diverds 0 #26 March 26, 2002 Quote it's _my_ opinion that querying peoples profiles for their jump #'s, and having that value come up on each post would be a good idea.Nice idea except that there is nothing to stop someone from lying about their experience level on their profile. I'm not suggesting that it happens very often but I recently saw a profile that was the biggest crock I have ever read. I know the person in question and he has no ratings and maybe 300 jumps, but on his profile he has by some magic become a tandem instructor, aff instructor and added about 1500 jumps to his logbook. Bottom line, this is a great place to share information, but use your head when reading posts from people you don't know. There is no web based replacement for the instructors and other experienced people right at your own "real life" dropzone. If you have a serious question, ask one of them as well.-Dave"Gas...Undercarriage...Mixture...Prop...Beer" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #27 March 26, 2002 Quote It was a very humbling experience, to realize that what you thought you were good at is actually about .5% of what skydiving is all about.That is very profound and has got me thinking. I believe at the end of the day skydiving is a sport that you should do for yourself and do for the right reasons. Whether that means making 5 jumps a month or 30, it is about getting what YOU want out of the sport in as safe a manner as possible. Who you choose to learn from and take advice from is up to you.Will"Don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChromeBoy 0 #28 March 26, 2002 IFLYMe..I am going to give you some expert advice. Your little dude in the picture needs to arch more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #29 March 26, 2002 Quote Eventually you will hit a wall and realize you suck.Diet Coke spewing EVERYWHERE!Stop that!This hits home pretty well. Last Thursday, for me, was a total disaster -- new team, new exit count, new asses to watch on exit and BOOM proof of just how much I can suck. Damn near thought I forgot how to skydive at all.Those videos from the first day ain't gonna be playing in the bar.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #30 March 26, 2002 I stay away from the more serious forums and just hang in the talk back forum. I think the best source of safety info should be done at the DZ from people you can actually see have experience. Unless it's a famous Skymonkey or a Skybytch with 15 years in the sport and 6 years selling gear. Jump numbers don't mean much and Instructional ratings sometimes don't mean much either. I'm a perfect example of that. I am not the best flier in the world nor the best teacher but I have decent people skills and can make people relax. Probably how I got my ratings. So you won't find me offering advice unless directly asked. Use your own judgement when listening to others.In these forums it may seem that most people are ahead of them selves but we are for the most part just talking. And talk is cheap. I bet most of us are more conservative in real life than we appear on these forums...........Anywho........Have a good day I come to the DZ with a Newbie attitude and learn something new everyday. From Newbies, Veterans, and myself...............SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #31 March 26, 2002 Ok I'm going to say this.......if you have 200 jumps and a "C" license.......trust me you are not an expert. If you have 300 jumps and a "D" license......I promise you are NOT a master skydiver. All those say is that you have aquired a few skills and have good r. memory.Truth of the matter is alot of folks are spewing stuff that they don't know s*%$ about. At best they know Jack s*%$.I've read many posts here, and truly I have learned a great deal and value many of the opinions. When people such as billv,diverdriver,hooknswoop & quade post.....I'm going to pay attention because I know that they have the experience to back up what they are saying. I respect their knowledge, and can only hope one day know 1/4 of what they do. So if you are out there with a couple of hundred jumps.....perhaps tempering the ego is warranted, a little patience practiced, so that truly you can become the best that you can be......There are lots of times I suck too@quade....it's called a reality check!Cheers!BIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #32 March 26, 2002 Quote And this may sound stupid but sometimes I feel that we have a little more enthusiasm for answering the newbie questions that get asked a million and one times. I feel exactly the same way. A while back, someone in the forums told a story in which his shirt was flopping up around his handles in freefall, and how he'd been worried that, in the event of an emergency, he wouldn't have been able to perform his procedures.Well. As it happens, I had done my first jump in a floppy shirt just a couple of weeks before that, and I'd been treated to a nice, loooong lecture by experienced jumpers on dealing with material covering your handles in freefall. So I passed along the information, which I felt was pretty useful. No one else had addressed that part of his post, which was actually an aside in a longer story. I've been a watcher and a listener in this sport, and I may have picked up a nugget or two that might help my fellow low-timers. So I'll sure pass that on. But I do agree that there are folks who think they know a lot more than they do. Luckily, there's a large population of wrathful posters here who will generally challenge bad advice. We've got a good system of checks and balances around here.No, it's not updated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #33 March 26, 2002 Quote IFLYMe..I am going to give you some expert advice. Your little dude in the picture needs to arch more. Bwahaahaahaa!!! ... well I am pretty flat - I need to think about it to really arch (poor flexibility - never got my back to bendable after back surgery about 9 years ago -- I'LL WORK ON IT!!!)