PhreeZone 20 #26 February 22, 2002 Bahahaha...... those programs are a joke.... just learn to not go to those sites and do some basic editing of your TCPchains and possibly through up a dymanic proxy firefall and your set for the majority of the stuff.And in terms of spyware.... there is nothing prebuilt in to the major OS's that is spyware, everything is installed by the user. Just more proof that the average computer user will install anything as long as it has a cute name.Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #27 February 22, 2002 It might not have been AOL.. Spyware sends keystrokes also.. it's possible.Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #28 February 22, 2002 funny again.. but again inaccurate...Spyware can be attached to any little cute .exe that a friend sends you.. IT is very easy for spyware to be installed on your machine. Even neat little tcpip chain edits won't stop it.RhinoBlue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #29 February 22, 2002 Right... but you can lock the data from going out with a good chain edit Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #30 February 22, 2002 True... How many people on here know how to do a chain edit?Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #31 February 22, 2002 Maybe you should be asking how many even know what it is? When giving advice of this nature, those of us in the industry must remember that not everyone is an engineer. Think of it as writing a techinical doc for your Sr. VP, ok yes my last one was very technical, but the one before that didn't know a T-1 from a hole in the ground. Most people just get online and are users, not all of them have been hacking systems since 92. If I would walk up to the majority of my skydiving friends and say, well you have a cable modem (or DSL) how come you haven't set up some kind of personal firewall. The answer will be..."Fire what???" Then after I spend an hour explaining it, the next thing will be..."Will you set me up one of those fire thingies?" Oh and depending on the person they may also ask if it comes with a matching squishy ball.So bascially when you give advice to the masses remember you need to tone it down to advice that your average enduser would understand and be able to use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #32 February 22, 2002 Did you say Fire Wire? I need one. ooopps wrong thread.......lol........I got spring fever.........I can't come in today..............Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #33 February 22, 2002 I'm an engineer and still don't know what the hell y'all are talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #34 February 22, 2002 It's actually pretty tough to stop outgoing connections with ipchains. I can shutdown all outbound connections to any port that I don't plan on connecting to, but some programs connect on port 80 (http) to send back their data. Of course, this all assumes that you are using linux or a linux firewall/router. If you have Windows, Zone Alarm works pretty good because you can block any network traffic from programs that you haven't specifically approved.As for Rhino's comments: The software is Ad-Aware, not Adware. Spyware isn't attached to just any .exe file. Spyware is attached to legitimate software and is mentioned in the EULA . If you read Morpheus' license agreement closely, you will see that you are allowing them and certain third-party companies to collect data on you. Using software to block the spyware actually violates the license agreement, so if you do block the spyware, you are illegally running Morpheus (or any other software with similar licensing). "Spyware" attached to exe files are more properly called trojans and they allow unauthorized access to your computer. BackOrifice used to be a popular trojan "back in the day" and I still see it in my users antivirus logs on occasion. There are tons of other ones out there, including mutations of the old ones to get past antivirus software, and original work coming out everyday. The best way to protect yourself from these is to install something like Zone Alarm as well as a good antivirus package, and to update your virus definitions as often as possible.--BrianHomepageAIM: suprmath Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #35 February 22, 2002 Were you writing that one to me or just in general?.. My explanation was simple.. Download this program and don't sweat the small stuff.. I am despreately attempting to keep it simple.. Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #36 February 22, 2002 You know, there's some shareware that's been out for a while and is basically a kick-ass security package for the average internet user. It's called Zone Alarm, try looking at that..."I'll take Famous Titties for 400..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #37 February 22, 2002 Sorry, in general, you just happened to be the last person to post.It was Phree talking over everyone's head Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #38 February 22, 2002 whatever you wanna call it aware spy stuff???Can be attached to ANY executable file without you knowing it. It can be a part of the install package of many programs downloaded on the net without you knowing it. It can be hacked into your machine without you knowing it. I was making an example. My example was correct believe me. It is possible there are many good programs out there that can be used for removing hack-a-ware.. The one I suggested is trusted and pretty well known to the industry. As long as people are made aware of what their options are we have done out part.Blue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #39 February 22, 2002 LOLBlue Skies and Smooth Rides!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #40 February 22, 2002 I was just trying to point out that spyware (not trojans, let's get out definitions on the same page) is legit because when the software that the user is installing asks them to agree to the licensing terms they just click "Accept" instead of reading it. I can't feel sorry for somebody who agrees to what basically amounts to a contract without reading it first. Trojans are different; they are installed without the users knowledge and are illegal. Zone Alarm or a similar product combined with a good antivirus package will work wonders for stopping those.--BrianHomepageAIM: suprmath Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #41 February 22, 2002 QuoteTrojans are different; they are installed without the users knowledge and are illegal. I tried to tell a chick that once, I almost got hit... "I'll take Famous Titties for 400..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #42 February 22, 2002 Sorry about that... I've been stuck with Top level Cisco and Unix people for the last 2 years and I'm just used to being the dumbest link out of everyone with a computer. While studing for my CISSP, I've realized just how little I know and try and confirm everthing I've learn off anyone with computer skills. I should have thought about the non-CIS people reading too... oops... My senior project was creating an anti-virus scanner, so I'm totally fimiliar with the difference between spyware (allow through) and Trojans (delete). Lucky they did'nt judge spped for the Grade In all reallity, just use ZoneAlarm (the Free one, not paid for version) and it takes care of unwanted connections. Updated Anti virus software does the rest.Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #43 February 23, 2002 Hey anne, ya gonna fill me in on the new name via a PM???marc"...a mind stretched with new idea's will never regain its shape" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonno5 0 #44 February 23, 2002 On a similar topic i keep getting E-Mails on AOL that say 'click here for a bigger penis'....... So far no matter how many i times i click...NOTHING BUGGER ALL.And no matter how many times i complain AOL does nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #45 February 23, 2002 hahaha....I get a spam every once in a while that claims "increase ejaculation by 581%" 581%? Damn..."I'll take Famous Titties for 400..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallinWoman 1 #46 February 23, 2002 QuoteOn a similar topic i keep getting E-Mails on AOL that say 'click here for a bigger penis'....... So far no matter how many i times i click...NOTHING BUGGER ALL.And no matter how many times i complain AOL does nothing.Now don't be sayin stuff like that while I am drinking red wine....it stains the carpet when it comes out the nose!!!!Does anyone else keep getting the "hot farm sex" e-mail? I always think of our little community here when I read that!Anne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
