Do you think Americans are still pissed.......

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quade is cool.
I hear he even does camera work.
20 million bathtubs can't be wrong. . .

[Muenkel 0]

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Individuals can be smart, but as a whole, people are stupid.

I like to look at this the other way around...As a whole I think we are pretty smart, just some individuals are stupid.
For example: As a whole, I don't think Gary Condit will win the primary today (God I hope I am right), but some stupid individuals will vote for him.
Skydivers...they're just plain cool!
Chris

[PhillyKev 0]

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I thought this was a free country.

That's free, not anarchist. If there's a drought should everyone be allowed to use all the water they want to wash their cars and fill their pools?

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You are assuming the individuals have some sort of selfish motive.

Selfish adj. - Concerned chiefly or only with oneself
Yes, I'd say that's accurate. Unless you're telling me someone else asked you to drive that behemoth.

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I also travel 21 miles each way to work through mountainous, snowy, icy and muddy terrain...therefore I need my 4 wheel drive.

There are much more fuel efficient 4 wheel drive cars than SUV's. Subaru comes to mind.
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-Kevin

[kmcguffee 0]

No one is claiming that fuel cells will keep the US from ever needing oil again only that it will 'reduce our dependency on foreign oil'. The US produces oil from many sources within the Continental US and off shore. If fuel cells reduce our oil consumption enough then we could quit buying from foreign sources and use only domestic oil supplies if needed. Therefore, the assumption is that an engine that is 2-3 times more efficient than our current internal combustion engine will result in less need for foreign oil sources.

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That's free, not anarchist. If there's a drought should everyone be allowed to use all the water they want to wash their cars and fill their pools?

Very good point here, but aren't we being a little hypocritical. For sport, we go up in airplanes just to jump out of them. How much fuel does this use? How much pollution does this emit?
Yes I could drive a Subaru, but I don't want to. I think they are ugly. I don't like them.
The point is, we live in a free society. Yes, we all make decisions that are maybe stupid or not well-thought out and yes, we need to be more conscious of how our decisions will affect the environment. But don't take that decision away from me!!!!!!
Skydivers...they're just plain cool!
Chris

[SpeedRacer 1]

Man, what's up with these SUV's anyway? When I was a kid we could put Mom, Dad, me & my two brothers in a station wagon. I see people driving to work (alone) in these things that almost look like RVs!! They're fuckin' HUUGE! They oughta give 'em names like The Ford Behemoth 2000 or something!

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Nuclear -- Come on! Now you're just baiting me!

We need to develop practical nuclear fusion generators (no plutonium generated). We should be going after this the way we went after the space race during the sixties when we had the USSR breathing down our necks. This is even more important than putting a man on the moon, so we should be going after this like a madman.
Meanwhile, another way to save energy: reduce urban sprawl. It sucks the way so many AMerican communities are set up, with the houses spread out & far away from the places of commerce & business, so you have to get in a car to accomplish anything. You should be able to walk where you need to go, mostly. Not only would we save fuel, maybe so many Americans wouldn't be such obese slobs dying of heart attacks all the time if theyd lift their fat asses out of the car seat every once in a while & walked on their own two feet as God intended.
well I seemed to have wandered from the topic a bit.. and as long as I'm doing that, well,....BOOBIES!!
Speed Racer
"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!"

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Not only would we save fuel, maybe so many Americans wouldn't be such obese slobs dying of heart attacks all the time if theyd lift their fat asses out of the car seat every once in a while & walked on their own two feet as God intended.

Yeah! Fat Bastards!

[SpeedRacer 1]

"AHHM DEEEEAAAD SEXY!!"
Speed Racer
"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!"

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Very good point here, but aren't we being a little hypocritical. For sport, we go up in airplanes just to jump out of them. How much fuel does this use? How much pollution does this emit?

