diverdriver 7 #1 March 24, 2002 This is a link to the NTSB preliminary report on the collision of a Golden Knights Pilatus Porter and Cessna 182 jump plane.File LinkChris SchindlerATP/CFIID-19012www.DiverDriver.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #2 March 24, 2002 Thank you Diver.BIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #3 March 25, 2002 That was quick.Thanks Chris._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com AIM: andrewdmetcalfeYahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #4 March 25, 2002 Thanks Chris. Wow.____________________________________________LightDiverCam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #5 March 25, 2002 QuoteThat was quick.Everyone should remember that this is PRELIMINARY report. Things could be changed by the time the final report comes out. As far as preliminary reports go, this is a VERY detailed report. It will take at least a year before the final report is released with a "cause".Andy, this wasn't directed at you. Just thought I'd add in some more info.Chris SchindlerATP/CFIID-19012www.DiverDriver.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallin14 0 #6 March 25, 2002 Chris,Doesn't it sound like the Porter made an inaccurate call on the radio? How could he be entering a downwind at over 2000agl? Either that or he was flying a very non-standard pattern. Unless the airport at Eloy has different procedures?Bret Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #7 March 25, 2002 Quotehe was flying a very non-standard patternya think?marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #8 March 25, 2002 Remember, this is a preliminary report. I don't want to do a lot of speculating here. But that would be one of the questions I would have. When entering the traffic pattern a jump plane should enter at pattern altitude. That is why I usually entered the pattern on the base leg. It allowed for a wide pattern to look for traffic also in the pattern.The other question is why was the Cessna climbing on the traffic pattern side of the airport? You know there is a Porter above you that is capable of rapid descents. You know that he will want the shortest distance from drop to pattern entry. Was this the standard practice to climb and descend on the same side of the airport? Someone was definitely out of position. If you run more than one aircraft at a time over an airport there should be designated climb and descent areas and there should be two radios on board each aircraft so that they can talk on a seperate company frequency to ensure seperation.There are a lot of questions that will be answered as the accident is studied.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #9 March 25, 2002 Quote Unless the airport at Eloy has different procedures?get the facts straight...this did NOT happen at Eloy...marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #10 March 25, 2002 Marc, instead of jumping Bret, just point out where it happened. Bret is a pilot too so he'd probally understand things better if he had more details. Bret, it occured at Manara in Southern AZ. Littler DZ then Eloy that is frequently used with the military too. IE the Osprey crash there in 2000.....I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend... ~3EB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #11 March 25, 2002 Sorry Phree, but it's "Marana" not "Manara", AZ. Details. Details. Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 March 25, 2002 Damn, me trying to type when the boss was'nt looking.... I wish you would step back from that ledge my friend... ~3EB Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #13 March 25, 2002 <<Doesn't it sound like the Porter made an inaccurate call on the radio? How could he be entering a downwindat over 2000agl? Either that or he was flying a very non-standard pattern. Unless the airport at Eloy hasdifferent procedures?Bret>>>AFIACT, Marana has a standard left hand pattern for runway 12.This would seem to be a poster child for observing pattern procedures as laid out in the AIM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #14 March 25, 2002 John, what does AFIACT mean?Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #15 March 25, 2002 >>>John, what does AFIACT mean?Chris<<<It means I can't spell AFAICT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #16 March 25, 2002 Ok, so what does AFAICT mean? Really, I don't know what this is.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #17 March 25, 2002 AFAICT it means "As Far As I Can Tell" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #18 March 25, 2002 Oh, thanks.Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
