Beachbum 0 #26 March 13, 2002 I'm JUST starting into a project using MySQL ... and if you can believe the info they provide on their site ... it will handle pretty large #'s and heavy traffic. And the registration for commercial app use is only $200/server if I remember correctly ... As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #27 March 13, 2002 QuoteAt least it gives you a message and you don't have to reboot the whole boxOh don't get me wrong, Linux recovers from rogue software far more gracefully than any Windoze boxen can. And for those of you thinking of upgrading your office boxes to XP? Don't. There's only one word to describe XP from a sysad's perpective.... PAIN.All that M$ marketing that goes on & on about how much easier and convenient Windoze will make yours and your sysad's lives? Lies. All lies."Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #28 March 13, 2002 See... I've having just the oppisite situation. I am intergrating XP into my entire network just fine. With AD and a few good policies, the machines are a dream to install and maintain. They are more cryptic in the errors then 2000 but way less then Linux. I'm only pushing XP out remotly to 200 PC's so its a small project, but 150 into it.... its smooth sailing. You just have to learn to play by MS's install rules, set good policies, and the systems are seeming to be totally cool. I've only got to help manage 1800 PC's in my city so its not that big of a LAN, but over all the support we get from MS is WAY better then our Sun/Tandem/Bay reps treats us.Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #29 March 13, 2002 Yeah...I agree with Phree. I'm no big fan of Microsoft and some of the shitware that they release, but I've been pretty pleased overall with XP. Yes, it has security holes out the wazoo like every other MS product. But for use as desktop OS for a small office, it makes my life a lot easier. Administration is streamlined, patching and upgrading is easier, and the Fisher Price look to the desktop is great for the clueless users. After upgrading I did notice some weird crashes and hangs on a couple machines, but I traced that to IE6, not XP.cielos azules y cerveza fría-Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #30 March 13, 2002 Hrm. Then maybe it's because I'm using XP as a development station and installing all sorts of weird stuff on it. Win 2K seemed the best-behaved, from a developer's perspective, of any Windoze system."Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #31 March 13, 2002 If I'm remembering correctly.... this site is running on Linux and MySQL. Sangiro can you confirm??Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #32 March 13, 2002 Quoteinstalling all sorts of weird stuff on it.See.... there is your problem. Is the software Microsoft certified? If not then its not really the OS's fault that some people don't write good software. Most *nix people are so used to using fully operable software that they really don't realize that most the software that runs on Microsoft platforms is not optimized for the OS. In fact most is so poorly written that its amazing that it will even run... Jast another rant..... Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #33 March 13, 2002 QuoteIs the software Microsoft certified?I doubt it. We avoid M$ software whenever we can. Oracle databases, Java & Domino. Few other things.Of course everything out of Redmond runs just dandy... the apps and OS are made by the same company, and they really have no interest in allowing (and in my Oliver Stone-ish thinking, they probably make it as difficult as humanly possible) non-M$ software to play nice on their systems. Anyone remember Real Audio? How 'bout DR. DOS and Win 3.x? Feltin's IE uninstaller? The "competetor's" software wasn't crap. M$ intentionally broke functionality.So shame on me for leaving the Redmond fold. How dare I even consider running software that doesn't emanate from Redmond's hallowed halls. I deserve everything I get. If I just went back to being a good little slave, everything would be all right.Now you were saying Phree? "Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #34 March 13, 2002 QuoteUmmm.....Linux has been around quite awhile and due to open source has everyone and their grandmother trying to hack and break it anyway they can. Ummm no shit sherlock, I was refering to the database. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #35 March 13, 2002 PS... Oracle, Domino and other major software like that is MS Certified.... Its the little screensaver program that has pictures of cute animals and the like that is the majority of business problems with MS.Look at Redhat.... they are bundling more software then what MS is and no one is screaming at them for bundling non OS componets into the OS release Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #36 March 13, 2002 Quotebut mostly the Netra line of T1sDid somebody say Netra? Chicks dig Netras (see attached). Now follow this link.--BrianHomepageAIM: suprmath Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #37 March 13, 2002 QuoteIts the little screensaver program that has pictures of cute animals and the like that is the majority of business problems with MS.Nope. No cutesy screensavers for me. Just a whole bucha IDEs, middleware installations, networking software, databases. Oh yeah, and Office XP. QuoteLook at Redhat.... they are bundling more software then what MS is and no one is screaming at them for bundling non OS componets into the OS releaseWellllll.... that's a little different on two counts. One, RedHat manufactures neither Linux nor the components that they bundle. RedHat, like Mandrake, etc. is merely a distribution. They go out and collect all the (free) software that other folks are making, do a gazillion installs until they have a version that seems to have enerything playing nice. Then they package it up and sell it.And the bundled Office suites (other than KOffice), server software and development tools are trial versions or crippleware. You still have to go to the manufacturer and buy a license if you plan on using it.Usually the only things actually coded by Linux distributors are the nice user-friendly installer programs and system maintenence utilities. Other than that, they mainly just collect stuff and try to get everything to work together so you don't have to."Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #38 March 13, 2002 I need a chick that digs Netra's, skydives and can PROPERLY drive a 5 speed with a short throw.... yeah.. then life would be good...Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #39 March 13, 2002 Opps.... you said your problem right there... Office XP... I feel no sympthy for those that are running Office XP on a Non-SP1 XP Machine...... Oh yeah... SP1 is still 3 months out last count.Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #40 March 13, 2002 QuoteI feel no sympthy for those that are running Office XP on a Non-SP1 XP Machine...... Oh yeah... SP1 is still 3 months out last countArrroooo????K I musta missed that one on Slashdot. What's the deal with Office XP and WinXP?"Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #41 March 13, 2002 Yeah... its kinda like a known, but unreported problem... We've had issues at my work, 3 of my friends who are admins in town have had similar issues... all untraceable, but when the ONLY thing installed other then XP is Office..... well simple to trouble shoot...Go from Office XP to Office 2000 and it greatly increases the stability. Office XP on 2000 is fine... weird huh?Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #42 March 13, 2002 Quotedrive a 5 speed with a short throwYou mean like my mustang GT.......It's not how many gears it has, it's how you use them.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #43 March 13, 2002 Ahhhhh....drool...... drooll.....droolIf Pookiebear gets tired of ya... let me know!Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #44 March 13, 2002 QuoteNow follow this link.Ok most of those were really funny, and I can so relate on those late night pager calls when you have had 6 cups of coffee and other than that odd buzzing sound in your head that doesn't go away even when you leave the server room everything is in a fog. But some of those were like watching a train wreck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xybe 0 #45 March 13, 2002 Don't mod me down, lpleez I am a karma whore!I knew it, dz.com is the ./ of skydiving!So, how abour a chick that can pronounce the word "router", be able to complile her Linux kernel and also be willing to pack your main for you?Still shedding whuffo-nessCheck out the Hardcore Whuffo pages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #46 March 13, 2002 If a chick can do all that, she doesn't have to pack anyones main including her own...the geek boys are lined up to pack it for her Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scratch 0 #47 March 13, 2002 Julle praat almal somer 'n groot pot kak.Geeeeks!!!!! Geeeeeks!!!!........OMG..... run Forrest run................<> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #48 March 13, 2002 QuoteLike was said here, ya gets what ya pay for. The risk with 'freeware' is that the developer could, on whim, up and change the ICD (Interface Control Doc) that outlines how the bloody thing will interface with the user and non-volitile storage - making any data gathered (your saved files) to that point useless.Yeah, commercial companies like Microsoft never do anything like this.QuotePlus there is the customer support issue. Part of that purchase price allows you to call in for help when the thing blows up and eats all your data at 2PM on some idle Tuesday.There are full support contracts available for Linux, MySQL and Postgres.QuoteThen of course there are updates/bug fixes, since the developer doesn't gather any revenue from your purchase (or support contract) there is nothing to inspire them to fix any bugs or finish any missing features.Some of the higher end support contracts for MySQL also allow for customization. You want a feature, tell them and they'll code it in. Everyone's been bitching at MS to make Windows more secure and stable for the last 8 years, but they really haven't done a good job of that despite customers shelling out a few billion a year.The "you get what you pay for" concept just hasn't held up in the software industry. Software runs on hubris as much as cashflow. I've worked with what you call 'freeware'(which in actuality is software licensed under the GPL) for about 10 years running now. The quality is up to anything commercial and the customer support is generally better, unless you're a non-technical person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrumpySmurf 0 #49 March 13, 2002 Yeah but Microsloth isn't a real software company - they're the result of good marketing I live in the land of VxWorks and Sol 2.6/8 for the most part with NT 4.0 to compile VxWorks images and websurf - but as to getting good support for paid product - I have had no problem with embedded software/hardware vendors be it WindRiver, Trillium, DCL, Agere, Mot, Lucent, etc - the product MUST work 99.9998% of the time or it's considered useless. Of course the flipside is, my software must work 99.9998% of the time or it, too, is considered useless - having a switch card crash while routing a call to 911 or the Air Traffic Control network at ORD drop offline during a thunderstorm would be bad, very, VERY BAD . So I guess I live in a protected world where a 50K service contract is considered a nessesity to getting the job done and have a slanted view that anything 'free' is to be looked upon with upmost fear, example: everyone thinks Linux is a cool idea for telecom host (Layer 3) controllers and up, but no one wants to take the plunge.Kind of off topic - anyone else notice the quality of off the shelf software has gone down the tubes since the popularization of the Internet - almost like vendors assume you have a defacto connection, so you can download needed patches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #50 March 13, 2002 99.9998 !!!???!!!considering no one in the telco world talks about more then 5 nines, I'd be impressed with that..... you're sure about it?Remi, the telco salesman....RemsterMuff 914 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
