mountainman 0 #1 March 5, 2002 I am curious on what you guys think about this. I was driving home from student teaching today and I heard on the news that they evacuated a whole terminal because they found a pair of scissors in the terminal. Also, I heard they made a plane en route to Puerto Rico turn around and come back.Are we being TOO cautious and/or scared? Or is all of this necessary for our safety? Chime in here. JumpinDuo.com...come and sign the guestbook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TequilaGirl 0 #2 March 5, 2002 I think they have gone a bit overboard.......When I can drive to the destination of my choice faster than I could fly - we have a problem......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 March 5, 2002 Until they actually have adequate security at the terminals I think it's necessary. The problem right now is that they know security isn't strong enough, so if they find one slight thing amiss, they have to assume they missed something else as well.Once they actually have proper screening of people and packages and can identify the source of threats I think the responses will be more appropriate.It's called Cover Your Asscielos azules y cerveza fría-Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #4 March 5, 2002 PLEASE KEEP A SAFE DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE SISSORS THEY MIGHT PUT YOUR EYE OUT..THAT IS ALLdont let your mind wander.....its to little to be left alone...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TequilaGirl 0 #5 March 5, 2002 Another problem is money - not all airports have the proper equipment......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #6 March 5, 2002 no kiddig if I want to go to Dallas which is about a 4 hr drive and a 45 min flight, I'll drive. Cause you have to park off the airport now so there is 30-45 min, then plan on 2 hrs for security, then the flight 45 min, then since my friend can't meet me at the gate trying to find her 45-60 min. total = 4hrs 30 min Max time. Plus if I drive I can take all the skydiving crap and my dog with Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freefallfreak 0 #7 March 5, 2002 Ahh, a thought!!! Maybe this would be better asked of the people who lost relatives and friends on Sept. 11th. I personally don't care how long it takes to get on a flight...I have all the time in the world, but some people don't. Maybe if we all slow down a little bit, it'll work out...Just a thought, mind you. TripleF"If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,114 #8 March 5, 2002 >Until they actually have adequate security at the terminals I think it's necessary. The problem is defining what is adequate security in the terminals. When I think about how easy it is to smuggle a knife, or a gun, or a bomb that looks exactly like a boom box into a terminal, it amazes me that we went as long as we did without an incident like 9/11.We can easily come up with ways to stop stupid criminals. Smart criminals are a lot tougher to stop. Brilliant criminals are unstoppable. At some point we're going to have to decide our airport security is good enough and call it a day, and hope to stop at least most of the people who would cause trouble.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #9 March 5, 2002 Quoteevacuated a whole terminal because they found a pair of scissorsSomeone must have been running with them.....Seriously....They have to act stupid for another year or so. Without going into too much detail I can tell you that the US Govt is taking great strides to ensure that air passengers are safe. They have this almost rediculous stuff going on right now because they are using "stop Gap" measures to try and keep people safe until the real safety measures get in place. Once the air travel is taken care of there are plans to secure other modes of travel such as busses, trains, and shipping. One day in the not so distant future any "terrorist" that boards almost any form of public transportation with the intent of hijacking it will be taken care of in very short order. This is going to take time....be patient......until then lets try and keep "fake grenades" out of our luggage...."I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #10 March 5, 2002 Yeah, but with current security you could still take everything you need to vilolently take over an aircraft, so they (airport ppl) have really accomplished nothing but scare the hell out of people and become a huge time waste. Stuff like CIA letter openers (if you know what those are), putting small stilloeto blades in the sole of your steel toed boots (see sir, its steel toe boot, that's why they're going off), etc. Remember something very important with all of this: That security guard is making Minimum Wage, that's it, do you think that they are being payed enough to get quality workers or workers that really give a flying fuck? (no pun intended) The problem isn't the amount of security, its the quality of security..."Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #11 March 5, 2002 QuoteThe problem isn't the amount of security, its the quality of security...Dave...it really doesn't matter how much you pay the screeners or what kind of whizzo devices you have. True or false....People are killed every day in High-Maximum security prisons with homemade weapons. Do you really think it's possible to keep every form of weapon of an airplane. I don't...Finally the government realizes this too. They are putting measures in place that will take care of just about any threat imagineable. "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freefallfreak 0 #12 March 5, 2002 Quoteworkers that really give a flying fuck?I have tried this...and failed miserably...can someone teach me? A female, of course...lol.TripleF"If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 7 #13 March 5, 2002 It's dangerous to run with scissors because we never LEARN to run with scissors! That is all.