...I found it interesting in "another thread" that people were characterized as "experienced" with 100 / 200 jumps... not in my book! Of course, I'm no expert..."There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #34 March 26, 2002 I have [Dr. Evil Voice] One Million Skydives [/Dr. Evil Voice]And I still suck..................SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #35 March 26, 2002 Quote And I still suck.........BUT do you swallow?Grew up way to fast, now there's nothing to believe, and reruns all become a history.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jfields 0 #36 March 26, 2002 Quote I have [Dr. Evil Voice] One Million Skydives [/Dr. Evil Voice]Oh yeah? I have [Carl Sagan Voice] Billions and Billions [/Carl Sagan Voice] of skydives. Seriously, I have 60-some and don't know shit. When I give advice (rarely), it is mostly like in the form of recommending that someone find someone more knowledgeable to ask when they are spouting obvious crap.For example, when I hear someone with less jumps than me talk about trying hook turns, even I know enough to tell them that they might want to have a chat with an intructor, DZO or very experienced jumper before trying it.Also, even though I don't have many jumps, I spend a lot of time reading and discussing skydiving. If nothing else, that has helped me sort the practical possibilities from the obvious BS. If I steer someone else to a bit of pertinent information, I don't see that as harmful. If anything, I always err toward the side of recommending conservatism and second opinions.I have to do something online besides whine about Clay, Skreamer, and Remster. Justin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkySurfSnow 0 #37 March 26, 2002 http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1677_2124798I've got so much to learn...it's going to be great fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #38 March 26, 2002 Ummmmm... Skydiving is cool... And boobies are cool I will always be a student of the sport. I am but an embryo Semper Fi ..... http:// www.aahit.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverds 0 #39 March 26, 2002 Nice pic.-Dave"Gas...Undercarriage...Mixture...Prop...Beer" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magistr8 0 #40 March 26, 2002 good quote. And I don't know how many people around the office have follwed up on line 2 of that pic.Who ever said comming down from a high was bad obviously never tried this.Magistr8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #41 March 26, 2002 Yesterday, I managed to get 3 jumps in and each time on the aircraft I was seated next to the same AFF student (I know what are the chances right?). I always try to say something really encouraging to students becuase I feel it important that they know we are in their corner and wanting them to succeed. I remember how insignificant I felt as a student when in an aircraft with a troop of seasond jumpers. At the end of the day, the student came up to me and said two things! "That last exit you did was phenomenal!" and "Thank you for your encouragement, it helped me to relax alot". I smiled, told her that she was welcome and that I had so much to learn, and someday I hoped to be as good as her instructor. That said, which do you suppose made me feel better......the praise or the thank-you?It only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #42 March 26, 2002 I obviously have no experience what so ever. I openly advertise that I only have 145 jumps. Hell....for the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would ever listen to me. "I have 145 jumps so I don't even know how to pull yet."-Clay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverds 0 #43 March 26, 2002 We don't...:)-Dave"Gas...Undercarriage...Mixture...Prop...Beer" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #44 March 26, 2002 I doI listen to everyone...................Even Clay...............Love ya man...........I love everyone........guess thats kinda what hippy tree huggers do..........j/kLighten up relax and breathe deeeeeep!!!SEBAZZ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #45 March 26, 2002 Ouch! :P~~~~~~~~~~~~`It only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #46 March 26, 2002 Tree hugger with listening skills? Sebazz are you sure you're not from Oregon? LOLIt only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #47 March 26, 2002 I like the "glorious storries what you've learned in just 50 jumps" Quote I don't want to offend anyone but I think if beginners are reading this articles they might get a wrong impression how long it takes to learn this sport properly. I don't think this is a daredevil-forum and I'm just a jumper who wants to have fun without unnecessary risk.Just because you know more than a newbie, doesn't mean the newbie is stupid and knows nothing. They're at least smarter than you give them credit for. The first time someone gets hurt because they said "Hey y'all! Watch this, I read about it that internet!" then I'll retract the previous statement.Jumping out of a plane is an unnecessary risk. So you're jumping against your will? There's a vacant sign that's hanging highBut at least you're not alone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #48 March 26, 2002 in response too:"new asses to watch " does Joey need to know about you watching Jamie's ass so close? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #49 March 26, 2002 back when I had about 200 jumps, a very experienced packer said to me... "200 jumps, eh? that's a good number -- enough jumps to have some knowledge and not be to dangerous in the air, and not to many jumps to think you know everything and become dangerous in the air" that's kind of stayed with me, I don't take anything for granted, check everything before exit and try not to think of my myself invincible, cause Im not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #50 March 26, 2002 I recall reading an article on dz.com a while back where a member of one of the USA's top RW teams (can't remember his name) said he felt the most dangerous skydivers were the ones with between 100 and 500 jumps... That's me!!! I'll be careful up there..."There's nothing new under the sun" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