No, different subject. Yes, if I was radical about the environment to the entire detriment of everything I enjoy than that would be true. But you're mixing two things by driving that big boat. One is for pleasure and is done on occasion. The other is a necessity and your primary means of transportation. For the price of that fancy SUV you could easily afford a nice, flashy, non 4 wheel drive, fuel efficient car for most of your trips to work, grocery store, etc., and a used jeep for when it's needed or when you wanted to go do donuts in the snow.
I like having a sporty car that can go fast when I want it to. I actually considered buying a corvette, but thought of the impracticallity of that. So I got a Toyota Celica instead, and take the train to work anyway. IMO an SUV is just as impractical as a Corvette. Way too much automobile for its intended purpose. Maybe someday I'll buy one to drive on the weekends, but I'd never make one my daily driver.
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-Kevin

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Isn't CAFE due to go into effect sometime in the near future that forces each auto manufacturer to maintain a minimum average fuel efficiency across all auto sales? I heard this in passing in reference to the Porsche Cayenne due out in the next year or so (a Porsche SUV) - which could expected to have an efficiency of 15/19 or so - the comment about CAFE was to the effect that PCNA (Porsche Cars of North America) was going to have sell a huge number of Boxsters (with a 21/27 fuel rating) to maintain the CAFE standards to allow further sales of Cayennes. Or did this law also get shot down by Washington with the new Admin - personally - I would love to see the SUVs off the road - it's like a mini-van for insecure people, and they try to drive it like a sports car.

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No, different subject. Yes, if I was radical about the environment to the entire detriment of everything I enjoy than that would be true. But you're mixing two things by driving that big boat. One is for pleasure and is done on occasion. The other is a necessity and your primary means of transportation. For the price of that fancy SUV you could easily afford a nice, flashy, non 4 wheel drive, fuel efficient car for most of your trips to work, grocery store, etc., and a used jeep for when it's needed or when you wanted to go do donuts in the snow.

You know I don't totally disagree with you. However, I do think I need my 4 wheel drive for the conditions I drive in 6 months of the year. As for the comforts, true I do not need them, but I enjoy them.
How about the home you live in? Is it completely practical or do you have some luxuries in there you could do without?
BTW you're missing out not having the corvette...they're smokin!
Skydivers...they're just plain cool!
Chris

[kmcguffee 0]

Don't know for sure, but I think that was shot down in favor of pushing fuel cell technology.

[GrumpySmurf 0]

Vette owners - sons of the anti-Christ

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I would love to see the SUVs off the road - it's like a mini-van for insecure people, and they try to drive it like a sports car.

Who are "they" that you are talking about. You've met everyone who drives an SUV? Think about your statement here, it sounds pretty ignorant.
Skydivers...they're just plain cool!
Chris

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However, I do think I need my 4 wheel drive for the conditions I drive in 6 months of the year.

Well if that's the case, then you're one of the few people who truly should drive an SUV. Most of my hostility about them is reflected in the post above about people driving them as sports cars.
It pisses me off when some jack ass in an Expedition decides to ride my 2200 lb. ass (my car, not my literal ass) when I'm already 15 over the speed limit. Or some stuckup trophy wife with fake tits, fake face, and fake blonde hair is putting around the city circling endlessly because there's not a damn parking spot within 20miles that will fit it. Of course my opinion will change when I find my trophy wife and buy her an SUV of course.
Yes, I definitely am not a bohemian, I like my comforts. And although I'm not a greenpeace radical, I do factor effects on the environment in a lot of my decisions that would be related to it.
I'm also living in a one bedroom apartment. Because I'm one person and that's all I need. I could afford a 4 bedroom house in the burbs, but what's the point? That's my other pet peeve besides SUV's. People buying massive, shittily constructed, sprawling homes on a 1/4 acre of land with 2 people living in it.
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-Kevin

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The citizens in our country don't seem to be making any of the decisions.

this is because we live in a Republic and not a democracy....
marc
BSBD

[MarkM 0]

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Who are "they" that you are talking about.

C'mon dude, haven't you ever watched the X-Files?

[kmcguffee 0]

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Who are "they" that you are talking about

You know, Bob, Tom, Ben, and Jill.

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The citizens in our country don't seem to be making any of the decisions.

I make decisions all of the time...........just......noboy listens to me anymore.[sad]

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It pisses me off when some jack ass in an Expedition decides to ride my 2200 lb. ass (my car, not my literal ass) when I'm already 15 over the speed limit. Or some stuckup trophy wife with fake tits, fake face, and fake blonde hair is putting around the city circling endlessly because there's not a damn parking spot within 20miles that will fit it. Of course my opinion will change when I find my trophy wife and buy her an SUV of course.

