Carbonezone - Farwell to Texas Party

[rhino 0]

I thought jumpers were considered cargo???
Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!!

[ellenrose 0]

First to Scottie and Tammy. You guys made our trip down from MN a lot of fun this new years and it was great to meet you both. Why you are leaving is your own business, but I send my love and best wishes.
As the apparent skydiver AND A&P, I will speak about something that caught my attention. It was said that it was legal for someone to perform maintenence under supervision and then that was countered by the comment that there wasn't any other A&P around. I don't pretent to know all the details about this, but I know there's more to this than what is being said. ANY pilot's liscence allows a pilot to perform a wide range of maintenence. As a journalism major I also know that facts and pseudo- facts can be used in whatever way by a committed person. They can be used to back up any slant, and make no mistake, there is a slant going on here, maybe more then one. Our DZO works on his planes. If someone had issues with him, they could easily come to a place like this and say that he is perfoming illegal maintenence on the planes. But I know that he has a lot of knowledge about planes, a commercial pilot's liscence, and a program worked out with his maintenence facility, ME and others, to work in conjunction. As for the jumper who got hurt, again, I don't know all the details. But I know the most important one, they are responsible for themselves. Sure we can look out for each other, but it's about personal choices and taking responsibility for those. If I ended up hurt or killed, it's my own fault. At pull/flare time, I'm on my own and so are we all. That sucks and might be hard to swallow, but it's about personal responsibility. The other issues, I don't have enough info to comment. But if a jumper feels the need to "Stand up for other jumpers" I want to know why they're doing it here? If it's that big of a safety issue that you would bring it up publicly, why would you post these concerns here to people without the power to change it? If you feel it's a true safety issue, let the USPA or the FAA know about it. That's also about personal responsibility. If you want to make those claims and you really feel they are true, back them up or let them go.

[Hooknswoop 19]

The mechanic in question is not an A & P or pilot of any sort. I never said anything about a jumper being injured. I let the USPA know about it. I was told there was nothing they could do. Next step is the FAA. I did not want to do that. Involving the FAA will affect the percieved ability to police ourselves. I am sure my comments have reached the DZ in question. It is very possible that with these comments being made public, that things will change. If I do nothing, what does that make me?
Hook
Hook

[rgoper 0]

**As for the jumper who got hurt, again, I don't know all the details. But I know the most important one, they are responsible for themselves.**
The Jumper in Question Was Not Licensed To Fly Camera, With The Full Knowledge Of Others, my question again, was he put in a position he should not have been to begin with?? But Ultimately, this jumper was/is responsable for his own safety. The Same Way With The Cessna Pilot, No Liscense, See A Pattern Here Yet?
Richard
"Gravity Is Mt Friend"
Stop Bashing Hook For Standing Up For What's Right, it May Be Your Life That May Be Saved....You never Know.

[lazerq3 0]

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The Jumper in Question Was Not Licensed To Fly Camera

well technically you dont need a licence to fly a camera. If you want you could put one on your head at 25 jumps go to a big DZ and whos going to know. But you are right in that it is the jumpers responcibilty to know when to say when!!!
jason

[rgoper 0]

to fly one for shits and giggles, you are correct, but to be qualified to fly around tandems is another story, if i'm not mistaken, it requires a master's d. i could be wrong...
Richard
"Gravity Is My Friend"

[Zennie 0]

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to fly one for shits and giggles, you are correct, but to be qualified to fly around tandems is another story, if i'm not mistaken, it requires a master's d. i could be wrong...

I'm not aware of any formal rules for flying camera. Most of the D/200 jump criteria you see are for safety purposes. In any event, the jumper had like 400-odd jumps when he hooked in.
I honestly don't see this incident as being even remotely the DZ's fault.
"Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense."