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unisyn 0 #14 March 5, 2002 I absolutely agree that it is ridiculous. Is it just me or doesn't anybody remember how the terrorist took over the airplanes. THEY GOT INTO THE FLIGHT DECK!!!!! No they didn't shot their way in, no they didn't blow their way in with explosives. They forced their way in because the doors were not secured. I recently returned from the Winter Expo in Chicago. On take off on my connecting flight into Daytona the flight deck door CAME OPEN. The flight attendant reached over and held the door to keep it from completely opening. I was SOOOO pissed. At that point, if I had been some crazed terrorist, I could have easily rushed the flight deck from my seat.The real pisser was that the flight deck door appeared to have been recently reinforced to keep people from punching their way in the bottom.I was really inclined to have a word with the pilot in command about the lack of his security check once we landed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #15 March 5, 2002 Clay, if you don't pay enough to get quality workers or workers that atleast care, then they're not going to care. 3 years ago I walked on to a flight with my Spyderco Endura clipped in my pocket. (big nasty looking serrated blade) Not a problem, not even a second glance. Technically, I wasn't supposed to be able to carry that on the plane, I was supposed to check it.Ok, lets say you hire someone to watch your house. Do you want someone who is willing to work for $5 an hour and didn't graduate highschool, or do you want a professional that insists on $10 because he was specially trained to do his job and he takes it seriously?"Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #16 March 5, 2002 Dave....My Dad was an airline pilot for 42 years. I've been going through many an airport since I was little. I once carried a pellet gun in carry on by accident when I was about 10. I didn't go through the security that day. (Good danm thing too) "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #17 March 5, 2002 Quoteto an X-ray machine with AK's in their luggageYou've seen Airplane (the movie), right? Where all of those terrorists walk through with machine guns and stuff and the grandma is stopped and searched? Your post made me think of that. "Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 March 5, 2002 QuoteYou've seen Airplane (the movie), right?That's a favorite at the DZ......"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kmcguffee 0 #19 March 5, 2002 I know the answer. Ejection seats for every passenger and bombay doors down the aisle. You even look like you're thinking of doing something violent and BOING!........see ya! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #20 March 5, 2002 QuoteEjection seats for every passengerCan you imagine the law suits??????"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GrumpySmurf 0 #21 March 5, 2002 QuoteSomeone must have been running with them.....I guess they missed that Gr.3 lesson to point your scissors at the floor when walking with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #22 March 5, 2002 The stupid thing is that I can do just as much damage with a pencil or pen as with some scissors!!! I mean if you really look at it ..anything can be used as a deadly weapon!! Specailly if your jacky chang!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #23 March 5, 2002 Ok, wow, when I first read that, I thought it said "Ejaculation seats" brings a whooole new meaning to business class flying..."Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #24 March 5, 2002 QuoteI thought it said "Ejaculation seats" brings a whooole new meaning to business class flyingThose were the Good Ole Days when all stewardesses were hotties!!! "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #25 March 6, 2002 QuoteThose were the Good Ole Days when all stewardesses were hottiesAhh-hmm....I believe the politically correct term is "flight attendant"...... lets not piss off the hotties.....of coarse half of them are men now...so now what we going to do??jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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freefallfreak 0 #7 March 5, 2002 Ahh, a thought!!! Maybe this would be better asked of the people who lost relatives and friends on Sept. 11th. I personally don't care how long it takes to get on a flight...I have all the time in the world, but some people don't. Maybe if we all slow down a little bit, it'll work out...Just a thought, mind you. TripleF"If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #8 March 5, 2002 >Until they actually have adequate security at the terminals I think it's necessary. The problem is defining what is adequate security in the terminals. When I think about how easy it is to smuggle a knife, or a gun, or a bomb that looks exactly like a boom box into a terminal, it amazes me that we went as long as we did without an incident like 9/11.We can easily come up with ways to stop stupid criminals. Smart criminals are a lot tougher to stop. Brilliant criminals are unstoppable. At some point we're going to have to decide our airport security is good enough and call it a day, and hope to stop at least most of the people who would cause trouble.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #9 March 5, 2002 Quoteevacuated a whole terminal because they found a pair of scissorsSomeone must have been running with them.....Seriously....They have to act stupid for another year or so. Without going into too much detail I can tell you that the US Govt is taking great strides to ensure that air passengers are safe. They have this almost rediculous stuff going on right now because they are using "stop Gap" measures to try and keep people safe until the real safety measures get in place. Once the air travel is taken care of there are plans to secure other modes of travel such as busses, trains, and shipping. One day in the not so distant future any "terrorist" that boards almost any form of public transportation with the intent of hijacking it will be taken care of in very short order. This is going to take time....be patient......until then lets try and keep "fake grenades" out of our luggage...."I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 March 5, 2002 Yeah, but with current security you could still take everything you need to vilolently take over an aircraft, so they (airport ppl) have really accomplished nothing but scare the hell out of people and become a huge time waste. Stuff like CIA letter openers (if you know what those are), putting small stilloeto blades in the sole of your steel toed boots (see sir, its steel toe boot, that's why they're going off), etc. Remember something very important with all of this: That security guard is making Minimum Wage, that's it, do you think that they are being payed enough to get quality workers or workers that really give a flying fuck? (no pun intended) The problem isn't the amount of security, its the quality of security..."Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #11 March 5, 2002 QuoteThe problem isn't the amount of security, its the quality of security...Dave...it really doesn't matter how much you pay the screeners or what kind of whizzo devices you have. True or false....People are killed every day in High-Maximum security prisons with homemade weapons. Do you really think it's possible to keep every form of weapon of an airplane. I don't...Finally the government realizes this too. They are putting measures in place that will take care of just about any threat imagineable. "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #12 March 5, 2002 Quoteworkers that really give a flying fuck?I have tried this...and failed miserably...can someone teach me? A female, of course...lol.TripleF"If you have something vital and it's sincere, you can communicate." Butch Trucks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #13 March 5, 2002 It's dangerous to run with scissors because we never LEARN to run with scissors! That is all.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unisyn 0 #14 March 5, 2002 I absolutely agree that it is ridiculous. Is it just me or doesn't anybody remember how the terrorist took over the airplanes. THEY GOT INTO THE FLIGHT DECK!!!!! No they didn't shot their way in, no they didn't blow their way in with explosives. They forced their way in because the doors were not secured. I recently returned from the Winter Expo in Chicago. On take off on my connecting flight into Daytona the flight deck door CAME OPEN. The flight attendant reached over and held the door to keep it from completely opening. I was SOOOO pissed. At that point, if I had been some crazed terrorist, I could have easily rushed the flight deck from my seat.The real pisser was that the flight deck door appeared to have been recently reinforced to keep people from punching their way in the bottom.I was really inclined to have a word with the pilot in command about the lack of his security check once we landed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 March 5, 2002 Clay, if you don't pay enough to get quality workers or workers that atleast care, then they're not going to care. 3 years ago I walked on to a flight with my Spyderco Endura clipped in my pocket. (big nasty looking serrated blade) Not a problem, not even a second glance. Technically, I wasn't supposed to be able to carry that on the plane, I was supposed to check it.Ok, lets say you hire someone to watch your house. Do you want someone who is willing to work for $5 an hour and didn't graduate highschool, or do you want a professional that insists on $10 because he was specially trained to do his job and he takes it seriously?"Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #16 March 5, 2002 Dave....My Dad was an airline pilot for 42 years. I've been going through many an airport since I was little. I once carried a pellet gun in carry on by accident when I was about 10. I didn't go through the security that day. (Good danm thing too) "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 March 5, 2002 Quoteto an X-ray machine with AK's in their luggageYou've seen Airplane (the movie), right? Where all of those terrorists walk through with machine guns and stuff and the grandma is stopped and searched? Your post made me think of that. "Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #18 March 5, 2002 QuoteYou've seen Airplane (the movie), right?That's a favorite at the DZ......"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #19 March 5, 2002 I know the answer. Ejection seats for every passenger and bombay doors down the aisle. You even look like you're thinking of doing something violent and BOING!........see ya! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 March 5, 2002 QuoteEjection seats for every passengerCan you imagine the law suits??????"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #21 March 5, 2002 QuoteSomeone must have been running with them.....I guess they missed that Gr.3 lesson to point your scissors at the floor when walking with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #22 March 5, 2002 The stupid thing is that I can do just as much damage with a pencil or pen as with some scissors!!! I mean if you really look at it ..anything can be used as a deadly weapon!! Specailly if your jacky chang!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #23 March 5, 2002 Ok, wow, when I first read that, I thought it said "Ejaculation seats" brings a whooole new meaning to business class flying..."Give me one ping and one ping only..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #24 March 5, 2002 QuoteI thought it said "Ejaculation seats" brings a whooole new meaning to business class flyingThose were the Good Ole Days when all stewardesses were hotties!!! "I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #25 March 6, 2002 QuoteThose were the Good Ole Days when all stewardesses were hottiesAhh-hmm....I believe the politically correct term is "flight attendant"...... lets not piss off the hotties.....of coarse half of them are men now...so now what we going to do??jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