This paragraph cracked me up. I am originally from Long Island and now live in New England. I go back to "the Island" and I can't believe how many of these ladies are driving around in SUV's! I think "the island" gets about 4 inches of snow per year! But there they are tooling around, with their big hair, and big fake titties.
Anyway, I am leaving for the night and while I am driving my big mutha SUV, if I get stuck behind some piece of shit VW bus, I plan to pass that fucker up on two wheels if I have to because I do not want to suck in his oil burning exhaust! And when I get home I will click my garage door opener and park my big mutha SUV in my heated garage.
Skydivers...they're just plain cool!
Chris

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It pisses me off when some jack ass in an Expedition decides to ride my 2200 lb. ass (my car, not my literal ass) when I'm already 15 over the speed limit

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE LEFT LANE JACKASS!!!!!!!!!!
"I only have a C license, so I don't know shit..right?"-Clay

[GrumpySmurf 0]

NO!
Stay in the left lane - it's even more fun to pass them on the right, then cut them off Ironicly, since my heap does not take well to snowy roads (actually it doesn't take well to damp roads either) - got a ride from one of the guys from Madison, Wi to SDC in the middle of the snow storm Saturday morn in his Audi A4 - you wouldn't believe the number of SUVs in the ditch *evil laughter*

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That's what pisses me off about it. I'm very conscious of not hanging out in the left lane. I pass and get back over. But some of these jackasses *cough clay cough* will ride your ass in their brake impaired monsters even though you're behind a long line of traffic and they aren't going anywhere anyway.
I've actually locked my brakes up when someone was riding my ass and they slammed into me. It was one of the trophy wives I was describing above. After tapping my brake lights a few times, then resorting to flip her off she was still riding my ass. So I slowed it down to 15 gave her one more chance to back off and then stood on the brake. She slammed right into the back. Didn't damage my car but cracked her bumper.
I get out and say, "Did you see that cat that ran in front of my car? Guess you shouldn't have been riding my ass like that"
The dumb bitch has the nerve to say, "I was driving at a safe distance, I'm calling the police."
My response, "Please do, you hit me. If you were following at a safe distance you should have been able to stop in time."
She decided not to call the police.
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-Kevin

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Hahaha...That's one of the reasons I'm welding a huge-ass Front end replacement for my truck this summera and a heavy-duty rear-bumper (like what Rand Hand makes). For traffic. Well, and for towing and stuff, but mainly traffic.
People have valid reasons for wanting an SUV. Besides a Volvo, whats some of the safest things you can drive in America today? It sure as hell isn't that Honda Hybrid car, I'll tell you that. That's one of the reasons I drive a big truck, I'm safer in that truck then I was in my '73 Super Beetle, that's for damn sure. Also, I find myself in situations where I use my 4-wheel drive (Malachi, don't say a word, I'm not talking about *those* situations, I'm talking about when I've acutally needed it...). And times like this past fall, when I had a 6'x12' U-haul trailer behind me, loaded to the brim, I was really glad I had my big truck with the big V-8 in it. Although, I do have to admit, when I get my gas bill at the end of the month, I don't necissarily like it...Just because someone drives a big vehical, it doesn't mean they're the stereotypical Yuppy. "Give me one ping and one ping only..."

[SpeedRacer 1]

So SUV's are safe??!! Doesn't SUV stand for "Suddenly Upside-down Vehicle"???
Speed Racer
"Fill your hand, you son-of-a-bitch!"

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So SUV's are safe??!! Doesn't SUV stand for "Suddenly Upside-down Vehicle"???

You can flip anything if you wanted to, its about the driver. "Gee, my tire just blew on my Ford Explorer, I better react quickly so nothing happens..."*yank* and they flip...people are stupid, so stupid things happen to them. Look at the pics of the Viper that was posted yesterday.
Due to their mass, SUVs are a hell of a lot safer then most of the cars out there right now, and since SUVs are out there and their bumpers are higher then most cars bumpers, I'd rather be in a SUV in a wreck then a car in a wreck with a SUV. How many Big-Rig drivers do you see seriously injured from getting in a wreck with a car, etc. See my logic?
"Give me one ping and one ping only..."