[rgoper 0]

**In any event, the jumper had like 400-odd jumps when he hooked in.**
this jumper and myself had started jumping at the same time, i'd take a look at his log book, 400-odd jumps, anghttt....wrong answer.
Richard
"Gravity Is My Friend"

[Hooknswoop 19]

"I honestly don't see this incident as being even remotely the DZ's fault. "
Either do I.
Hook

[rgoper 0]

**But Ultimately, this jumper was/is responsable for his own safety.**
i never said the dz was at fault for this accident, see above text taken from one of my posts. i've questioned his ability to perform such services, and his being allowed to. i know he had been admonished on a previous occasion for a drogue incident while filming a tandem. but again, ultimately we are all responsable for our own safety, as well as the safety of others in the air with us, not legally, but ethically.
Richard
"Gravity Is My Friend"

[Levin 0]

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The Jumper in Question Was Not Licensed To Fly Camera, With The Full Knowledge Of Others, my question again, was he put in a position he should not have been to begin with?? But Ultimately, this jumper was/is responsable for his own safety. The Same Way With The Cessna Pilot, No Liscense, See A Pattern Here Yet?

I'm wasn't aware that there was a licensing system for camera flyers. what does anything on this thread have to do with camera flying? this jumper had a mishap under canopy. his accident has nothing to do with cameras. nothing. what do you mean by "was he put in a position he should not have been to begin with??"? are you implying that the DZO put a gun to his head and made him jump with cameras? or, since this is canopy accident are you implying that the DZO made him do a hook turn? also what do you know about their pilots? and what are you trying to imply by "See A Pattern Here Yet?"?
well i just checked and it's been over six months since you've been to spaceland. now my question is, if you haven't been there then how can you possibly know what the hell you are talking about? now derrick may or may not have a legitimate rant. but he has room to rant because he knows steve and he worked there almost since day 1. you on the other hand are going on here say and trying to discredit a credible dz for your own personal reasons. or in other words dz bashing. which is especially uncool to do on a public forum when you have nothing more than here say to back your story.

[Levin 0]

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to fly one for shits and giggles, you are correct, but to be qualified to fly around tandems is another story, if i'm not mistaken, it requires a master's d. i could be wrong...

you are wrong

[TequilaGirl 0]

Levin - be nice...........How are you doing????? I have missed seeing you in Dallas......

[Levin 0]

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i never said the dz was at fault for this accident, see above text taken from one of my posts.

no but you implied it. which is basically a cowards way of blaming someone. remember "See a Pattern Yet??" or "Was he put in a position that he should not have been?" or how about no pilot's license or no camera license.
what's your real motivation here? getting at steve for nothing he did to you or kissing derrick's ass? just curious

[scottbre 0]

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which is basically a cowards way of blaming someone

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or kissing derrick's ass?

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[Slappie 9]

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kissing derrick's ass?

Very interesting.... Things that make you wanna go "hmmmmmmmm" I wonder if skycat knows about this?
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[freeflir29 0]

"kissing derrick's ass?":
EEEEEWWWWWWW.....
"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay

[skycat 0]

they can kiss his ass all they want, I get to kiss the good parts.

[Slappie 9]

That was just gross!! TMI ya ask me!
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[TequilaGirl 0]

Remember when we used to grab his ass on the plane - just to make him blush.......Pookie Bear is so cute.......

[freeflir29 0]

"I get to kiss the good parts."
Got Video?
PS...Good job on post hijacking everyone!!!!
"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay

[skycat 0]

Well you asked now didn't you.
And Levin, you know Derek.....he would never stand there and just let some one kiss him in the butt, he would probably shoot them if they tried.

[freeflir29 0]

"he would probably shoot them if they tried."
Even if they took him to dinner and got a couple drinks down him first?
"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay

[skycat 0]

how could I forget....he flew up to me under canopy and kicked my endcell just to scare me. Up until then I never thought a 60 could float with a 135. Damn Pookie Bear showing off.

[skycat 0]

Well maybe.....It would really depend on the wine they got him, he is a wine snob from Napa Valley. Buy him boones get shot, buy him something good (Can you tell I don't buy him wine) and you may survive the ass kicking..oops I mean kissing.