FallinWoman 1 #26 February 12, 2002 Quote69 jump wonderuummmm....69......(oh, you know you were thinking it!!!!)Anne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #27 February 12, 2002 and who said skydivers where crude lol(o)(o) i got a iq of 189 so there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #28 February 12, 2002 QuoteWhat makes you think the people who said/wrote whatever you studied know what the hell they're talking about?So then, who do I trust Lisa? My last instructor who taught me to keep two stable mains or the new one that told me to cut away from it?Does Bo not know what the hell he was talking about or Donna?QuoteOr does your 17 jumps in two years give you the experience to be able to tell who knows something and who doesn't?Will 100 jumps or 1000 jumps? I don't need that knowledge then, I need it now. I don't base that knowledge on the guy or girl standing in front of me at the current moment because they're the local skygod, I base it off the opinions of people I've come to trust based on past relations.You wanna teach the low timers to not form thier own opinions, that's fine. I'm not about to try to start a revolution of divers burning their log books. But I sure as hell won't always do what a high timer says just because they "know" more than me.My last jump didn't have to be a tandem, my instructor said I was clear for AFP. But I handle my own safety and that required the tandem for reasons of my own.I would never fully trust my instructors. The student program of 3 DZs has taught me that the only person that can really look out for my ass is me.And I don't have the luxery of waiting to be some 200 jump wonder to start being safe in this sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #29 February 12, 2002 QuoteI would never fully trust my instructorsWOW...thats a huge statement in my eyes...I mean you do what you gotta do ..but for me I had the same instructor the whole time and maybe I was nieve but Honestly trusted him with my life. I mean I knew things could/can go wrong but I trusted he would do everything in his power to get me to the ground safltly if something went wrong. Now did I trust he could do anything to save me...no.. but I trusted he would do everything he could!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #30 February 12, 2002 QuoteYou are one of those students who thinks they know everything and have everything figured out. That's right, of course I am. That's why I rode the plane down on my first 15 second delay when it was pitch black night outside and I couldn't see my altimeter anymore. That's why I was pleasantly suprised to pick up several new things during my last FJC I never got in my previous ones.Because I know everything and am not interested in learning anything new.The above must be true because otherwise we'd be putting students out at dropzones not teaching basic skills like PLFs, or reserve pulls, and that would be unthinkable, wouldn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #31 February 12, 2002 Dude you're pissin me off! It is impossible to cover everything in an FJC. All those things you mentioned though, we teach. And the DZ I started at teaches all that too. And all the students that have come to our DZ from others have demonstrated they have been taught the same. It would appear to me that maybe your falling asleep during parts of the FJC. Or maybe you only process what you want to hear. As for thinking your JM knows all? Hell no! I tell all my students to rely on me as much as they should rely on thier AAD or RSL. Take care of yourself. Your JM though has gone through training on how to teach and have had more situations occur to them through EXPERIENCE! I would trust em. Nough said! Maybe you should start training the FJC. How about it everyone MarkM or an AFF-I ? Can someone please hijack this thread with some boobiesSeb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #32 February 12, 2002 Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Boobies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #34 February 12, 2002 Oh, that wasn't very mature, was it? *hanging head*Boobies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #35 February 12, 2002 Thanks, alright gimme a beer...........This is fun!Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #36 February 12, 2002 Jessica,QuoteOh, that wasn't very mature, was it? *hanging head*I kinda' liked it...Tee-hee...TripleFBOOBIES, BOOBIES, BOOBIES, BOOBIES...(Whoops, I said it again...Tee-hee...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #37 February 12, 2002 mayby the will settle the argument if you posted some jessica lol(o)(o) i got a iq of 189 so there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #38 February 12, 2002 It's really late....*shrug*I'm a tad loopy.Perhaps it's cause of all the boobies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #39 February 12, 2002 im just thinking of other here of course :)(o)(o) i got a iq of 189 so there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #40 February 12, 2002 Hi Sweetie,QuoteI'm a tad loopy.So...what's new, dear??? (snicker-snicker) (Whoops, did I say that out loud??)TripleFBOOBIES, BOOBIES, BOOBIES, BOOBIES...(Whoops, I said it again...Tee-hee...) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #41 February 12, 2002 QuoteCan someone please hijack this thread with some boobiesHappy to oblige!http://www.funinbc.com/skydive/img/skynak7.jpgICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com Yahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #42 February 12, 2002 roflmao(o)(o) i got a iq of 189 so there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #43 February 12, 2002 You're mis-reading a lot of my statements. Every single instructor I've dealt with has been extremely professional. But every DZ has different priorities, different things get taught at different DZs.My first one didn't focus on reserve pulls like most DZs for reasons of their own. It was a safer DZ in some ways to my second one, where the instructor there spent 30 minutes going through reserve pulls with me. My issue isn't with that.You have 6 hours to prep someone to be thrown out of a plane. Some things get glossed over. Totally understand.It's the "Or does your 17 jumps" attitude that pisses me off.QuoteHow about it everyone MarkM or an AFF-I ? On my jump, MarkM is responsible for his safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #44 February 12, 2002 Amen!! I bet you'll do just fineBTW is the tandem master in that pick naked also? I guess the jokes about that fifth attachment point are no joke...Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #45 February 12, 2002 QuoteHappy to oblige!http://www.funinbc.com/skydive/img/skynak7.jpgMOM???????????jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #46 February 12, 2002 The thing is, though MarkM, if you're in the air with me, you can effect my life directly, so the me and only me atitude is great and all, but not appreciated. Infact its usually looked down upon and semi-feared, since you'll be considered unsafe with that attitude. No matter how safe you actually are.There's a couple really great people out there that I refuse to jump with because I fear for my safety when I jump with them. Am I some sort of authority in the sport? Hell no, I've got 93 jumps and have done some fairly stupid things myself (pumpkin?), but attitude goes a long way there. An open mind and a willingness to listen to other people about their thoughts on things will help greatly. Do you have to agree? No but you'll atleast hear some other opinions and get some ideas why people do what they do in the sport.I do not know you personally, so I can't make any sort of judgement, but understand that a lot of the people that have been posting are very experienced jumpers and know exactly what the fuck when it comes to the sport. You've been basically the equivelent of a newly licensed 16 year old driver who's read his driving handbook trying to tell Mario Andredi how his driving is flawed.So, relax man, yes form your own opinions, but don't blindly fall into the trap of the idea that everyone else is wrong because the ideals don't fit your own.Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #47 February 12, 2002 QuoteThe thing is, though MarkM, if you're in the air with me, you can effect my life directly, so the me and only me atitude is great and all, but not appreciated.I don't see where you think I have a me and only me attitude. I'll exit with 1 instructor next jump and I'm fine with that, sorta chose the program I'm on in part because of that. But if she/he said "Mark, I want 2 instructors with you this jump" I'd be fine with that.Don't really feel I'll need the radio on the canopy ride down, but I'll probably be on it because I'm sure the instructor will want to make sure I have it down and control my landing. I'm fine with that too, following commands on the way down isn't gonna kill me and maybe the way I used to do it was wrong.Sebazz's AFF program probably has students on BOC ripcord. I specifically chose my current DZ because students use toss out. I don't use BOC toss out because I think the ripcord is wrong, I just felt it was wrong for me so long as the toss out was considered safe for student use. If no DZ felt it was safe, or Sebazz was doing my AFF(God help the man) I'd be using the ripcord because he would require it for my safety. I don't know jack about packing a chute. My ability to land a canopy sucks, my flaring is really bad. I don't know most basic freefall skills, and my instructors are having to kick some bad arching habits of mine I learned from doing hanging exits off of struts.But I also don't assume the 1000 jump guy is any smarter than the 100 jump one, just because he has 900 more jumps and teaching new jumpers that high jumps = all knowing isn't one of the healthier aspects of this sport in my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #48 February 12, 2002 QuoteBut I also don't assume the 1000 jump guy is any smarter than the 100 jump one, just because he has 900 more jumps and teaching new jumpers that high jumps = all knowing isn't one of the healthier aspects of this sport in my opinion.No one is saying that instructors or jumpers with how ever many jumps are all knowing - no one knows everything there is to know about skydiving. What we're saying is there is a reason for the way most first jump courses are taught and there are reasons for the things that are taught to first jumpers. And yes, generally someone with 1000 jumps does know more about skydiving than does someone with 20 jumps. Does that make the person with 1000 jumps better than the person with 20? No. But it does mean that the person with 20 jumps could probably learn something from the person with 1000 if he/she would open his/her mind and really listen. Discussion and asking questions is a part of listening, btw. pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #49 February 12, 2002 I am in no way shape or form really qualified to say anythign on this subject, but still want to throw my $0.02 in. I can hardly call myself a skydiver, but have noticed that for every skydiver there are about 6 different opinions on any given subject. That can certainly lead to interesting discussion that we all in the end learn from.We can gain knowledge from reading these formus, reading books, watching videos etc etc. But you can only gain experience from actualy doing it. Someone with more jumps has therefor in all likelihood experienced soo much more than someone with less jumps.I agree with Lisa, this is not a safe sport, no matter how carefull you are, you can get seriously injured or killed. Learning is not taking for granted anything and everything you are told. It is gaining the knowledge that allows you to experience......SkyDekker"We cannot do great things, only small things with great love" Mother Theresa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff 0 #50 February 12, 2002 Quotemultiple posts on here and on personal pages advetising the perfect starter gearThe BPA magazine won't accept gear classifieds which state or imply a purpose for the gear. Phrases like "Ideal starter kit", or "would suit lighter jumper" are not allowed. You simply have to state what the gear is (Sabre 210, VX79, whatever) and let the purchaser decide if it suits their purpose. Seems like a good policy to me.Geoff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
