview and when the interviewer saw skydiving on my CV - he started asking me about my *splat stat*. Gee, that was really funny...I agree with what was said elsewhere, skydiving isn't for everybody - but the people who I feel sorry for are the ones who have nothing in their lives to get passionate about. It doesn't matter what it is, it doesn't even have to be a sport - but I look at the crap that some people fill their lives with and find meaningful (TV, buying designer clothes, package holidays etc.) and I really feel sorry for them. BUT when those same people feel they have the right to condemn skydiving for whatever reason (crazy, stupid, suicidal etc. etc.) then I will tell them where to get off. I have 167 jumps, which is not much (and not likely to increase soon with the shite UK weather) but I have made a lot of sacrifices to pay for training, gear, jump tickets, transport etc. However this doesn't make me any different from just about any other fun jumper. So, given the sacrifices we make and the risks inherent in the sport we have chosen, exactly how should we react when some thick as fuck whuffo sees a skydiving T-shirt and makes a judgement call and smart arse comment about the wearer???As for :QuoteI plan on jumping as much as I possibly can this year, but I won't dump friends who don't jump.I've got news for you - by the end of the year, it'll be them dumping you. Your weekend plans will be dictated by weather forecasts and on non-jumping weekends your social life will be dictated by your jumping budget. Anyway, that was just my $0,02/£0,01 worth! (not a flame, just how I feel)Will"Don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #24 February 2, 2002 *clap clap clap*Anyway, bill2, watch what happens when a living, breathing whuffo shows up in the forums. We treat them with a hell of a lot more respect than we show each other. Pet me! I'm harmless and cute! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #25 February 3, 2002 we do???????(o)(o) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
